To be honest I've really enjoyed watching messi on the counter whenever he's gotten the chance this season. Seems to slice teams apart far too easily.
Imagine messi playing those passes on the counter to ronaldo and not current Neymar or alba
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Imagine messi playing those passes on the counter to ronaldo and not current Neymar or alba
Dunno, Messi might stop himself from making the pass just because he's Ronaldo :P
They don't actually hate each other in real life to any extent to make that a possibility, do they? (Actually, might be a possibility the other way around)
He used to have this same debate, but claiming Ruud was the better player than Henry. In ten years time he'll be fighting the corner for James Wilson over Dan Crowley. Cal will never change.
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Before your time, wasn't that? And yeah, Cal is well known for his obvious biases, bless him.
Oh yeah, before my time. I've still seen plenty of references to Cal's past debates, we all know how he sees football. I just don't understand why so many people get drawn into it with him still.
More creative and more influential in the build-up, yes. Ronaldo is more effective/clinical.
There's barely any difference in that aspect. Messi obviously plays deeper and is more involved so it's even more impressive that their numbers are largely the same.
Disagree with the use of the word effective btw. That implies that goals are the only way to be effective.
I vehemently stand against the blatant undervaluing of tap-ins in this thread.
That is all.
That is all.
We aren't talking about their defensive work here now are we. The work towards the goals is what I'm referring to. I think Ronaldo is more effective. Otherwise he wouldn't be getting similar numbers as someone who's better than him. Messi's team has even been better over the course of their simultaneous La Liga career so it's not the team mates that elevate Ronaldo to Messi's heights or subsequently Messi's team mates that prevent him from reaching higher. Messi is better in the more general aspects of football but Ronaldo makes up for it with other things that have been previously mentioned here many times. Messi's attributes are easier on the eye and some of them are more difficult to master but that doesn't equate to the same outcome on the pitch where it matters.
For me, all signs point to Ronaldo being more effective. Not a slight on Messi as his effectiveness is still better than everyone else's by a long shot. It's just a Ronaldo praise. I think that Messi is the better player, I'd pick him in any of my hypothetical teams, I just respect the hell out of Ronaldo being able to keep up with all that. He's probably the most determined man in football and one of the best professionals.
One ponder, how would Messi cope with the booing that Ronaldo has received in his career? Better, worse, similar?
You're confusing effectiveness with goals. If you think messi is the better footballer he is the more effective footballer. Scholes became completely ineffective towards the end of his career ? Iniesta has always been an ineffective footballer.?
Of course you can get more goals than someone who is better than you by focusing almost all your efforts solely in that direction, and obviously being fantastic at it. It doesn't make you more effective though.
Of course you can get more goals than someone who is better than you by focusing almost all your efforts solely in that direction, and obviously being fantastic at it. It doesn't make you more effective though.
Counter question, why has messi not been booed like ronaldo has ?
Number of things. He dives, he's passionate, he's emotional, he's good looking, he's been bought for a lot of money, he's not a homeboy. If he wasn't as good as he is he wouldn't be getting the boos. A lof of player behave and act worse than him. He was booed in England as a teenager. It's just something that he's had to deal with his whole career despite not being malicious or mean. A bit of diving is the reason? Nah. There's more to it. Hazard and Neymar should be getting the same treatment but they aren't. Messi's has had to deal with some hostility from his countrymen but that's mostly over.
You don't have an opinion on the booing? I think Messi would cope with it. Might get to him from time to time but he'd probably learn to deal with it like everything else.
He gets booed at Bernabeu every year.
I don't like it but how likeable a player is is up to them after all. Don't dive or gesture like a child and you won't get booed. Don't bite other and you won't get booed.
I think most top players would deal with it just fine. They are made up very tough stuff that's why they reach the top.
That's not all there is too it. It's much more than that. If this were the case, Suarez would be booed mercilessly every game. Just like every CEO and board member getting a raise is cnut for being employed that way from a POV of someone with a much smaller salary, Ronaldo is a cnut for being a good looking footballer with the biggest income in world football. His looks play their parts. Beckham is still getting a bigger paycheck than either Ronaldo and Messi and Ronaldo is getting more commercial stuff than Messi. People are obsessed with looks and money.
