Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance
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I think this thread has finally broken Peyroteo
Didn't know how else to reply to that. It's like having Hitler calling me a cnut
I can't really see any scenario where Barcelona plays better in any shape, way or form without Messi.
Without Messi they wouldn't be where they are today.
Without Messi they wouldn't be where they are today.
That's not even a question. We had seen Barca several times without Messi and whatever players they had they always looked shadow of themselves. Messi = LeBron James for me.
Messi is the best, mostly biased Portuguese or United fans will say otherwise.
How big do you think is the percentage of football fans worldwide that isn't biased against Cristiano Ronaldo? If bias matters... good luck finding someone indifferent.
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You're comedy gold, love reading your posts..
It's crazy that you can't see most football fans really don't give a shit about it. You read and listen to the most vocal parts of the fanbase and you end up thinking the loud minority is just voicing what the majority are thinking. Really, they aren't. They care too little for bias to even be a factor. They just judge things differently to you. It's usually good to step back and recognise that, even if you think their conclusions are not just wrong but silly. That isn't because they're biased.
You're comedy gold, love reading your posts..
Now you're just being too nice, I reckon you're biased
Couldn't agree more..
The loud minority are the ones influencing what the majority thinks.
Most football fans that care enough about the sport to post about it online like this will either want Ronaldo to do well or to do poorly, the indifferent ones are the minority. That's just how it is, he's controversial and he's been the biggest celebrity in the sport for over a decade, everyone will have their opinions.
That was just to say that telling me over and over again that I'm biased while most people here are biased too really doesn't do much for anyone.
I think most fans do give a damn but look at things differently, whereas people would prefer to have a number one, who is better, many just acknowldege they are both simply great players. In todays game, they are the pinnacle of brilliance. Attitudes, skill, commitment, they both have it all.
Its like comparing Pele and Maradonna, they were both the best at the time. You cannot pick a number one, you have to acknowledge they were the best in their era.
George Best and Kenny Dalglish another great pair. You have to at some point hold up your hands and say, they are great for the game.
Its like comparing Pele and Maradonna, they were both the best at the time. You cannot pick a number one, you have to acknowledge they were the best in their era.
George Best and Kenny Dalglish another great pair. You have to at some point hold up your hands and say, they are great for the game.
All I can tell you is you exist in a bubble. The way you talk about and think about Ronaldo means you'll mostly interact with people with strong views. Your views are strong and you dismiss views very quickly. There's no good reason for people who are indifferent to talk to you about it, and you spend most of your time looking out for posts that you think are obviously wrong that you need to correct them on.
I'm indifferent about it all and I quite like hearing different views. There are far more people that are indifferent than you think. And it's very sad that you believe the people who don't talk about it often just follow what the most opinionated folks do. That's just not true and it should tell you something about yourself.
The people who have strong views on this, for the most part, seem utterly ridiculous. The idea of following their opinion on it is absurd to the point of being comical. I think you have to be loopy to care much about Messi vs. Ronaldo. And I don't have an interest in following the tracks made by loopy people.
Of course it's true... if you hear X player is underrated a bunch of different times and start reading some random stats about it you'll buy into it. That's how Modric went from underrated to incredibly ovverated in a few months. A person starts doing compilations of a player doing crap things and then the majority will think he's a terrible player. The majority doesn't watch enough games to really form their opinions on everything but people love having opinions.
I have strong views on the logic used behind it and the way football as a sport should be looked at, I don't have any strong views that Ronaldo is a better football player than Messi. I've always said it's very close either way. Earlier in the year I said that if Messi took Argentina to a World Cup trophy I'd consider him the better player of the two, back in 2011 I considered him the better player of the two, depending on how their careers go that might still be the case again. That's not really the point.
Messi v Ronaldo isn't just the clash of two different players, it's the clash of different personalities and different ways to see the game.
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The best way to describe it would be to say that if Messi is T.S. Eliot's The Waste Land then Ronaldo is Grammarly.
Every single person on this forum may aswell put him on ignore.
