They already have an answer for that. Apparently, Cristiano doesn't really want to be league topscorer, he was saving himself for Juves CL assault (that went well). Leo on the other hand will win his 6th Golden shoe, more than anyone in history. He'll likely also be the oldest winner in at least the last 30 years.
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They already have an answer for that. Apparently, Cristiano doesn't really want to be league topscorer, he was saving himself for Juves CL assault (that went well). Leo on the other hand will win his 6th Golden shoe, more than anyone in history. He'll likely also be the oldest winner in at least the last 30 years.
Ronaldo was heroic against Atletico but Messi has quite easily outperformed him in the CL overall.
If you look at goals, Messi has a goal every 66 minutes and Ronaldo has one every 126.. nearly double. Without goals, there really isn't an argument that Ronaldo performs better than Messi.
In their respective league campaigns, not even the most ardent Ronaldo fans will say Ronaldo has been better.
Put a cork in this thread until next season. Messi's won this one.
You must of missed Roanldos goal vs United then.
I agree though for the first time since probably 2014 Messi has had a better year then Ronaldo. Good on him for that.
Wait until the goalposts move again.
Exactly there really was nothing else he could have done. If you half have a brain you can see how average this Juve team has been and its not because of yesterday many people have said it since the group stage including me.
Well the difference is the times Messi got knocked out he did feck all that's why the word "choker" was used. To your point Ronaldo scored 5 goals in 4 games you would have to be quite daft to use the same argument on him.
Nonetheless its the first time Messi and there fans have had one over Ronaldo since circa 2014 so I understand the excitement. The best player to ever play in the competition is eliminated so now it is Messi chance to finally win it again.
Agree. There’s really nothing else Ronaldo could’ve done in that situation.
Messi on the the other hand...
ya I mean he really showed that the last 3 years....oh wait...
It's like people suddenly realize football is a fecking teamsport and sometimes a good player can do well and still feck up due to his team being outplayed, and sometimes he can do feck all, but his team bails him out by winning anyway.
This thread is such an amazing case study in being a shite debater. If Ronaldo winning a final without scoring or doin anything of note counts in his favour, then Ronaldo losing even though he scored counts just as much.
What else could he have done? Not being man handled by a 19 year old for nearly 180 minutes.
This thread is such an amazing case study in being a shite debater. If Ronaldo winning a final without scoring or doin anything of note counts in his favour, then Ronaldo losing even though he scored counts just as much.
What else could he have done? Not being man handled by a 19 year old for nearly 180 minutes.
If you measure performances in goals that's true. Never did, never will.
Even without goals he did feck all in Rome though so?
Of course it counts he lost and thats the end of. Ajax were fantastic and the better team won.
I love how Ronaldo fans inadvertently highlight their boy’s deficiencies when they defend him.
“He scored two headers over 180 minutes where he was otherwise totally anonymous. What more could he have done???”
“He scored two headers over 180 minutes where he was otherwise totally anonymous. What more could he have done???”
They were completely outplayed in 180 minutes. Had about 3 shots on target in 2 games. The ball barely moved up the middle of the park?
I gave Messi his credit he has been for sure the best player this year.
When saying what more could he have done watch the game and you will see what I mean.
If he was able to control football matches and consistently provide killer passes for teammates then maybe, just maybe, Juventus might have had enough opportunities to win the tie.
Oh I see Messi did that vs Roma then? no? didn't think so.
Wait maybe it was in the World Cup?no? didn't think so.
Wait no it must have been vs Chile in the final? no? dam I really thought that was the one.
or wait maybe was it...should I keep going?
I am all for a good debate but don't say nonsense.
Comparing Messi’s bad games where he has almost no impact on the general gameplay to the typical Ronaldo performance where he has almost no impact on the general gameplay is an interesting strategy.
Even in such games he usually has two or three killer passes and dribbles and gets fouled a lot. It was a bad game by his standards, yes, but not nearly as anonymous as Ronaldo tends to be when he doesn't score. And we are talking about possibly Messi's worst CL performance ever..
Yes yes the "no impact" Ronaldo that won 3 straight CL titles and basically knocked out Atletico on his own.
Or wait is it the 'No impact" Ronaldo that has double the knockout goals Messi has.
Like I said I am all for a debate but when you Ronaldo has no impact in a game you are either blind or maybe football just is not the sport for you.
"a typical Ronaldo performance he has no impact on a game" (pretty much what you said) has got to be one of the most idiotic things I have ever read ever.
