Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance

[In Rainbows]

What the feck... he was just our best player, by far.



Yeah because he's only played in 3... Ronaldo's played in 6. That's the case because he actually bothers to show up more often than not.



It's honestly incredible how little you guys care about the truth to spout shit like this. You're like politicians.

Hop off it. You just disregarded statistics by posting a pic of a Townsend vs Ronaldo comparison while leaving out goals and assists and at the same time there was a huge difference in sample size. Don't act morally superior.

Now you're saying because Messi has played in 3 and Ronaldo 6, that is why Messi is more consistent in finals. Ronaldo has performed in the 2008 and 2016 finals. Even if you had taken away 3 CL finals from Ronaldo, Messi would have still been more consistent in CL finals because Messi was great in all 3 of his while Ronaldo was not. I can't believe you would be that dishonest again even after that whole Townsend bollocks.

 

[slyadams]

Something struck me about Messi tonight, and I only watched the last 20 minutes, so I might be way off. I almost couldn't tell he was on the pitch. When they were 1-0 I honestly barely remember him doing much, whether making a difference or actively seeking out the ball. Say what you like about Ronaldo, he never shirks away from the ball, he'll always want it, doubly so when behind. For me, I've always said if I needed to pick one for my team, I'd take Ronaldo. I think he's a more rounded player, I think he could adapt to more playing styles and will refuse to bow to any challenge or set back.

 

[wub1234]

Mate... I freaking put what you said right there! I literally quoted you. You also said more things, that doesn't mean the quote I quoted you on was fake.

Bloody hell, you can't be serious. You said Bale was a better player than Ronaldo, that's a fact. If you're so ashamed of what you said to not being able to admit it when put obvious proof of it in front of you then you should think a bit more next time.

It's called quoting someone out of context, have you ever heard of that concept?

Also, you stated that I'd said Salah and Neymar are better than Ronaldo, whereas I specifically did not say this, as I've now shown. If you had anything about you then you'd now be apologising for quoting me out of context, and getting that completely wrong.

I won't hold my breath waiting for an apology, or even an acknowledgement of this. Obviously you're so determined to pretend that Ronaldo is better than Messi that you're willing to jettison your dignity and just make stuff up about other people.

 

[Ishdalar]

The expectations are due to the players around him, not because of the history of what their teams did 50 years ago for fecks sake

Benfica don't go into the Champions League with the expectation of winning it.

Who are the players around Leo?. Mascherano playing in China? Enzo Perez? Ever Banega?, Biglia, Zabaleta, Garay and so on?.

There's only a bunch of players that are/were a step above what you'd expect for Portugal level in the last 4 years in the Argentina team and only one name sticks out. Agüero, who historically sucks with the NT,, Higuain, who wasn't exactly too hot and did what he did in two finals, Di Maria (the only proper one) and Dybala/Icardi, who god knows why, never have been given a proper chance.

And what you said actually applies for club level, you compare their records in KO stage, a record that Ronaldo blew away in the last 3 seasons, so you're basically comparing Alcacer, Turan, Denis, Rakitic, Gomes, Mascherano, Alba and old Iniesta to Morata, Isco, James, Asensio, Pepe, Marcelo, Modric, Kovacic and Kroos. Beyond Neymar and Suarez vs Benzema and Bale, one team was barrent in talent, the other was overbooked

 

[hellhunter]

This is like the reverse thing Dippers keep doing, where everyone of their players is somehow miles better than ours while we finish above them. Just Barca fans trying to argue the opposite for Barca against Real. Lot of history being rewritten.

 

[Member 109952]

And what you said actually applies for club level, you compare their records in KO stage, a record that Ronaldo blew away in the last 3 seasons, so you're basically comparing Alcacer, Turan, Denis, Rakitic, Gomes, Mascherano, Alba and old Iniesta to Morata, Isco, James, Asensio, Pepe, Marcelo, Modric, Kovacic and Kroos. Beyond Neymar and Suarez vs Benzema and Bale, one team was barrent in talent, the other was overbooked

That is true but the exact same argument applies to Ronaldo's first 3-4 years before they signed Kroos, Bale, Modric at Madrid when Messi was at his peak. He had a team with players that regularly played Diarra, Granero, Guti, Garay and Albiol in his first season whereas Barca had Xavi, Iniesta, Dani Alves, Puyol etc.

