The two biggest things that go uncredited is Ronaldo’s pure talent and magical ability along with Messi’s hard work. People tend to forget these two things because of how their other qualities outshine them
Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance
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Ronaldo is a freak. He'll play at the next World Cup and still score goals along the way, I'm 100% sure of that.
Very good analysis haha. I used to adore DBZ so I can relate with you completely.
I love it when we can all just admit they are the best in different ways. Determining who is the 'goat' is like saying which person is/was the most beautiful in the world. I mean some people believe Maradonna or Pele were the goat and they deserve their opinion. I wont bother arguing with someone who is adamant that x player is the goat because they clearly lack open mindedness on the subject. It's a shame but all I can do is be impartial because I respect all sides equally.
Being on a United forum and being a United fan, It's great to see a guy who we signed at 18 and sold at 24 become a candidate for goat.
Well I'm not going to disagree with any of your assessments of all those players as you're clearly an expert on Portugal's and Argentina's squads.
The main point of my post (in response to someone who said the respective squads of Messi and Ronaldo are the same) was meant to be about how Messi has attacking teammates that can make it easier/better for him... easier to get assists, easier to get movement to help him score, easier to get assisted.
They're playing Aguero who suits Messis style and have Higuain and Dybala on the bench. Portugal/Ronaldo have nothing close to that and Ronaldo has to do more himself (as tonight showed) which I think makes his stats all the better.
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TBH we are comparing different players. @totaalvoetbal made a good point about Messi on the last page. Messi needs to be involved in all aspects which I think limits his team whereas Ronaldo just needs a moment.
The difference for me is that i could see Ronaldo going to almost any level of club, and still be super dominant and be smashing goals in, i can't say the same wth Messi.
I could be wrong of course but we will never know.
I could be wrong of course but we will never know.
Really? You think Messi would struggle to score for another team? Why do you think that?
Ronaldo has surely put this to bed over the last few years
No i was talking more about a Stoke, or some shite lack Accrington Stanley lol, i could see Ronaldo still getting ridiculous numbers of goals. I can't say the same with Messi, who has played in one of the best club sides ever for most of his career.
Always found it very odd statement. Baseless if anything because his scoring record for Argentina is good.
Argentina are not a great side?
Fair enough if that’s your opinion, just find it strange when people say that. We’re talking about one of the greatest players of all time. If peter crouch and Shaquiri can score goals for stoke I think Messi wouldn’t have a problem.
Do you people have the same opinion on Ronaldo9, Ronaldinho etc scoring goals for teams like Stoke because it’s rarely said against those players.
It’s fair enough to think Ronaldo is the better player. Its very close in my opinion but I feel people try to discredit the other player a bit too hard to prove their point.
Sorry I misread, either way for all intents and purposes just the sheer thought a player of Messi's caliber would not improve a bad side is disrespectful IMO. Why does he only get painted with that brush when looking at one club men?
Messi is better but Ronaldo is still good.
Alright i'll put it another way. If Ronaldo signed for say Stoke, i could see him still getting his 40+ goals over a whole season, i couldn't see Messi getting his usual 40+ goals for Stoke.
Thats just MY opinion.
Ronaldo is more adaptable than Messi which makes it easier to build a team around him in a coherent system that gets the best out of everyone.
David Bellion would score 30 goals a season in some of the Barca sides Messi has played in.
Do you mean to say Messi is so good he elevates a mediocre player like Bellion or Barcelona are so good a mediocre player can play in Messi's place and score 30 goals?
I understand but is that just not a height and physique discrimination. He’s always saving Argentina. Did you not witness how they qualified? He makes players like Augero irrelevant. I’m sure he could brush past Championship defenders playing for Stoke.
Fair enough. I always felt Messi was the one who could create more goals for himself out the two players. It’s a tough one, would be a good experiment to watch though.
Well i was talking about a Barca without Messi, as in playing in his position, where everyhting goes through them.
If everything went through David Bellion they'd be relegated
lol he wasn't THAT bad.
Right now I understand why you had that original opinion.
David Bellion 
I've heard it all now.
I've heard it all now.
He has his wish. Sub.
I think i could of scored 30 goals in the Barca side of the mid 0's.David Bellion
I've heard it all now.
Ealrly 10's i mean, i get so confused with this new century, 0's and 10's lol, it doesn't sound right.
Yes. I don't know how anyone can keep a straight face and claim that Messi has been a better player than Ronaldo over their careers.
I think i could of scored 30 goals in the Barca side of the mid 0's.
Ealrly 10's i mean, i get so confused with this new century, 0's and 10's lol, it doesn't sound right.
Are you drunk?
Great performance from Ronaldo, the best I've seen him play for years. Not just his goals, but his link up play too - looked quicker than anyone else on the pitch at 33. Hope Messi puts in a good performance tomorrow.
This Ronaldo fecker’s pretty good honestly. Ball’s definitely in Messi’s court.
Maybe then he shouldn't have vetoed Icardi, who actually is even better than Higuain.
Aguero is better than all three but sub for two of the three finals
I thought Messi was going to be a winner in this discussion but Ronaldo doesn't stop being a freak. It really is wide open, and i think the discussion will actually live on forever and never die
Aguero is not better than Icardi. He was, but not anymore.
Icardi actually might be the second best Argentinian player, but he doesn't get called, cause Messi doesn't like him. But yeah, Portugal with their majestic players have a better team than poor little Messi who has only Aguero, Dybala, Higuain and Di Maria to help him.
Messi might be technically better but I have no doubt who is the better player overall - Ronaldo easily.
More CL, titles in multiple leagues, major international wins.
Messi for Barcelona is out of this world but Messi for Argentina is no where close. So how much of his superlative success is thanks to the system? Still no doubt he's a great great player but there is a drop.
For Ronaldo, he's done it in multiple teams, in different leagues, and his performances don't drop when he's playing for Portugal. Today he almost singled handedly dragged the team through. It is much clearer to me that Ronaldo's success is less reliant on others.
More CL, titles in multiple leagues, major international wins.
Messi for Barcelona is out of this world but Messi for Argentina is no where close. So how much of his superlative success is thanks to the system? Still no doubt he's a great great player but there is a drop.
For Ronaldo, he's done it in multiple teams, in different leagues, and his performances don't drop when he's playing for Portugal. Today he almost singled handedly dragged the team through. It is much clearer to me that Ronaldo's success is less reliant on others.
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