It's a difference being booed everywhere than at the stadium of your biggest rival. Messi gets normal amount of boos. He gets boos for being good, the "normal" way.
Messi does more in the team, but that is the function of his role as an attacking midfielder. You're supposed to pull the strings and make things happen.
Not since Cryuff have I seen a winger/wide forward with that type of responsibility. Ronaldo is excellent at being a winger/wide forward, getting behind defenses and stretching the field. Probably the best counterattacker there is right now. Messi is great at being an attacking midfielder who scores a shit-ton of goals. Ronaldo can get shut out of a game, but I've also seen Messi disappear multiple times. For me it comes down to season performances and trophies won at the end of the day.
Not since Cryuff have I seen a winger/wide forward with that type of responsibility. Ronaldo is excellent at being a winger/wide forward, getting behind defenses and stretching the field. Probably the best counterattacker there is right now. Messi is great at being an attacking midfielder who scores a shit-ton of goals. Ronaldo can get shut out of a game, but I've also seen Messi disappear multiple times. For me it comes down to season performances and trophies won at the end of the day.
that's complete nonsense. The people who boo him probably find his behaviour cnutish rather than being jealous of his looks. The fact that he's a brilliant footballer then makes him more relevant than your average footballer who is a prick.So it's a combination of his actual behaviour and him being very relevant.
Tell me one footballer who behaved well on the pitch but still good booed all the time. It wouldn't have happened no matter how "good looking" that player was.
The whole role argument is kinda weird. There's a reason why Messi is given this role, or many roles, and thats because he's bloody good at them. He's more versatile on the pitch.
Absolutely. It's only because he's as good as he is that he is involved more. The more limited you are the less involved you are.
He's great at doing a bunch of things (deliberately understating), but his best position by far has been in the middle. There isn't a hierarchy of positions. Which makes it hard to rate the two on an objective basis. Which is why both sides of the arguments do stupid stuff like "take away the goals" or "yeah but he doesn't contribute to the buildup"
This debate is a good way of sussing out who actually has a clue about football.
Rich man's Gary Lineker > Messi. Really? I mean come on... really?
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The constant references to Ronaldo's looks from guys make's me chuckle. I know girls who think the whole perma tanned, gelled hair look on him is repulsive.
Why don't folk hate on Pirlo, world class footballer and a cool looking bastard too.
Why don't folk hate on Pirlo, world class footballer and a cool looking bastard too.
He is booed in every stadium because he is very good ,because is arrogant and because he plays for Madrid. In any case, He often seeks this with his attitude, as in Cordoba when he started cleaning Madrid shield in front of cameras. There is a very famous chant in every stadium, "ese portugués, hijo puta es ",I think that translation is not required. Now is forbidden to chant those kind of things, so the chant has been modified.
It is clear that Messi is more talented, but Cristiano level has not dropped even competing against the best Barcelona in history. A few months ago I predicted that Messi had started his decline. I must admit that I was wrong, but in any case he has been playing at his level from december/january, before that he was dissapeared for 18 months.Messi is so greedy as Cristiano, maybe he is shy in front of the cameras but in the dressing room is a shark that decides who must be sold
It is clear that Messi is more talented, but Cristiano level has not dropped even competing against the best Barcelona in history. A few months ago I predicted that Messi had started his decline. I must admit that I was wrong, but in any case he has been playing at his level from december/january, before that he was dissapeared for 18 months.Messi is so greedy as Cristiano, maybe he is shy in front of the cameras but in the dressing room is a shark that decides who must be sold
Yes, you are right
What? Messi has been playing brilliantly all season, you must not have been paying enough attention if you think he's only started performing in 2015. Dunno why you think Cristiano's performance level hasn't dropped either, he's been playing well for half a season for a couple of years now.
And the deciding who is sold part is barely even worth a response, total crap.
Then check the statistics and his contribution during 2014.Good but far from the best player in the world. Some people still think that he did a decent world cup...in my opinion was very disappointing. I think that Cristiano didn´t drop the level ,talking about goals and presence in the team, but before could do phisically things that now he can´t.