 

[Peyroteo]

Responsibility is more than that. Mascherano has had a desastrous game with many mistakes and possession losses. Why do you think Messi demands so many balls and drops deep? I guess he would prefer playing closer to goal, too, but you could see it perfectly in this game. It was clear that he had instructions to stay further up front but he barely got any passes in the first half because the midfield was atrocious without him. And after Croatia scored the first goal, he started dropping deep again, demanding passes and initiating attacks himself. He's the player the team is searching when they are in need of inspiration.

That has nothing to do with what I said but I completely disagree with it. Messi is static, if the midfield has to get him the ball in great positions then he needs to move since teams are obviously going to man mark him. Great midfields manage to get him the ball anyway but if he isn't playing with a great midfield like in Barcelona then he needs to change the way he plays and adapt. What the hell was he expecting? He should show up on the wings more often and actually make runs without the ball more than once or twice during the whole game. No shit he has to come deep to get the ball, if Argentina create space through the wings they have no big threat in the box so they just end up going back and it's all very one dimensional and predictable.

Leaving their best players on the bench doesn't help either btw.

Screaming and motivating is another thing but in all honesty, I expect a captain to take matters in his own hands when the going gets tough and that's what he does. He doesn't shy away but tries things on his own. And he goes where he feels the team needs him currently. You can't really say that about Ronnie anymore. When Messi sees the midfield play is lacking, he drops deep and helps out. With Ronaldo it is different, even if they are behind and nothing works he stays up top and waits for his mates to create chances for him. Of course he converts them and takes responsibility, e.g. in case of penalties, but this is not the same.

Except that isn't true. Ronaldo will fight and lift everyone around him, go back and watch the Madrid 1-3 Juve in the quarterfinals of the Champions League. He drops deep a lot more often for Portugal than he does for Madrid for a reason too and Messi didn't change the way he played at all. Messi just sulks and looks apathetic. One thing is for sure, a team with Ronaldo will never look that one dimensional in attack.

 

[Peyroteo]

Hop off it. You just disregarded statistics by posting a pic of a Townsend vs Ronaldo comparison while leaving out goals and assists and at the same time there was a huge difference in sample size. Don't act morally superior.

Now you're saying because Messi has played in 3 and Ronaldo 6, that is why Messi is more consistent in finals. Ronaldo has performed in the 2008 and 2016 finals. Even if you had taken away 3 CL finals from Ronaldo, Messi would have still been more consistent in CL finals because Messi was great in all 3 of his while Ronaldo was not. I can't believe you would be that dishonest again even after that whole Townsend bollocks.

The Townsend thing was an obvious joke?

Messi was more consistent in CL finals, that's a fact and I never disagreed with it. It's just a compeltely stupid and irrelevant fact to point out given that to actually get to the finals you have to play a few games to get there.

 

[Peyroteo]

It's called quoting someone out of context, have you ever heard of that concept?

It was perfectly in context. Are you being deliberately thick?

You said Bale was a better player than Ronaldo, it's a fact. You can keep lying about the most obvious fact ever as convincingly as you want, it will still be a fact.

Here's the quote again:

As it stands now, Bale is at least as good as Ronaldo, probably better, and certainly younger and a better long-term prospect.

And the post in which you said it... for proper context.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/messi-v-ronaldo.400526/page-262#post-22589894

 

[mad1max954]

Good thing Messi would contribute in more than just goals as he isn't just a pure goal scorer eh?

I think Messi would struggle and contribute less when playing with lesser players generally. Look at Argentina and let’s face it Argentina still have some quality but not up to Barca standard. Messi isn’t the same player.

