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Just leave it mate. Absolutely nobody in this thread has remotely any sort of idea what they're talking about when it comes to the portuguese national team. It's insane. I don't even think they know most of the players that played for us since Ronaldo's debut.

I'd have loved to see Messi play Brazil in a World Cup with Duda and Danny either side of him rather than with two of the 300 better forwards Argentina have. What I would have done for a Benedetto... nevermind Sergio fecking Aguero.
It’s hilarious that this idea or agenda that Messi has had the unfortunate luck of playing with a bad national team makes me laugh. Whether Messi is their or not Argentina qualify for the World Cup 9x out of 10 just like history shows.

Portugal on the other hand barely qualified also if not for Ronaldo we would have missed about 3 major tournaments in the past 15 years.
 
I think I can officially confirm you don’t know what the feck your talking about in terms of this debate.



I never said anything about Portugal and 16 I said that the copa America is an easier competition then the euro which is true. Also Portugal faces a good Poland team and a Croatia team that with the same squad of players destroyed Argentina in the past World Cup along with beating the best team in the world in France. Whether it was deserved or not is another story the fact is they won. Here are the facts. Ronaldo has won a major trophy for his country and Messi has not.

2018 Croatia >>>> 2016 Croatia and its not even close

2016 Argentina >>>>> 2018 Argentina

France 2018 >>>>< France 2016

Big difference in those teams.

And Chile beat Portugal last time they played who were the euro champs.

I don’t argue euro can be harder
To win (although euro qualifying is easier) but Portugal has an extremely easybroute. Poland was not very good. Croatia was much better after 2016. Wales were
Missing lots of key players.

And Ronaldo’s biggest moment was being on the sidelines while Eder brought it home
 
It’s hilarious that this idea or agenda that Messi has had the unfortunate luck of playing with a bad national team makes me laugh. Whether Messi is their or not Argentina qualify for the World Cup 9x out of 10 just like history shows.

Portugal on the other hand barely qualified also if not for Ronaldo we would have missed about 3 major tournaments in the past 15 years.

If not Messi Argentina doesn’t qualify for anything either. Argentina’s record without Messi is FAR worse than Portugal’s without Ronaldo. Not even debatable. Just because Argentina teams prior to Messi qualified doesn’t mean the current era qualifies without him. Did you completely miss the last World Cup qualifiers?!
 
In the first leg, Messi was directly responsible for Drogba's goal. Gave the ball away high up the pitch and just strolled as Chelsea countered.

Nothing happened between him losing the ball and Drogba scoring?.

No video for the penalty feck up and Pep's exasperated reaction ? Oh right, scoring penalties doesn't count. Argentinians must love that piece of fact.

You'd see the penalty is there too if you watched it, so you basically talk the talk, but won't walk the walk.
 
2018 Croatia >>>> 2016 Croatia and its not even close

2016 Argentina >>>>> 2018 Argentina

France 2018 >>>>< France 2016

Big difference in those teams.

And Chile beat Portugal last time they played who were the euro champs.

I don’t argue euro can be harder
To win (although euro qualifying is easier) but Portugal has an extremely easybroute. Poland was not very good. Croatia was much better after 2016. Wales were
Missing lots of key players.

And Ronaldo’s biggest moment was being on the sidelines while Eder brought it home
Croatia was the same team .... what are you smoking.... Ronaldo’s biggest moment ? Was dragging us to the fecking final by getting us out the group stage by pulling his team together like a true leader vs Poland in the penalties ( watch he video) by scoring vs Wales in the semi finals and then by being a leader on the sidelines.

Want to know Messi biggest moment ? Missing the penalty vs Chile and then QUITTING on his country.

You can say whatever you want about Ronaldo on the sidelines but when you have a guy that QUITS on his country that whole “argument” loses all credibility like literally ZERO. That’s some true Goat shet right their quiting on your country.
 
If not Messi Argentina doesn’t qualify for anything either. Argentina’s record without Messi is FAR worse than Portugal’s without Ronaldo. Not even debatable. Just because Argentina teams prior to Messi qualified doesn’t mean the current era qualifies without him. Did you completely miss the last World Cup qualifiers?!
1 qualifying campaign. I can also argue Messi is part of the problem. Give Ronaldo half of the players Messi has in Argentina and I guarantee Portugal have 2 euros right now not 1.
 
