Ah fair enough, I misunderstood the point you were making.
Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance
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they'll also look at the footage and see Messi was better
I’m just looking forward (hoping) to Messi exceeding Pele’s official goals total of 757, which of course doesn’t include 5 a sides in the Army with his mates, or other pre season friendlies and kickabouts. Ronaldo won’t quite get there, due to age and the slowing down of goals.
Time will determine how great people think Messi and Ronaldo were, but history will see Messi outscore and out assist Ronaldo, with a similar amount of trophies won.
Both fantastic players, but Messi tips it for me, because of his sheer consistency throughout the whole of his career, and the sheer number of wow moments he has delivered, and continues to deliver.
Time will determine how great people think Messi and Ronaldo were, but history will see Messi outscore and out assist Ronaldo, with a similar amount of trophies won.
Both fantastic players, but Messi tips it for me, because of his sheer consistency throughout the whole of his career, and the sheer number of wow moments he has delivered, and continues to deliver.
Well one hopes that’s what they’ll base it on. The footage available makes it clear cut in my opinion, it does seem to be Americans and Portuguese people that think Ronnie is better even after watching the footage.
People shouldn't punish any player who chooses to remain in one single club and becomes a real legend there on his own. I look up to Ronaldo's desire to make history in many different parts of the world but this itself is not enough to contribute to Ronaldo's favour, especially if Messi's prime was better. We should look at their features on the whole regardless whether one of them kept in the same club during the entire career or not.
Yeah because all the buzz around RVN (Eredivie, EPL and La Liga) or Robben (Eredivisie, Bundesliga, La Liga and EPL) is about how they won 3/4 titles in different countries, not about a bunch of other things that outclass in how many leagues they won.
This.
It doesn't have to get into stats, trophies, national team records, etc...the eye test is simple enough to see Messi is the superior player, not goal-scorer (because I think C. Ronaldo is more complete in that aspect), but player it's very hard to make a case of Cristiano.
I think my comment is completely fair. What individual records and awards do those two players have?
I’m not saying other players haven’t done similar, I’m just saying That the magnitude of it gets heightened because of everything else he has done.
Plus when they see highlights from the Real Madrid CL Finals
from this era, 90% of the defining moments will be from Ramos and Bale
If memory serves as well, wasn't it ADM when they won #10? He was incredible that game.
UEFA Man of the Match:
2014: Di Maria
2016: Ramos
2017: Ronaldo
2018: Bale
CR7 wasn’t even a contender for MOTM in any of the other three finals. He was one of the weaker players on the pitch, easily marked out of the game by Atletico and Liverpool’s defence.
Good find!
The biggest compliment I can give Ronaldo is he’s managed to even make this a conversation amongst some fans. His sheer numbers are cute but Messi has those too - then you actually watch them play football and realise it’s not even close.
A Messi Highlights YouTube compilation for this season alone would be better than a Ronaldo career one. Oh, and he’s younger too, so will take all the Ronaldo records away from him - you just know Ronaldo has sleepless nights about that while Messi won’t even realise he’s breaking those records
A Messi Highlights YouTube compilation for this season alone would be better than a Ronaldo career one. Oh, and he’s younger too, so will take all the Ronaldo records away from him - you just know Ronaldo has sleepless nights about that while Messi won’t even realise he’s breaking those records
The biggest compliment I can give Ronaldo is he’s managed to even make this a conversation amongst some fans. His sheer numbers are cute but Messi has those too - then you actually watch them play football and realise it’s not even close.
Messi should be given the complement for coming into the scene at a time Ronaldo was the undisputed best player.
Messi is great, but Ronaldo is better
A Messi Highlights YouTube compilation for this season alone would be better than a Ronaldo career one. Oh, and he’s younger too, so will take all the Ronaldo records away from him - you just know Ronaldo has sleepless nights about that while Messi won’t even realise he’s breaking those records
Messi is great, but Ronaldo will always be better; and if I need an 'eye test', then I'll watch Neymar, Ronaldinho, Okocha and a younger Ronaldo on YouTube, not everyone enjoys Messi's style of dribbling...it may look nice, but it doesn't beat the style of dribbling of the players I mentioned, so, the eyetest talk is completely useless and is based purely on perspective.The biggest compliment I can give Ronaldo is he’s managed to even make this a conversation amongst some fans. His sheer numbers are cute but Messi has those too - then you actually watch them play football and realise it’s not even close.