It’s not necessary and argument that ronaldo is better, just a view that ronaldo could do it anywhere with any team in any system. That’s what is so amazing really.

 

[worldinmotion66]

Messi can only play with the ball. Ronaldo is far more dangerous without the ball, and the power he has on the ball means that he can make things happen in any situation. He's a far better spearhead for a weakened team than Messi will ever be.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

I've generally thought Messi was better but I'm starting to re-think it to be honest.

Ronaldo seems so much more mentally strong than Messi.

 

[padr81]

What the feck... he was just our best player, by far.



Yeah because he's only played in 3... Ronaldo's played in 6. That's the case because he actually bothers to show up more often than not.



It's honestly incredible how little you guys care about the truth to spout shit like this. You're like politicians.

Those 2 years... they played 6 fecking games in that time. 6.. Argentina scored 5 goals, 1 own goal and 4 Messi goals. One penalty against Chile and the hattrick against Ecuador's U23 team. I've seen that stat pop up about 100 different times from so many different people and noone actually cares about how that happened.

Being your best player doesn't make him great, it means he was Portugal's best player.

So what if he's only played in 3, we can take overall finals played and he's been excellent in 6 of 7. Ronaldo in 2 of 6.
For a man whose so bothered about showing up he did absolutely zilch in 4 of his 6 finals. You guys are all about the big games, Ronaldo has been shite in 4 of his 6 biggest and a spectator in his biggest international.

How is it shit its completely true.... Yes I know who he scored against and how many but that changes nothing, it still shows how bad this Argentina team are. In Portugals last 5 competitive games they had 5 different goalscorers and Andre Silva scored 5 goals (maybe 4).

I suggest a look at the teams Ronaldo's international goals have come in world cups...
06 - Scored vs Iran but was Portugals best player.
10 - Scored the 6th of 7 vs Korea.
14 - Scored the winner vs Ghana.
Big game player turned up for feck all there I'd say... He's been immense this WC so far.

Messi as well has not scored against any decent teams at the WC, a late goal vs a dead Serbia team. 4 excellent goals vs poor teams in 2014 groupstage.

Neither have contributed or scored the goals they should. Both have similar big game records but Messi has turned it on in the biggest game of all on a more consistent basis, seeing as half the arguments here is its all about the CL and the most important game in that is the CL final.

 

[TsuWave]

Dybala, Higuain, Di Maria, Biglia, Banega and Fazio didn't even make it into the starting eleven but players like Acuna, Salvio, Meza, Perez and Mercado. What does that tell you about their level of performance for Argentina?

Every single player you mentioned is terrible for Argentina or past their best or just not good at all.

They're not this stacked team.

They're attack heavy, but even those attackers constantly under-perform.

more excuses? disgusting.

a man comes out of international retirement, takes a photoshoot with a baby goat, goes to the world cup as captain and leader of his team, misses penalties, and doesn't register a single goal or assist? is this your goat?

 

[James Peril]

A few seasons back, Messi and Ronaldo scored something like 92 league goals between them in Spain - in one season. They also have like 8 Ballon d’Or’s between them in a world where physical capacity is at its peak, where football as a sport is as professional as it will ever get before the robots take over. Yet hipsters bring out Garrincha as a player they rate above said players when it comes peak level, a player they have most likely never, ever seen - a player that has never played outside of Brazil and that doesn’t have particularly impressive numbers. Yeah, makes total sense. Fecking Garrincha

 

[Zehner]

That has nothing to do with what I said but I completely disagree with it. Messi is static, if the midfield has to get him the ball in great positions then he needs to move since teams are obviously going to man mark him. Great midfields manage to get him the ball anyway but if he isn't playing with a great midfield like in Barcelona then he needs to change the way he plays and adapt. What the hell was he expecting? He should show up on the wings more often and actually make runs without the ball more than once or twice during the whole game. No shit he has to come deep to get the ball, if Argentina create space through the wings they have no big threat in the box so they just end up going back and it's all very one dimensional and predictable.