They are just as anonymous when they dont score. I can easily argue that. Lots of times even in Ronaldos bad performances he still scores.
Nonetheless the notion that one is so "easily" better then the other is retarded. If that was the case this would not be a debate and they would not be on each others arses there whole careers.
In a 1-10 scale rating if one is a 10 the other is a 9.8 and thats for whatever side you choose it is that close and if you ( I dont mean you I mean everyone in general) cant see that then this debate makes no sense at all.
Well, it's true, but don't forget that Atletico and Ajax are considerably better teams than Lyon and Manchester United.
Well, having seen countless games of both I can't see what you find so obvious. The margin is considerably bigger IMO, so I guess this debate doesn't make sense then.
Nah, honestly Ronaldo did his job. It's just a teamsport...
“Considerably bigger” yet Ronaldo has more of an argument to being the best player of his generation then Messi.
Maybe by your criteria but not by mine. IMO Ronaldo can only compete with him if you weigh quite specific criteria extremely highly.
Or if you rate important criteria low. Like mentality big game player being “clutch”.
Football ain’t just based on talent alone because if it was Players like Ben Arfa would be playing in Madrid right now.
Yeah, but I'm not arguing Ben Arfa's better than Cristiano, do I?
Did you completely miss the point? I’m talking about impact in general play, controlling the game etc. Everything except goalscoring.
Thats not the point I was making.
So am I.
I know you like Cristiano but you conveniently forgot 2015. Or did you think Leo wasn't better in 2015. He won the Balon Dor that year (comfortably).
http://www.cityam.com/232176/lionel...ts-behind-the-barcelona-stars-incredible-year
I do admire your efforts though. Once Leo wins his 6th Balon Dor and leaves Cristiano stuck on 5, what will you say then?
That he has 6 and Ronaldo has 5? Ronaldo was down 3 at one point he still caught up and am pretty sure he will win again. Also there is 1 in their that Messi should not have won but that is neither here nor their.
What I will say is Ronaldo has dominated the CL in ways we have never seen before and has won a MAJOR trophy for his country which Messi has not as well as a 3 peat in the CL which is unprecedented . So as of Right now in terms of their WHOLE careers Ronaldo is the best player of HIS generation.
Messi is for sure the best player this season though. Won’t even argue it.
I see the Messi fanboys are out of their UCL caves after their beloved destroyed the likes of Jones,Smalling and Young . Along with the Ronaldo fanboys who are out with their stat lightsabers to defend their love. Seriously this is the real Game of the thrones . The Ballon d'or is the new Iron Throne . 
No, you simply didn't understand mine. You aren't comparing Cristiano with some talented player that has a habit of vabishing in big games. All this mentality, clutch, etc. stuff would maybe make sense if one was a choker and the other was not but that's notnthe case. The difference in skill is so great that I really don't care about the small margin Ronaldo is ahead in terms of "clutchness". And yes, it is small if you consider more than goals in your evaluation.
“Diference in skill is so great” that’s a complete exagerariam because if that was the case they would not Head to Head and toe to toe there whole careers.
People treat Ronaldo like he has no skill at all and all he is is Pipo Inzaghi 2.0. Get a grip.
Also small margin in “clutcheness”’is a understatement as well.
WC final 0-0 96th minute in the game and you get a penalty. I know who I am taking 10x out of 10. Same thing in a penalty shootout.
See, you say they went head to head, I don't. They've got a similar trophy cabinet, somewhat (!) similar goal stats and that's it. I watched both play a lot and throughout Messi's best year I was even rooting for Madrid but honestly, what Messi does on a football pitch is unique in his generation. Ronaldo can solely compete in terms of superficial and context-free statistics like goals and titles.
But yeah, I'd let Ronaldo take the penalty as well. If I had the choice to play Ronaldo or Messi and could sub them in and out as I pleased I'd sub Ronaldo in for indirect set pieces and penalties and sub Messi back in as soon as the ball is in play.
If Ronaldo is so clutch that his clutchness is far clutchier than Messi's clutch then why wasn't Ronaldo clutchier last night? Juve could have done with some serious clutching from Ronaldo rather than the moderate clutch he showed.
You clutch?
Agreed on penalties but any other set piece in terms of delivery is Messi all day long.
He is the best passer in the world. Ronaldo is not even considered here.
He is the most creative player in the world. Again Ronaldo is a finisher.
Messi does it all. Ronaldo is great but Messi is GOAT.
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