A Messi Highlights YouTube compilation for this season alone would be better than a Ronaldo career one. Oh, and he’s younger too, so will take all the Ronaldo records away from him - you just know Ronaldo has sleepless nights about that while Messi won’t even realise he’s breaking those records
Messi is one of the greatest ever, he's only second to Ronaldo, and definitely better than Pele and Maradona...that in itself is a complement to the little man
It's good for messi then, because future generations most probably won't bother to see highlights from CL QF, SF where messi looked lackluster so often.
On topic, it's almost as if Ronaldo somehow ended up playing only in the Finals, without playing a single match in the entire campaign.
On similar note, when Messi's final performances with the NT (where he lost every one of them) are brought into consideration, then you always have the convenience of pointing out that Argentina wont be even in the finals, without Messi's contribution.
Some Logic!
The best way to describe it would be to say that if Messi is a Rembrandt then Ronaldo is the Dulux colour chart.
To be fair he was good in every QF for some reason during his 5 CL wins while other rounds vary in quality.
I disagree with this. Surely part of being a great player is some form of versatility and adaptability? If a great player plays in a great team that is built around them for nearly 20 years, doesn’t that make it a bit easier to excel? Messi came into a side that was already outstanding. Ronaldo helped turn us into CL winners, he turned a Real club in a funk into serial CL winners and if he turns out to be missing link for Juve, the debate is over for me.
Testing himself in different conditions, styles, systems and cultures to me is a big plus in Ronaldo’s column.
I don't think he was the main reason for those clubs to win the CL, as you make it seem.
On the other hand, I think Messi specially in 2009, 2011 and 2015 was a the main reason for Barcelona to win two trebles and one CL.
United had an incredible team with a legendary manager, while Madrid had many outstanding performances in decisive moments such as Ramos, Di Maria and Bale along with Cristiano.
For me, moving to Juventus was a really smart move, since it's obvious he would win the league as they always do, I think it will be their 6th consecutive league title. But in the future it won't matter, people will say that Cristiano conquered Italy, when he actually went for the easiest choice. It would have been a much better challenge go back to Manchester and help the team to be reestablishied on top of european football, or going to a smaller team in Italy ATM such as AC Milan or Inter and fight for the league title.
Being this said, the real challenge for Cris would be to win the Champions League with Juventus.
It's funny how Ronaldo is described as the better goalscorer, yet Messi holds the records for most goals in a season + calendar year.
And how about Ronaldo’s performance in the NT finals?
Thought so.
Messi has had far more iconic/memorable moments in CL that people will remember. Ronaldo had a nice bicycle kick but Messi’s goal against Bayern and united will stand out more
And when they see highlights between the two of them in the same match they’ll see a lot more Messi tormenting Madrid in CL and the classicos far more than the other way around. It’s not even close.
Doesn't he also have a higher GPG ratio in the Champions League & in their careers overall?
Rename thread to Messi v Ronaldo body
The feck is up with Messi’s right knee?
And his mrs
For me Messi is the better footballer, he is a better team player and his skill/vision/passing ability is off the charts, Ronaldo doesn't come close in those areas......however if I were playing in a team who were 1-0 down with 5 minutes to play and we needed a goal I would choose Ronaldo every time over Messi, Ronaldo will win you games you have no right to win with a clutch moment, tap in or header from a corner for example. They are both amazing players, if you could combine the two of them you would have the most complete footballer of all time, they both have different strengths.
1. Ronaldo did not 'drag his team to the finals'.He scored the goals sure but the vast majority of his performances were awful.There isn't a single peformance which you would call memorable or was a "i was there" type performance. Players like messi, ronaldinho, zidane, ronaldo of brazil have many of these.
As an example in the 2016/17 UCL, he scored lots of tap ins (credit to him) but beyond that there really wasn't anything to write home about or last season where apart from the matches vs Juve he wasnt good at all in the knock out stages.He relies alot on his team mates' brilliance more than any other player considered to be a great of the game.In addition, i struggle to recall a single player who is considered a great having so many average to poor performances papered over by a goal or two.I personally was a huge fan of his,even stuck up for him when he was being called a one trick show pony earlier in his creer. But after 06/07 season and to a lesser extent 07/08 and 09/10, there has been a paucity of consistently truly great all round performances.
2.The Cruyff-muller comparison is apt.One was a fantastic all round attacking footballer,the other was essentially about scoring goals and he scored many and very important goals.Had muller been playing in this era of social media the 2 would be compared head to head just like cristiano and messi are without doubt.
As an example the el clasico this season.Everywhere in the media it was hyped up to be the first elclasico withour ronaldo or messi.But, has ronaldo ever been the stand out player in a single clasico or for that matter produced a truly great performance? there is non that i recall even in matches where he has scored the winner. The stats are quite damning and heavily skewed in messi's favour.