Leaving their best players on the bench doesn't help either btw.



Except that isn't true. Ronaldo will fight and lift everyone around him, go back and watch the Madrid 1-3 Juve in the quarterfinals of the Champions League. He drops deep a lot more often for Portugal than he does for Madrid for a reason too and Messi didn't change the way he played at all. Messi just sulks and looks apathetic. One thing is for sure, a team with Ronaldo will never look that one dimensional in attack.

The criticism of his movement is crazy, if you ask me. He has played like this ever since Guardiola. It isn't laziness, it is purpose. Covered distance isn't the only interesting metric. Messi makes more fast runs than almost any other player in the world. Of course there are tributes to it at other aspects of his game. He still manages to get much more contacts per game than Ronaldo, doesn't he? The thing is, although he doesn't move much in terms of pure km numbers, he always ends up being free to receive a pass and initiate an attack. And he binds opponents, too, creating space for his team mates. Did you see how often he almost effortlessly beat two or three Croatians man marking him today? There is no other player capable of that.

And yes, teams look more dimensional with Ronaldo up front since he provides more options. He can run, he can get at the end of crosses, shoot from a distance and so on. But Messi is not playing Ronaldo's position so he isn't to blame for it. Messi can play in these systems, too, only on different positions, and he has shown it many times in different setups. Truth is, this Argentinian team simply sucks and the coach doesn't get the best out of them to put it lightly.

 

[Peyroteo]

Who are the players around Leo?. Mascherano playing in China? Enzo Perez? Ever Banega?, Biglia, Zabaleta, Garay and so on?.

No.. those are very good but then there's a other bunch of world class players.

There's only a bunch of players that are/were a step above what you'd expect for Portugal level in the last 4 years in the Argentina team and only one name sticks out. Agüero, who historically sucks with the NT,, Higuain, who wasn't exactly too hot and did what he did in two finals, Di Maria (the only proper one) and Dybala/Icardi, who god knows why, never have been given a proper chance.

If this was intentional then well done

William was a good as Battaglia this season for Sporting, William starts for Portugal. Battaglia doesn't even get called up for Argentina... and people complain about Argentina's midfield.

 

[Zehner]

more excuses? disgusting.

a man comes out of international retirement, takes a photoshoot with a baby goat, goes to the world cup as captain and leader of his team, misses penalties, and doesn't register a single goal or assist? is this your goat?

No. I have others up there with him. But this is the guy I rate higher than Ronaldo, yes.

 

[Ishdalar]

When Ronaldo joined Madrid they weren't competing in Europe and had gone 7 years without winning CL. Barca at this time was in their golden age with Pep. Ronaldo didn't have it easy at all.

When Messi started playing for Barcelona they hadn't won a CL in 13 seasons, you may call qualifying to 2 SF in 10 years "competing" the title, but they weren't even qualified for the UCL two seasons before Leo's first complete season. Oh, the 2005 league title (months before Messi got a permanent spot in the first team) ended a 5 season title drought.

I'm not buing the pity for a guy who joined a team that had won 2 of the 3 last league titles against Barcelona and bought Kaká, Ronaldo, Benzema and Xabi Alonso to improve a squad that had a 17-1-0 league streak from December to May

Are we keeping some context here, or is this some kind of fable?.

 

[TsuWave]

No. I have others up there with him. But this is the guy I rate higher than Ronaldo, yes.

Ronaldo is carrying Portugal. Messi bottles it against Icelandic fishermen, and gets battered by Croatia, and with a star studded supporting cast. That would never happen under Ronaldo's watch

 

[el3mel]

When Messi started playing for Barcelona they hadn't won a CL in 13 seasons, you may call qualifying to 2 SF in 10 years "competing" the title, but they weren't even qualified for the UCL two seasons before Leo's first complete season. Oh, the 2005 league title (months before Messi got a permanent spot in the first team) ended a 5 season title drought.