Croatia was the same team .... what are you smoking.... Ronaldo’s biggest moment ? Was dragging us to the fecking final by getting us out the group stage by pulling his team together like a true leader vs Poland in the penalties ( watch he video) by scoring vs Wales in the semi finals and then by being a leader on the sidelines.

Want to know Messi biggest moment ? Missing the penalty vs Chile and then QUITTING on his country.

You can say whatever you want about Ronaldo on the sidelines but when you have a guy that QUITS on his country that whole “argument” loses all credibility like literally ZERO. That’s some true Goat shet right their quiting on your country.

Croatia as a team were MUCH better in 2018 by every metric possible. You have no argument there.

And Messi got his team out of the group stage in the WC as without him they’re finished at that point.

Crucial goal in a do or die World Cup game to again get out of the group stage and provided two assists against the World Cup winners France.

Messi’s biggest moment is a header against united and iconic goals against you guessed it Ronaldo time and time again.
 
1 qualifying campaign. I can also argue Messi is part of the problem. Give Ronaldo half of the players Messi has in Argentina and I guarantee Portugal have 2 euros right now not 1.
And give Messi Portugal and they’d win the euro

Absolutely incredible that WITHOUT Ronaldo they won a euro FINAL. Can’t think of a single outshiined in the finals by his teammates as often as Ronaldo. Whether it’s Bale, Ramos or Eder.
 
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Do you intentionally repeat the same stuff over and over again and hope that they will be taken as gospel truth at some point of time?
I'm glad you said it. I've never seen someone repeat the same things every page over and over again like that! :boring:
 
There's not thousands of players that can play the ball like Kroos, Bernardeschi or Bale do in some of those crosses, there's indeed a special thing about Ronaldo's aerial prowess, in modern football if you start at youth level, you could get way more players able to win headers and score like that than technical players, but there's a focus on the last ones. What makes Ronaldo weird and so specially good right now is that he can play like an old school 9 with power and height, but he's better with the ball than 99% of the players above 180cm. He shines for what you point out because it's a skill not so common now, but he's the best striker because he pairs that with being world class at everything else.

We could talk about creativity on a skill context vs creativity on a stat one, if you look at football in a logical way, to win you have to score, and to score you need to advance meters with the ball to reach the rival goal. Heading to create second plays is a way of creating chances in a "stat" way, because you need a player passing the ball to you and a second player to receive your pass, or from a cross, you need a team effort to bring the ball to hug the line, and the % of success of this play is lower than other forms of attacking, is easier to execute (as a team) but also easier to defend.


On the skill context, it would be the guy that does the long pass to Ronaldo, a reference 9 doesn't really need to read too much into the game outside the area, his job is to anchor himself in a place that everyone knows he'll do damage, but the creative player needs to free himself of marking and create his own space to launch a pass (usually by dribbling or, in Kroos way, by commanding too much respect from defenders due to his signature move), and once that space is created, choosing the right option (sometimes the 9, other times the wingers, or passing in short), and putting a good pass (that's harder than what I think you imply in your post).

What changes from a great player like Kroos, to a legendary one like Messi, or even Iniesta on his good days, is that if you need at least 6 links in your usual "chain" of actions to score (Starts on the keeper, beat the first line of pressure, link up in the middle, put speed forward to the play, create the chance and score) a player like Kroos can make his team forget about 2, 3 links at most (if he's too deep, beats the pressure, doesn't need to link up and speeds the game opening to a wing, if he was closer to the enemy area, he skips linking, puts speed with a through ball and possibly creaters a chance), Iniesta could do an extra link on Kroos from either of those two positions, but Messi can do an extra link on Iniesta too, because he can score, so, in a chain of attack, he's more creative because he can help his team in 5 out of 6 links of the game.

Ronaldo (nowadays) creates chances that also are more represented in stats because he's weighter towards those last links (score, create the last chance, accelerate the attacking play), he helps create a lot for his team, but you can't ask him to create the lion's share of chances on the team like you should do with Kane, Messi, Neymar or Mbappe.

07-12 Ronaldo? He was almost as creative as current Messi, maybe not in such a wide area of the pitch because he was relatively anchored to the wings, for that, he would surely be regarded as the best ever had it not been not only for Messi, but Messi in that Barcelona squad, without that combination he would have...

