Modric, Casemiro and Kroos don't need to be as good as Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets, they just have to be equally superior to their rivals as the culé midfield was in their era.
Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance
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Modric, Casemiro and Kroos don't need to be as good as Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets, they just have to be equally superior to their rivals as the culé midfield was in their era.
Not sure if serious. Nah, surely not serious.
You did win it without him though, maybe if he plays the final Portugal don't win? He was replaced for 110 minutes and Portugal won it with a different player in his position
Just like Ronaldo wilted in the World Cups of 2010 and 2014. Oh, that doesn't count. You know what does count? Ronaldo in the 2 group stage games of this year's World Cup even though this year is a complete 180 of last WC's group stage where Messi was brilliant and Ronaldo wasn't.
I'm out lol
Ronaldo was badly injured in 2014... we played Germany with 10 men after our second best player got sent off and suspended for the second game. It's not the same.
they wouldn't have been there without him. Two sides to that argument mate.
This World Cup performance is a black mark on Messi. He's looked like he doesn't give a feck and his team have crumbled under his leadership.
Say what you want about their difference in talent, but Ronaldo wouldn't have allowed performances like this from himself or his team mates. The difference in attitude is astounding.
Say what you want about their difference in talent, but Ronaldo wouldn't have allowed performances like this from himself or his team mates. The difference in attitude is astounding.
This thread will be on fire tonight. 
We'll never know
Well let’s just wait when both retire and see who has won more major trophies. Simples.
World Cup 2014
Never know what?
Yes, that's true. I prefer this real version of the universe where you're still mad about it though.
Argentina beat Chile in the group stage without Messi and lose in the final with him. That we do know.
You claimed they wouldn't have got to the final without him, I said we don't know that
He was on one knee and was still our best player, Pepe got sent off, we had our 4 other best players out injured... and we're Portugal, not Argentina.
No shame at all to compare that with this...
We'll never know if Argentina might have won the WC without Messi in 2014.
A group stage game is not a final though two totally different gamesArgentina beat Chile in the group stage without Messi and lose in the final with him. That we do know.
Spot on.
Really ?
you think so ?
Dybala, Huguain, Aguero, Mascherano, Otamendi, Di'Maria, Pavon ....
Ronaldo was in great form scoring/assisting in every KO round prior to the final, I just don't know how you can somehow say Ronaldo being in the final would've handicapped Portugal with a straight face. There would've been high likelihood of him converting 1 of the chances which came his way.
You claimed they never may have won the final with him, but you didn't say we'll never know about that one, you just used it in an argument.
That is true, but the fact remains that without Messi they beat Chile, with Messi they lost.
Ok so it did happen to Ronaldo what you just said he would never let happen
Ok without world class supporting cast and system lol
Yes but come on you can't compare a group stage game to a final
No, it didn't... I don't blame you for letting the anger take over your ability to understand basic things.
One Argentina player other than Messi scored a goal out of nothing in the whole tournament, stop the presses!.
TBF Messi is saving himself for the pre-season.
Just stop
Ronaldo is planets ahead of him mentally.
Indeed you can't, when the pressure is on, Messi bottled the penalty.
Ronaldo was carrying an injury and still stood up with a phenomenal assist to win a point against USA and then won the game for Portugal against Ghana.
I'll give you the game against Germany, but Messi this year looks like he'd much rather be anywhere else. Ronaldo at least had some fire in 2014, even if him and his team was shite.
Not just any player though, the biggest scapegoat in football history
Well, I completely overrated this Argentina team! They are utterly inept. I hadn't watched any of their qualifying games for the World Cup, but I can see why they struggled to qualify and were 1-0 down to Ecuador now.
If Messi played in this team every week, he would have won nothing. As would any other player in football history. Their performance this evening was about the level of a mid-table team in the English second tier. At best.
The best thing for Messi would be if they don't win their final group game, and don't scrape through to the next round, as he can go home, rest and prepare himself for next season. His participation in this tournament is completely pointless.
Ronaldo missed a penalty in a final as well
And so it's a given that Ronaldo would have been great just like in 2010? No. So why the narrative that he always performs on the World Cup stage just because of 2 games?
edit: You're probably counting 2010 as a bad performance so I'll take back this sentiment. The point is, that people need to stop making some huge judgements based on what? 2 games.
If you had to pick one player right now to have in the United team, would you have Ronaldo or Messi...
I'm not claiming Higuain was the key player, but it's ridiculous that he gets the blame for Messi never winning the WC. He played a huge part in getting them there.`
Hope this jinxes the whole WC and now Nigeria wins tomorrow, Argentina beats Nigeria with an Higuain goal, and then they win the whole thing with 4 1-0 wins, Messi scoring 4 penalties
People who think Ronaldo is a better footballer than Messi because of their international performances must believe that Ronaldo has always performed at the same level for Portugal.
Because essentially what you're saying is irrespective of how a team is structured their best player should be performing.
The fact that Ronaldo's best period of form for Portugal has come at a time when he is arguably a lesser player than he has been should be a death knell to that argument,it proves the better the team is structured and organized and moulded to serve it's best player the better said player will perform.
Messi is playing in a team where he has to be the primary goal threat alongside Aguero WHILST being the primary creator,he cant play too deep because it reduces his effectiveness as a goal threat,and he can't play too high because Argentina don't have midfielder's who can pass between the lines and get him on the ball frequently enough so he can create or midfielder's who can find a pass in behind if he plays on the shoulder.
He tends to play high for this Argentina team and the games just passes him by because of those lack of midfielder's.
Ronaldo's role at Portugal is to be the primary goal threat,he's pretty much absolved of creative duty (rightly do),so Portugal have a structured a team where the midfielder's manufacture the build up and try to create for Ronaldo.
Ronaldo has an easier job for Portugal with less responsibilities than Messi has for Argentina,And despite having lesser names a well structured functioning side with lesser names will always likely be a better side than a poorly structured non-functioning side with star names
Because essentially what you're saying is irrespective of how a team is structured their best player should be performing.
The fact that Ronaldo's best period of form for Portugal has come at a time when he is arguably a lesser player than he has been should be a death knell to that argument,it proves the better the team is structured and organized and moulded to serve it's best player the better said player will perform.
Messi is playing in a team where he has to be the primary goal threat alongside Aguero WHILST being the primary creator,he cant play too deep because it reduces his effectiveness as a goal threat,and he can't play too high because Argentina don't have midfielder's who can pass between the lines and get him on the ball frequently enough so he can create or midfielder's who can find a pass in behind if he plays on the shoulder.
He tends to play high for this Argentina team and the games just passes him by because of those lack of midfielder's.
Ronaldo's role at Portugal is to be the primary goal threat,he's pretty much absolved of creative duty (rightly do),so Portugal have a structured a team where the midfielder's manufacture the build up and try to create for Ronaldo.
Ronaldo has an easier job for Portugal with less responsibilities than Messi has for Argentina,And despite having lesser names a well structured functioning side with lesser names will always likely be a better side than a poorly structured non-functioning side with star names
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