I'm not buing the pity for a guy who joined a team that had won 2 of the 3 last league titles against Barcelona and bought Kaká, Ronaldo, Benzema and Xabi Alonso to improve a squad that had a 17-1-0 league streak from December to May

Are we keeping some context here, or is this some kind of fable?.

What does history mean in anything ?

The only thing that matters is the state of the team at this time and sure as hell Barca wasn't a weak team or didn't have any super stars when Messi was starting to gain a big role in the team. If Barca had troubles at the time Messi started, then Madrid also weren't even passing the round of 16 in Europe as well, and Ronaldo were joining at the time of Barca complete dominance on Europe and La Liga.

Are you not noticing that you're massively downplaying the state of your team in Spain and Europe to win this argument ?

 

[shamans]

For Messi brigade to argue he has weaker players than Ronaldo has to be some big joke or troll? Surely there are other things you can mention than that? Is this what it has come to?

 

[TsuWave]

at this point, Messi needs more than hat tricks against Las Palmas to justify being mentioned in the same sentence as Ronaldo. them whirlwind runs against the likes of osasuna just won't cut it.

Ronaldo is goat

 

[Halftrack]

You know what I really hate about this debate? The idea that "if you can't see that Messi/Ronaldo is better than Ronaldo/Messi, you're blind/clueless/an idiot/bisexual/probably a homophobe/your nan."

It's called quoting someone out of context, have you ever heard of that concept?

I mean, you quite literally said that, right now, Bale is as good as Ronaldo, probably better. That's what he's claiming you said, and that's what you, again, literally said.

BTW don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying that over his career as a whole Bale is as good as Ronaldo. Obviously this is not the case, Ronaldo has been the second best player in the world over the last ten years. As it stands now, he is at least as good as Ronaldo, probably better, and certainly younger and a better long-term prospect.

 

[shamans]

Goals aren't the only part of a players game how many times do people need to be told this

"Goals aren't the only thing"
"Champions leagues aren't the only thing"
"Continental trophies with your country aren't the only thing"
"Penalties are pointless"

why don't you just sum it up to winning isn't the only thing?

 

[Peyroteo]

The criticism of his movement is crazy, if you ask me. He has played like this ever since Guardiola. It isn't laziness, it is purpose. Covered distance isn't the only interesting metric. Messi makes more fast runs than almost any other player in the world. Of course there are tributes to it at other aspects of his game. He still manages to get much more contacts per game than Ronaldo, doesn't he? The thing is, although he doesn't move much in terms of pure km numbers, he always ends up being free to receive a pass and initiate an attack.

Does he? He clearly doesn't when he doesn't have a world class midfield behind him and the opponents bother to man mark him. He certainly didn't tonight.

Messi is very good at making those fast runs and you saw it in that chance he had right at the start but he definitely didn't do enough of that and he definitely didn't come out wide often enough. He was good on the ball but he wasn't intelligent enough without it.

And yes, teams look more dimensional with Ronaldo up front since he provides more options. He can run, he can get at the end of crosses, shoot from a distance and so on. But Messi is not playing Ronaldo's position so he isn't to blame for it. Messi can play in these systems, too, only on different positions, and he has shown it many times in different setups. Truth is, this Argentinian team simply sucks and the coach doesn't get the best out of them to put it lightly.

Messi doesn't do what Ronaldo does because he can't do it, not because he doesn't want to. And it's the same the other way around. He can't be blamed for not playing like Ronaldo but he can be blamed for what he failed to do and he should have been doing.

I agree with you about Sampaoli, I think he did a very bad job but the problems from previous managers remain and it has to do with how they try to build the team around Messi. I think when Messi leaves Argentina they're actually going to start looking like a proper team, they might be worse since he's that good but the way they play will be much more functional and the players will look more comfortable.

I honestly believe him retiring from the national team would end up being good for Argentina.