The issue with this debate is that just because Messi is the more talented of the 2 ( which he is ) that does not make him the better player. People completely ignore and put off the intangibles Ronaldo has, his drive the work he put in and how much of a big game player he is. Ronaldo is an absolute animal the bigger the moment the bigger the stage he shows up. Period. In the CL knockouts he shows up and drags his team to the finals 3x . Messi chokes he does not grab the game by the scruff of the neck he just doesn’t the penalty Ronaldo scored vs Juve last season Messi would have missed it. Messi had double the goals Ronaldo did at one point in the CL. Ronaldo then flew passed him without looking back . For Portugal ( a weaker national team then Argentina for the last 10 years and pretty much always) Ronaldo shows up more and with less quality players then Messi plays with. All of this is just fact. People say Messi is the goat but one can very well argue he is not even the best of his era. Ronaldo has won and dominated 3 different leagues( soon to be with Juventus) Messi only in Spain . No shame in that but Messi is a system player hence why his performances for Argentina are vastly different then that for Barcelona where as Ronaldo is the same whether it’s Madrid, United , Portugal , Juventus it’s the same. Just because you scream and holler Messi is the best ( and I don’t mean particularly you I’m just saying) does not make it more true or less true. The popular opinion amongst soccer fans is Messi is the best because he is more talented or “Messi is nicer and more humble “ and for that reason he is better but he quite simply is not . Ronaldo is the best of this era and will go down a better player.
Also if you read all my posts on various different threads ... I don’t hate Messi I love watching him play and I think him and Ronaldo are both 2 of the greatest of all time arguably THE greatest. I as well as every soccer fan are privileged to witness both at the same time but as I said Ronaldo is simply better because when you evaluate a player talent is not the only thing to take into consideration. Also quick note your muller and cruyf comparison is not remotely the same because cruyff was both the more talented and overall better player and that is completely different then the Ronaldo and Messi debate.
The star player X is holding back team Y argument has to be one of the most tired pretend-smart non-arguments going. Players that are significantly better than what is otherwise available almost always make the overall team better. Just because it became a popular provocative statement amongst sky/tabloid pundits doesn't add credence to what is a poorly reasoned bit of nonsense that gained traction amongst impressionable types who struggle to think for themselves.
The Barca would be a better team without Messi is the footballing equivalent of flat-earth theory - bold, unsubstantiated, attention seeking junk. Sad.
The Barca would be a better team without Messi is the footballing equivalent of flat-earth theory - bold, unsubstantiated, attention seeking junk. Sad.
Both have contributed similar level of impact and achieve similar level of success in their career, both individually and collectively. We are talking about the level of success in which only very very few GOAT level of players could have matched, in the history of football.
In terms of football, Messi has the edged of being the more talented and superior in the best domestic league, whereas Ronaldo has the edge of being more dominant everywhere else and superior in best cup competition.
In terms of football, Messi has the edged of being the more talented and superior in the best domestic league, whereas Ronaldo has the edge of being more dominant everywhere else and superior in best cup competition.
I love this myth that Messi is now a big game choker. They always ignore the Clasicos too.
Messi's big game performances have hit heights that Ronaldo has never matched.
Messi's big game performances have hit heights that Ronaldo has never matched.
Clearly, posting essays hasn’t helped changing anyone’s opinion ever.
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Statements like this is what makes this debate so annoying to argue with someone over.. The truth of the matter is no one can stand the fact that their love child who they presumed to be the run away winner was caught and arguably passed by the player they so much claimed to be inferior.
At this point in time there is no way to chance the opinion of anyone I don't think.
But Ronaldo going to Italy and lets say conquering it not just domestically but by winning the CL over their to me personally all but ends it that accompanied with his Euro medal is enough to put this debate to bed for me.
Once again I REITERATE! TWO ABSOLUTE ICONS WHO are in the Mount Rushmore as far as I am concerned.
I mean ima just own it now but I meant to say 'Golden boy"
couldn't think of the word at the moment. Nonetheless my point still stands.He doesn't choke them, his style is just more one dimensional and great defensive teams and managers find it easier to prepare against which obviously won't translate well into the latter stages of the Champions League. It was obviously a lot tougher to stop when he had the greatest team any club in the history of the sport has ever assembled with him, back to normality is a different story though.
Messi doesn't have half as good of a record in big games that Ronaldo has in his career. Ronaldo's big game performances hit heights I haven't seen Messi come close to and his lows have been a lot better than Messi's lows. If Ronaldo had played besides the players Messi has played with for both club and country you could probably double the amount of big game performances he had in his career too.