Been in the first team to repeat a UCL title (United 2009).
"Treble" season too.
Spanish domination (5 extra La Liga titles, for a total of 7 in 9)
Probably an extra UCL (2011)

Think that’s a good point but it’s a very complex argument, to analyze their impact in that way is to look at a thousand different things.

If the same Ronaldo had been around with no Messi he’d have definitely won more, don’t think it would have meant anything in Europe but his league record would look a lot better that’s for sure. Don’t think it would be the same Ronaldo without Messi though. His mentality and mindset throughout matches comes from lots of motivation and Messi is obviously a big part of that.

It’s a shame Barcelona bought Quaresma instead of Ronaldo in 2003.
 
Think that’s a good point but it’s a very complex argument, to analyze their impact in that way is to look at a thousand different things.

If the same Ronaldo had been around with no Messi he’d have definitely won more, don’t think it would have meant anything in Europe but his league record would look a lot better that’s for sure. Don’t think it would be the same Ronaldo without Messi though. His mentality and mindset throughout matches comes from lots of motivation and Messi is obviously a big part of that.

It’s a shame Barcelona bought Quaresma instead of Ronaldo in 2003.

Did you see that quote from the Messi interview where he says he misses Ronaldo?

https://www.theweek.co.uk/la-liga/1...istiano-ronaldo-barcelona-real-madrid-la-liga
 
Yeah, it’s nice seeing them be a lot more complimentary of eachother now that Ronaldo left Madrid.

I actually found them to usually be fairly complementary to each other even during the Madrid/Barca days, but it's the fans/media (guilty as charged) who make it seem like there is animosity between the two.

Ronaldo with his son and Messi was a nice moment.
 
Croatia as a team were MUCH better in 2018 by every metric possible. You have no argument there.

And Messi got his team out of the group stage in the WC as without him they’re finished at that point.

Crucial goal in a do or die World Cup game to again get out of the group stage and provided two assists against the World Cup winners France.

Messi’s biggest moment is a header against united and iconic goals against you guessed it Ronaldo time and time again.
Ronaldo has done the same in an actual group of death with Netherlands and Germany and last time I checked Ronaldo has the record of most consecutive games in a row scoring against Barca.
 
And give Messi Portugal and they’d win the euro

Absolutely incredible that WITHOUT Ronaldo they won a euro FINAL. Can’t think of a single outshiined in the finals by his teammates as often as Ronaldo. Whether it’s Bale, Ramos or Eder.
Ok genuine question are you being serious or are you actually this daft? It takes a special kind of person to say some of the absolute shet you say.

Also Messi is a system player that is proven and with Portugal with Hugo Almeida and Postiga as his partners or Silvestre Varela he would not do shet. He does not do shet with Aguero and higuain let alone the guys in Portugal.
 
Think that’s a good point but it’s a very complex argument, to analyze their impact in that way is to look at a thousand different things.

If the same Ronaldo had been around with no Messi he’d have definitely won more, don’t think it would have meant anything in Europe but his league record would look a lot better that’s for sure. Don’t think it would be the same Ronaldo without Messi though. His mentality and mindset throughout matches comes from lots of motivation and Messi is obviously a big part of that.

It’s a shame Barcelona bought Quaresma instead of Ronaldo in 2003.
I am happy it happened the way it did United and Fergie were the perfect fit for him. The real shame is that Quaresma went to Barca and not a different club at that time.
 
Yeah, it’s nice seeing them be a lot more complimentary of eachother now that Ronaldo left Madrid.

Revisionism. I know you have everything to gain by pretending the camaraderie is mutual and not said between clenched teeth in the case of Ronaldo.

Let me remind you of what he said after leaving for Juventus:

Asked if he missed Messi, Ronaldo replied: "No, maybe it's him who misses me. I've played in England, Spain, Italy, Portugal and for my national team, while he's still in Spain. Maybe he needs me more”.

Clearly praising himself at the expense of Messi.
 
Revisionism. I know you have everything to gain by pretending the camaraderie is mutual and not said between clenched teeth in the case of Ronaldo. Messi is the one who truly doesn’t care.

Let me remind you of what he said after leaving for Juventus:



Clearly praising himself at the expense of Messi.
He is not wrong he is more proven I think is what he is saying. Deep down I do know Ronaldo cares more then Messi does because Ronaldo is just a competitive freak he needs to be the best always and that is his greatest asset.
 