 

[Ishdalar]

I think Messi would struggle and contribute less when playing with lesser players generally. Look at Argentina and let’s face it Argentina still have some quality but not up to Barca standard. Messi isn’t the same player.

It’s not necessary and argument that ronaldo is better, just a view that ronaldo could do it anywhere with any team in any system. That’s what is so amazing really.

Seriously, it's time to remember again that Messi has led a team with Mascherano, Rojo, Zabaleta, Biglia/Enzo Perez, Lavezzi, Palacio and Higuain to a WC final and 2 Copa America ones?.

Who are you going to put him with to nail the argument that he needs flair players to deliver? Robson-Kanu, Crouch, Carroll, Fellaini and Lee Cattermole?.

 

[shamans]

13 minutes of Messi dribbling, passing, initiating attacks and creating against Iceland. Enjoy.

PS: There are no goals in there. If that is the only thing you value in a footballer, then I can save you the time. In this case, he really didn't do "too much so far".

Yet his team lost and he shat himself when he had the chance.

How can people blame his team when he is the one that missed the penalty? Someone just answer this question for me.

 

[wub1234]

And the post in which you said it... for proper context.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/messi-v-ronaldo.400526/page-262#post-22589894

So I said this:

Bale would produce as good, or possibly better, performances and results than Ronaldo if he was selected regularly, as he has done so when Ronaldo was rested. 21 goals in 39 appearances from the bench. If Bale was indulged to the degree that Ronaldo is, played every game, was allowed to take every free-kick, virtually every set-piece was aimed at him, he sulked every time someone else scored a goal or shot instead of passing to him, then I'm confident Bale would score as many as Ronaldo.

Except that Bale wouldn't do some of those things because he's a more mature human being.

BTW don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying that over his career as a whole Bale is as good as Ronaldo. Obviously this is not the case, Ronaldo has been the second best player in the world over the last ten years. As it stands now, he is at least as good as Ronaldo, probably better, and certainly younger and a better long-term prospect.

Which is exactly what I said that I'd said. And I stand by that opinion.

I'm still waiting for you to have the maturity to acknowledge this, and apologise.

 

[shamans]

Seriously, it's time to remember again that Messi has led a team with Mascherano, Rojo, Zabaleta, Biglia/Enzo Perez, Lavezzi, Palacio and Higuain to a WC final and 2 Copa America ones?.

Who are you going to put him with to nail the argument that he needs flair players to deliver? Robson-Kanu, Crouch, Carroll, Fellaini and Lee Cattermole?.

Without Higuain's goals and Di Marias performances they would have gone NOWHERE. People talk about Higuain's missed chances but not the fact it was his goals that saw them through!

 

[Ishdalar]

That is true but the exact same argument applies to Ronaldo's first 3-4 years before they signed Kroos, Bale, Modric at Madrid when Messi was at his peak. He had a team with players that regularly played Diarra, Granero, Guti, Garay and Albiol in his first season whereas Barca had Xavi, Iniesta, Dani Alves, Puyol etc.

Of course it applies, that's why he didn't won a UCL in his first years despite being a better player than in the last 3 seasons, it's literally what I've been saying in this post for the last 2 years.

 

[shamans]

Something struck me about Messi tonight, and I only watched the last 20 minutes, so I might be way off. I almost couldn't tell he was on the pitch. When they were 1-0 I honestly barely remember him doing much, whether making a difference or actively seeking out the ball. Say what you like about Ronaldo, he never shirks away from the ball, he'll always want it, doubly so when behind. For me, I've always said if I needed to pick one for my team, I'd take Ronaldo. I think he's a more rounded player, I think he could adapt to more playing styles and will refuse to bow to any challenge or set back.

He is mentally frail. I don't know why Messi fans don't accept this. He is one of the greatest players of all time but his mentality is not up there.