Total crap why? . I have read and heard in different places and is a quite solid rumor in catalan press.I think that he recommended the sale of Villa and Ibra, specially Villa.
http://www.90min.com/posts/358542-t...essi-bullying-teammates-to-the-point-of-tears
He was only 3 goals and 1 assist behind Ronaldo that year, although he played 6 games more. That's not far behind. In addition to this, he had a lot of personal issues off the field, such as his tax evasion case and the death of his former manager, Tito Vilanova, which affected him, according to a recent interview.
If his World Cup was disappointing, what'd you think of Ronaldo's?
Also, that article is the most ridiculous article I've read lately.
About the World Cup, Cristiano did a terrible one, but He is playing with Portugal and Messi with a football super power, it wouldn´t be fair to expect Cristiano to qualify Portugal.
I don´t know if the article is so ridiculous, I had read it in spanish, from serious press and I found an english version, but we all know how is the press, when they say things that we don´t like, suddenly there are only lies and inventions
I agree with you about the first half of 2014. Messi was way below his best during the whole of the 2013/14 season and while he was good in the World Cup, he was again not at his best. It's the second half of 2014 that I completely disagree about. He's been excellent since the very start of this season, playing more as a playmaker and dragging Barcelona to wins back when the rest of the team weren't performing. He didn't just turn it on in 2015.
How did Cristiano's level not drop? He disappeared for the second half of last season, bar a couple of games. He's done the same this season bar a couple of games, with his first few months after the winter break being a huge let down.
R.e. Villa and Zlatan, I'm not going to bother reading that article because I've read it all before. If Messi got Villa sold why does Villa take every chance he gets to praise Messi? Even more telling is Zlatan - he doesn't miss a chance to have a go at someone, so why does he always praise a guy who apparently got him sold? It's nonsense. Messi obviously has an ego but he doesn't decide who gets bought/sold and he doesn't decide who gets hired either (referring to that silly gossip that suggesting he decided on Tata Martino).
My advice. Temper silly discussions on debates of who is better and go and see them before it's too late. Nobody is right or wrong.
They are the greatest ever. The pair of them. Why? Because they needed the other to push them to their highest levels. They've won everything possible for club and indidiually, Ronaldo across the 2 biggest leagues.
They will always divide opinion because it comes to personal taste that is innate within what you like and favour within the game of football. But I strongly feel that the time to debate is not now. Now is the time to celebrate and cherish their greatness, together, while they're still active. Time is running out. Don't leave it too late to try and see them live. It really is arguably the biggest wonder (of club football) to behold. Even better to watch an El Clasico and see them against each other.
They are the greatest ever. The pair of them. Why? Because they needed the other to push them to their highest levels. They've won everything possible for club and indidiually, Ronaldo across the 2 biggest leagues.
They will always divide opinion because it comes to personal taste that is innate within what you like and favour within the game of football. But I strongly feel that the time to debate is not now. Now is the time to celebrate and cherish their greatness, together, while they're still active. Time is running out. Don't leave it too late to try and see them live. It really is arguably the biggest wonder (of club football) to behold. Even better to watch an El Clasico and see them against each other.
I can't see them live, sorry, I live too far away.
I'm not sure they're both the two greatest ever footballers. I do think their stats are a bit inflated due to the team's and leagues they're in.
I'm not sure they're both the two greatest ever footballers. I do think their stats are a bit inflated due to the team's and leagues they're in.
There is always someone better, whether its 5 or 50 years down the line, a better player will come forth and so on etc.
Both Messi and Ronaldo rank in the top 3 of all time imo behind Maradona. And between Messi and Ronaldo i don't even think it is a contest, Ronaldo will be remembered for his goal scoring but even he cannot do what Messi did which is bang in 73 goals(lol) in a season and 91 goals() in a calander year and that is before you count assists, dribbles, skills and chances created.
Both Messi and Ronaldo rank in the top 3 of all time imo behind Maradona. And between Messi and Ronaldo i don't even think it is a contest, Ronaldo will be remembered for his goal scoring but even he cannot do what Messi did which is bang in 73 goals(lol) in a season and 91 goals(
) in a calander year and that is before you count assists, dribbles, skills and chances created.- Status