Revisionism. I know you have everything to gain by pretending the camaraderie is mutual and not said between clenched teeth in the case of Ronaldo.

Let me remind you of what he said after leaving for Juventus:



Clearly praising himself at the expense of Messi.

Everything to gain? What do I have to gain? :lol:

Jesus Christ, you’re actually mad.

Ronaldo’s been nothing but complimentary towards Messi. That quote was a joke ffs :rolleyes:
 
Ok genuine question are you being serious or are you actually this daft? It takes a special kind of person to say some of the absolute shet you say.

Also Messi is a system player that is proven and with Portugal with Hugo Almeida and Postiga as his partners or Silvestre Varela he would not do shet. He does not do shet with Aguero and higuain let alone the guys in Portugal.

Ronaldo would get zero service on that Argentina squad, their midfield is non existent. Messi has to drop incredibly deep just to start the play.

Imagine calling the GOAT a “system player” :lol:

You are the one being daft.

And we, Portugal’s euro path in 2016 was one of the easiest of the past 25 years in the Euros.

But sure, Poland would win the Copa América :lol:
 
He is not wrong he is more proven I think is what he is saying.

So you agree with me that he made a disparaging comment towards Messi.

Deep down I do know Ronaldo cares more then Messi does

About the rivalry? Yeah I agree.

So nice to find common ground with a Ronaldo fan unlike that @Peyroteo who thinks everything is a joke. The only joke is him :)
 
Ronaldo would get zero service on that Argentina squad, their midfield is non existent. Messi has to drop incredibly deep just to start the play.

If Argentina’s midfield is nonexistent, what the hell is Portugal’s? I’d kill for Banega, Paredes or Lo Celso.

Ronaldo won the Champions League with Di Maria playing in midfield too. He played his prime years with Portugal with Meireles and Veloso as the midfield, in Euro 2016 our best midfielders were Adrien Silva and Renato Sanches...
 
If Argentina’s midfield is nonexistent, what the hell is Portugal’s? I’d kill for Banega, Paredes or Lo Celso.

Ronaldo won the Champions League with Di Maria playing in midfield too. He played his prime years with Portugal with Meireles and Veloso as the midfield, in Euro 2016 our best midfielders were Adrien Silva and Renato Sanches...

And I’d kill for Bernardo Silva and Moutinho. They actually
Provide service
 
So you agree with me that he made a disparaging comment towards Messi.



About the rivalry? Yeah I agree.

So nice to find common ground with a Ronaldo fan unlike that @Peyroteo who thinks everything is a joke. The only joke is him :)

No, I just think an obvious joke is a joke.

You got wound up by me saying that they’ve been more complimentary towards eachother... and then you call me a lunatic?
 
No, I just think an obvious joke is a joke.

You got wound up by me saying that they’ve been more complimentary towards eachother... and then you call me a lunatic?

I didn’t call you a lunatic, but it would only be fair if I had since you called me mad. Which has the same meaning the last time I checked :)

It’s not an obvious joke, and there are degrees to jokes. If I call you a raving lunatic I can’t just hide behind ”it was a prank, bro”. If Nadal makes a smug remark about some weakness of Federer’s game, that has a degree of impact regardless of how it was intended. Theresa May can’t ”jokingly” call Angela Merkel a nazi. Context matters.
 
And I’d kill for Bernardo Silva and Moutinho. They actually
Provide service

I thought Messi didn’t need service...

Messi is the service, he plays for Barcelona while Madrid play for Ronaldo. Ronaldo needs the services to get going or else he's isolated in the box and can't do anything outside of it. Messi is the engine of the entire Barca team.

BS, Messi is the service, he’s the one who sets up the plays and makes his teammates better, Ronaldo looks better thanks to his teammates

Dybala for Bernardo, Banega for Moutinho... Paredes for William, Lo Celso for Bruno Fernandes, Di Maria for Rafa, Aguero for André Silva, Tagliafico for Guerreiro, Romero for Patricio, Otamendi for Pepe and Rojo for Dias. Better all over the fecking pitch, 100 more often options per position as depth and you still complain more than any Portuguese does.

You can’t have it both ways, you can’t pretend Messi makes his teammates better while simultaneously pretending every single teammate plays worse when they have an Argentina shirt on...
 
I thought Messi didn’t need service...