 

[Zehner]

Ronaldo is carrying Portugal. Messi bottles it against Icelandic fishermen, and gets battered by Croatia, and with a star studded supporting cast. That would never happen under Ronaldo's watch

These are no arguments but hypotheses with a little bit of GoT reminiscent phrasing. But I'm sure Ronaldo would have dropped deep, received a ball and beaten the icelandic fishermen singlehandedly like he always does. And afterwards they would've probably announced him as their King in the North.

 

[Peyroteo]

Being your best player doesn't make him great, it means he was Portugal's best player.

That was countering you saying he was absolutely terrible. I didn't say he was great...

saying Ronaldo was terrible in 3 of the 4 WC group stages he played is just garbage and that's that.

How is it shit its completely true.... Yes I know who he scored against and how many but that changes nothing, it still shows how bad this Argentina team are. In Portugals last 5 competitive games they had 5 different goalscorers and Andre Silva scored 5 goals (maybe 4).

I suggest a look at the teams Ronaldo's international goals have come in world cups...
06 - Scored vs Iran but was Portugals best player.
10 - Scored the 6th of 7 vs Korea.
14 - Scored the winner vs Ghana.
Big game player turned up for feck all there I'd say... He's been immense this WC so far.

Goals in international tournaments

Messi

Panama: 3
Nigeria: 2
Iran: 1
Bosnia: 1
Paraguay: 1
US: 1
Venezuela: 1
Serbia: 1
Peru: 1
Mexico: 1

Ronaldo

Netherlands: 3
Spain: 3
Hungary: 2
Czech Republic: 2
Greece: 1
North Korea: 1
Ghana: 1
Iran: 1
Wales: 1

Neither have contributed or scored the goals they should. Both have similar big game records but Messi has turned it on in the biggest game of all on a more consistent basis, seeing as half the arguments here is its all about the CL and the most important game in that is the CL final.

That's if you count the CL final without caring about the games that lead up to it which is just nonsensical. Saying Messi is more consistent in the big games becuase he had good games in 3 of 3 CL finals while Ronaldo had good games in 3 of 6 CL finals doesn't make any sense.

 

[shamans]

These are no arguments but hypotheses with a little bit of GoT reminiscent phrasing. But I'm sure Ronaldo would have dropped deep, received a ball and beaten the icelandic fishermen singlehandedly like he always does. And afterwards they would've probably announced him as their King in the North.

He wouldn't have missed a penalty that's for sure

 

[Ishdalar]

Without Higuain's goals and Di Marias performances they would have gone NOWHERE. People talk about Higuain's missed chances but not the fact it was his goals that saw them through!

Without Bale, Benzema, Ramos and Eder goals, or Modric/Marcelo/Pepe performances, Real Madrid and Portugal would have gone NOWHERE too. Team sport much?.

The fact that other players can eventually do something good for Argentina takes away that Messi was the one leading them all this time? or that Argentina hasn't really fielded more than 2 silk-style players in their lineups?. Or what are you saying, that Higuain is the style of player Leo would like to have at Barcelona?.

 

[Zehner]

Yet his team lost and he shat himself when he had the chance.

How can people blame his team when he is the one that missed the penalty? Someone just answer this question for me.

You are kidding me right now, aren't you? So all that he has contributed in this game (countless dribbles, opening passes, chances created etc.) is worthless and should be ignored because he missed one penalty?
If his team mates had played on the same level as him he could've missed ten penalties and they still would've won.

I somehow feel many people in here have completely different views on football and never played it themselves. It is really mindblowing.

 

[JarkiJarko]

How come that the greatest player ever only managed to win La Liga 2 times in his 9 years with Real? I'd expect a bit more from the goat.

 

[Zehner]

He wouldn't have missed a penalty that's for sure

Maybe. But the penalty wouldn't have even come to existence since Ronaldo is not capable of playing the pass that lead to it. And guess whose pass it was?

 

[MrEleson]

Dybala, Higuain, Di Maria, Biglia, Banega and Fazio didn't even make it into the starting eleven but players like Acuna, Salvio, Meza, Perez and Mercado. What does that tell you about their level of performance for Argentina?

It tells me the coach is a fecking moron.