Messi: games played 38, won 17, drawn 9, lost 12, goals 26, goals to game ratio 0.68, assists 14, chances created 68.
Cristiano: games played 30, won 8, drawn 8, lost 14, goals 16, goals to games ratio 0.6, assists 1, chances created 15.
I rest my case.
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He is a sporting lisbon supporter so naturally he is biased. For 2 years after cristiano left man utd, i too was biased but once i lost that attachment, it doesnt bother me speaking the truth as i see it. Some manutd fans still have that emotional attachment to him so are completely biased and make the same arguments that he does.
The eye-test isn't about looking for the player who does the nicest dribbles, it's about watching the game and determining who the best player on the pitch is.
That's exactly what I'm saying, the 'eyetest' is a matter of perception, just like some people could prefer a well organised defensive team to an expansive possession based team...you don't get to tell me what I'm watching and prefer is wrong simply because your perspective doesn't concur with mine.
So, like I said before, Ronaldo is the better player on the field, he ticks more of the boxes that I enjoy when watching football...it may not be the same with you, but that's why nobody is the same
It's actually the opposite.
1. umm no had Ronaldo not been on that team they would not have made it to the finals let alone have won it.Period. If you even attempt to debate that then there is no point in replying anymore because you are either trolling or hate him.
2. "no great CL performance". Madrid0-2 vs Wolfsburg on the brink of elimination Ronaldo hat trick and Madrid are thru. Ronaldo vs Juve last season. Ronaldo vs Atletico semi final of the CL scoring a hat trick. Ronaldo vs Munich away. Ronaldo vs Arsenal 08/9. Must I keep going ?
3. Cruyff and Muller to Ronaldo and Messi comparison is not remotely the same I explained why above. "Messi is the goat" yet hr very arguably is not even the best of his era.
4. Most of those clasicos played Messi had a better team yet many times the deciding factor of when Madrid won was....you guessed it Ronaldo. Who btw holds the record for most consecutive goals scored vs Barcelona at the Camp Nou (7).
You want to talk about Memorable performances ? ok then Besides vs Ecuador Messi has had as much impact as Higuain ( exaggeration before people jump on my back) for Argentina where as I can name Many great performances of Ronaldo for Portugal with a much worse team and in much more important circumstances. Ronaldo vs Sweden , Ronaldo vs Holland , Ronaldo vs Spain just to name three and to go with that he WON a major tournament with Portugal.
Lionel Messi greatest time and his best years were when Iniesta and Xavi ran the midfield behind him. He is a system based players which is proven by Argentina performances and dont give me crap saying " Argentinas team is wank" because they are amazing teams compared to what Ronaldo has played with in Portugal.
Playing and performing with hugo almedia , Postiga, Carlos martins or Raul meireles is not the same as Aguero, higuain among others.
Here is what I know. Ronaldo Conquered England. Ronaldo conquered Spain. Ronaldo has conquered Europe. Ronaldo has won a major tournament for Portugal . Ronaldo will conquer Italy and most likely win a CL with a third team in a third league.
I rest my case.
Then I must have misunderstood your example about dribbling in your last post, but you're right that it does come down to perception. The thing is you have to sprinkle it with some objectivity to get a fair assessment, because if you don't you can most certainly be wrong about who the better player is.
For example if Hazard has a 6/10 game and Kante an 8/10 you would be wrong to say that they were equally as good just because you prefer to watch creative players and get more enjoyment out of that. What type of player you prefer to watch has nothing to do with how good player X is.
Well, to you...to me, Ronaldo will always be better
More like the incompetent ref Ovebro who handed the SF to Barcelona.
It would be nice if he turns up for a CL QF for change.
My favorite tidbit from this debate was someone saying Ronaldo is better at scoring from outside the box, and promptly getting smacked down by a fact to the contrary.
Great players.
And what did you think? The guy was injured and had to be taken off after 13 mins. At least he didn't miss one-on-ones and/or decisive penalties/ tie-breakers, and then did a whole lot of drama of retirement which turned up the heat on his pal Higuain as if the latter scored 3 OGs in the finals to rob Messi of international trophies.
I will take an injured Cristiano on the sidelines urging his team on, rather than a deflated Messi on pitch, who fumbles at one-on-ones and penalties the moment he's taken out of his comfort zone FCB. And that has happened in four finals.
Ya, again, some logic. Thought so.
Messi is the better footballer and more joy to watch, but Ronaldo is still a legend. He's not as fun to watch as Messi imo. You can open a game just to watch Messi, not sure I have reached this with Ronaldo since his early years at Madrid. Still bangs great goals and loads of them, but Messi is a joy to watch.
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