Dybala for Bernardo, Banega for Moutinho... Paredes for William, Lo Celso for Bruno Fernandes, Di Maria for Rafa, Aguero for André Silva, Tagliafico for Guerreiro, Romero for Patricio, Otamendi for Pepe and Rojo for Dias. Better all over the fecking pitch, 100 more often options per position as depth and you still complain more than any Portuguese does.

You can’t have it both ways, you can’t pretend Messi makes his teammates better while simultaneously pretending every single teammate plays worse when they have an Argentina shirt on...

And yet when Messi doesn't play Argentina does absolutely horrible. Dybala has been awful for years, he's awful with Ronaldo too.

Portugal are significantly more cohesive and better managed than Argentina. Again, take Ronaldo out of Portugal and Messi out of Argentina and Portugal win every single time.
 
And yet when Messi doesn't play Argentina does absolutely horrible. Dybala has been awful for years, he's awful with Ronaldo too.

Portugal are significantly more cohesive and better managed than Argentina. Again, take Ronaldo out of Portugal and Messi out of Argentina and Portugal win every single time.

That’s just remarkably wrong at all levels. Better managed? We won the Euros with Fernando fecking Santos... that’s the guy who lost a title race to Boavista. Do you even know who you’re talking about? Sampaoli is three times more accomplished than any manager Portugal’s had in Ronaldo’s time and what happened?

Scolari, Queiroz, Bento and Santos... lucky Ronaldo. Are you actually serious?

Dybala is great, hasn’t been awful at all. He’d be the second best Portuguese player if he played for us.

Argentina won their last 3 games without Messi. Lost their last one with Messi 3-1 vs Venezuela... using your own logic, doesn’t that mean they don’t need him? And I say again, this is YOUR logic, not mine.
 
That’s just remarkably wrong at all levels. Better managed? We won the Euros with Fernando fecking Santos... that’s the guy who lost a title race to Boavista. Do you even know who you’re talking about? Sampaoli is three times more accomplished than any manager Portugal’s had in Ronaldo’s time and what happened?

Scolari, Queiroz, Bento and Santos... lucky Ronaldo. Are you actually serious?

Dybala is great, hasn’t been awful at all. He’d be the second best Portuguese player if he played for us.

Argentina won their last 3 games without Messi. Lost their last one with Messi 3-1 vs Venezuela... using your own logic, doesn’t that mean they don’t need him? And I say again, this is YOUR logic, not mine.


Sampaoli is a good manager but absolutely was a TRAIN WRECK in the world cup. Panicking every single match and alienating players like Aguero.

Dybala can barely break into Juve's starting XI. He'll probably be gone by the summer. He hasn't been great since 2017.

Santos won a Euro final without Ronaldo, and his team played very cohesively. Yes, they were dire to watch but he had a great defensive system and got the job done. Argentina haven't had a manager who was great since Sabella.
 
Sampaoli is a good manager but absolutely was a TRAIN WRECK in the world cup. Panicking every single match and alienating players like Aguero.

Dybala can barely break into Juve's starting XI. He'll probably be gone by the summer. He hasn't been great since 2017.

Santos won a Euro final without Ronaldo, and his team played very cohesively. Yes, they were dire to watch but he had a great defensive system and got the job done. Argentina haven't had a manager who was great since Sabella.

We didn’t even play cohesively at all. Did you see the amount of chances France had? It’s like saying Di Matteo is a great manager... on another day we concede 4 or 5.

Dybala is a starter for Juventus, what the hell are you talking about? There’s no chance he’ll leave Juve this summer.
 
And I’d kill for Bernardo Silva and Moutinho. They actually
Provide service
You must not watch Portugal play because Bernardo does feck all in Portugal. (not saying he is a bad player).
 
So you agree with me that he made a disparaging comment towards Messi.



About the rivalry? Yeah I agree.

So nice to find common ground with a Ronaldo fan unlike that @Peyroteo who thinks everything is a joke. The only joke is him :)
The thing is I dont hate Messi but SOME posters on here try to put him "lightyears" ahead of Ronaldo when he very much is not and downplay everything Ronaldo does.

Also a lot of what @Peyroteo says is not wrong but lot of you take it out of context. Not saying he is always right either but nobody is.
 
Ronaldo would get zero service on that Argentina squad, their midfield is non existent. Messi has to drop incredibly deep just to start the play.