As for the Clasicos, a Clasico in the middle of a league season is a big game for the fans, but it's most definitely not a big game in the grand scheme of things.
Exactly! Like the classic where Messi scored and pulled out his shirt, that was useless because they still didn't win the match; people also forget that it's more of Barca as a team than Messi beating Ronaldo. For 10 years, Barca has been more dominant due to having a better squad, this has a kind of psychological effect on the team so that, even when Madrid is the better team, they somehow still lose to Barca... it's akin to Madrid-Atletico.
So the 'Messi dominates Ronaldo in Clasicos' doesn't hold water
It really is depressing how some people are spending their christmas holidays.
I’d take Messi’s 2011 CL final over any Ronaldo big match moment.
Also Ronaldo has the best midfield in the world behind him in recent years. He’s also having his worst CL performance in his career with only one goal so far. Yes, he’s missed a match and a half but so has Messi.
Ronaldo has gone missing in over half of his CL finals with his lows being as bad as Messi’s.
Europe's top five leagues in 2018-19:
Most goals - Messi
Most assists - Messi
Most dribbles - Messi
Most chances created - Messi
Most free-kicks scored - Messi
Most key passes per 90 mins - Messi
Most goals from outside the box - Messi
Says it all this season, Messi has been blowing away the competition. Of course, it’s December but considering how much time he has missed this season due to injury and he’s still putting up those numbers it is absolutely frightening.
Also Ronaldo has the best midfield in the world behind him in recent years. He’s also having his worst CL performance in his career with only one goal so far. Yes, he’s missed a match and a half but so has Messi.
Ronaldo has gone missing in over half of his CL finals with his lows being as bad as Messi’s.
Europe's top five leagues in 2018-19:
Most goals - Messi
Most assists - Messi
Most dribbles - Messi
Most chances created - Messi
Most free-kicks scored - Messi
Most key passes per 90 mins - Messi
Most goals from outside the box - Messi
Says it all this season, Messi has been blowing away the competition. Of course, it’s December but considering how much time he has missed this season due to injury and he’s still putting up those numbers it is absolutely frightening.
El Clasico, the biggest game in football, is not a big game in the grand scheme of things.
Is it finally over now? I'd say close the thread, but this nonsense would just spill into other threads, better to contain it here.
I still feel the difference between Messi & Ronaldo is bigger than the difference between Ronaldo and whoever you deem to be the third best player in the world.
Just referring to part of your post about people preferring Messi to Ronaldo because he is nicer and humbler.
Infact football fans here love Ronaldo absolutely because of his arrogance!
if this poll about who is better between the two is on a West African sport board,Ronaldo will win by such a comfortable and huge landslide.
And I'm not different, as much as I acknowledged Messi to be a fantastic player, I did have Ronaldo over him every time and I struggle to even see where Messi is better than him.
They are different players, effective in different ways with almost similar output.
Not statistically or via presentable accomplishments but I agree from the perspective of a football lover.
Agreed. It's just like... You have two artists. Both of them sell their artwork for the same price. One of them sticks to the formula & makes the best of the best, while the other does something you never could've imagined.
I can come up with shit analogies for these two all day, but it always boils down to one thing: Ronaldo is as good a player as I could possibly imagine, while Messi is something beyond my imagination.
Dont usually post in this topic, as it's a debate I cannot really be ar*sed with. However Messi is without doubt the best player ever. Magical to watch and there will never be another one like him again
Ronaldo will be remembered as the better player generations from now. They’ll see a player who won leagues in 3 different countries, and they’ll learn that those leagues were all very different stylistically. They’ll see all the champions leagues and the records he set in terms of goalscoring and they might even see that he won it with three different clubs. Then they’ll look at his time with Real Madrid and see that he scored more goals than he played games for the club, which I really don’t think we will ever see again. Then throw in the rest of his accomplishments individually and with UTD, Real, juve and Portugal and it’s hard to think you could draw any other conclusion 100 years from now than anyone having been better than him.
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Ronaldo GOAT. Messi just one of the greats.
In your opinion, which isn’t shared by that many people to be fair particularly those that matter I.e. players, managers both current and former.
That’s one thing folks like yourself and peyroteo will never be able to argue against... more professionals say Messi is better.
Totti, Sir Alex and Rio Ferdinand are nobodies then. I should listen to Arbitrium the expert
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