Imagine calling the GOAT a “system player” :lol:

You are the one being daft.

And we, Portugal’s euro path in 2016 was one of the easiest of the past 25 years in the Euros.

But sure, Poland would win the Copa América :lol:
The GOAT isn't a system player because he was able to adapt and dominate 3 different leagues all with different ways of playing.

As for Messi yes he is 100% a system player take him out of Barca and into lets say Arsenal Chelsea inter United he would still be fantastic but he would not put up the numbers he does at Barca also La Liga is not much of a defensive league either. Proof of that is the only time he plays outside of the barca system is in Argentina and the difference is there for all to see.

Also who the feck said Poland would win the Copa America? are you ok? lastly Portugal beat France the best team in the world and Croatia the team that made Messi look like a baby and Poland were a tough bone to chew. I never said it was the hardest group but nor is it an easy one. If it was easy Croatia England and who ever else would of done it.

Also ohhh yes Ronaldo must have been getting orgasmic levels of service from the likes od Raul Meireles, Miguel Veloso, Danny, Varela, and Andre Martins:wenger::wenger::wenger::lol::lol::lol:
 
Sampaoli is a good manager but absolutely was a TRAIN WRECK in the world cup. Panicking every single match and alienating players like Aguero.

Dybala can barely break into Juve's starting XI. He'll probably be gone by the summer. He hasn't been great since 2017.

Santos won a Euro final without Ronaldo, and his team played very cohesively. Yes, they were dire to watch but he had a great defensive system and got the job done. Argentina haven't had a manager who was great since Sabella.
umm France should have won that final 4-0....wtf are you on about ?
 
The GOAT isn't a system player because he was able to adapt and dominate 3 different leagues all with different ways of playing.

As for Messi yes he is 100% a system player take him out of Barca and into lets say Arsenal Chelsea inter United he would still be fantastic but he would not put up the numbers he does at Barca also La Liga is not much of a defensive league either. Proof of that is the only time he plays outside of the barca system is in Argentina and the difference is there for all to see.

Also who the feck said Poland would win the Copa America? are you ok? lastly Portugal beat France the best team in the world and Croatia the team that made Messi look like a baby and Poland were a tough bone to chew. I never said it was the hardest group but nor is it an easy one. If it was easy Croatia England and who ever else would of done it.

Croatia of 2016 weren't nearly as good as Croatia of 2018

And Uruguay destroyed Ronaldo and sent him packing. A South American country I might add.

Put Ronaldo in Arsenal and he's not scoring Madrid like numbers either. Hell, his Juventus numbers aren't nearly as good either. And yes, Juventus are more defensive.

Messi has more goals against the top 6 in England than anyone else. Put him on a City or Liverpool or whoever, and he'd be having a field day.

Ronaldo plays from one Euro giant to another. It's insane how his fans act like he's dragging Cardiff to league titles.
 
We didn’t even play cohesively at all. Did you see the amount of chances France had? It’s like saying Di Matteo is a great manager... on another day we concede 4 or 5.

Dybala is a starter for Juventus, what the hell are you talking about? There’s no chance he’ll leave Juve this summer.

Watch, Allegeri doesn't like him, he gets dropped for the biggest match of the season in the second leg vs Atletico.


http://mundoalbiceleste.com/2019/03/04/argentina-and-juventus-have-a-paulo-dybala-conundrum/
 
It isn't heavily in Messi's favour at all. Plenty of players consider Ronaldo the GOAT...even some of Messi's own teammates...;)


Post fail. Kevin Prince doesn't think Cristiano is better. In fact, to the contrary.
This is what this same player said 3 months later about Cristiano and Messi (this was in 2018 before he had joined Leo):

For young people who are football players, Ronaldo should be the best in the world, he said. He is the best example to look at because he trains to the fullest and has talent. He works like a madman, he is passionate with everything he does and about football. He always wants to be the best. He always wants to be first in everything, so, for a player who is just starting, the one to look at should be him because he is perfect.

However, Boateng ultimately believes that Messi is the best. Ronaldo makes all of this happen in this world, but only in this world, he added. In what transcends this world, the best is Messi, because he is incredible, he does things that nobody can do. I do not see him in this world. Ronaldo dominates this world and Messi is above everything else.

Pretty self explanatory.
 
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