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Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
:lol: Now yall are just inventing shit:lol:
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This just implies you didn't watch him

If you don't believe that go do some research

Last season he was always dropping deep to pick up the ball in midfield and yes he scored more goals playing there than Ronaldo playing 30 yards further up than him

This is why he's in a tier of his own and there are no players close to him he makes the impossible possible
 
Vialli_92 said:
This just implies you didn't watch him

If you don't believe that go do some research
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Dude, just stop lying. I followed Barca all of last season and Messi didnt spend it as a central midfielder. Just stop:lol:

Vialli_92 said:
Last season he was always dropping deep to pick up the ball in midfield and yes he scored more goals playing there than Ronaldo playing 30 yards further up than....
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:wenger: Come off of it. Its Messi's natural playing sryle to drop off the front, into midfield and attack opposing defences. It matters not where upfromt you place him and that doesnt make him a center midfielder anymore than hugging the touchline upfield makes Marcelo a winger. Be serious please.....
 
Vialli_92 said:
This just implies you didn't watch him

If you don't believe that go do some research

Last season he was always dropping deep to pick up the ball in midfield and yes he scored more goals playing there than Ronaldo playing 30 yards further up than him

This is why he's in a tier of his own and there are no players close to him he makes the impossible possible
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Lukaku even does that but it doesn't make him a midfielder does it ? Messi has been doing it for a long time anyway, it still doesn't make him a midfielder
 
The one thing Ronaldo possibly had going in his favour was due to his focus on diet etc he'd age better out of the two and show more longevity. Seems like Messi will even take that away from him as I don't think age will ruin his ability to playmake.
 
Cal? said:
You do realize there is a difference between getting injured and not being able to complete the game and playing all 3 games and making big contributions to LOSING said finals?
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Messi was not the reason that Argentina lost the finals if Portugal were so reliant on Ronaldo in the Euros, how come they won the final without him?
 
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Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Dude, just stop lying. I followed Barca all of last season and Messi didnt spend it as a central midfielder. Just stop:lol:

:wenger: Come off of it. Its Messi's natural playing sryle to drop off the front, into midfield and attack opposing defences. It matters not where upfromt you place him and that doesnt make him a center midfielder anymore than hugging the touchline upfield makes Marcelo a winger. Be serious please.....
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He was playing CM last season

If a player is picking the ball up as the deepest player after the defenders consistently in matches he's playing CM
 
There was a point last season where Ronaldo was as bad as nowadays. Then he performed well in the last stages of the ucl and scored a couple goals and tap ins and got the awards.

I think the whole team is playing really bad nowadays. Last year it was just Cristiano. If Cristiano has no service it will be complicated. Cristiano doesn't make things happen on his own since 2012 more or less.
 
Archi said:
Yes Messi missed his penalty in the Copa America final, but he didn't in the world cup final. It seems that internationally Ronaldo's greatest achievement is getting his team to the final of an international tournament, something that Messi managed in 2014, 2015 and 2016.
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But look at the players Messi plays with compared to Ron. Argentina should be favourites or joint favourites for every Copa America, and at worst in top 5 favourites for the WC.
 
Eire Red United said:
But look at the players Messi plays with compared to Ron. Argentina should be favourites or joint favourites for every Copa America, and at worst in top 5 favourites for the WC.
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True he does play with better individual players than Ronaldo. But tbf he has consistently helped them to get to the finals of these tournaments in recent years. And even though he plays with better individuals, he's been getting pretty much all over the assists and goals for Argentina in the qualification campaign the last couple years.
 
Eire Red United said:
But look at the players Messi plays with compared to Ron. Argentina should be favourites or joint favourites for every Copa America, and at worst in top 5 favourites for the WC.
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Isn't the counter argument to that. Look at the players Messi plays international football with and he's still head and shoulders their best player every year

Either they are all great and it's a massive achievement for him to be comfortably better than them or they play like shit and so they shouldn't be winning competitions.
 
IFC 1905 said:
There was a point last season where Ronaldo was as bad as nowadays. Then he performed well in the last stages of the ucl and scored a couple goals and tap ins and got the awards.

I think the whole team is playing really bad nowadays. Last year it was just Cristiano. If Cristiano has no service it will be complicated. Cristiano doesn't make things happen on his own since 2012 more or less.
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:lol: a couple of goals and tap ins? Seriously? :lol:
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
dude. He never used to drop as deep as picking it from his defence all the time to pick the ball last season. that is plain myth
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I'm sorry, but that is probably the most ignorant post I have read in a while. It's like you haven't watched Messi at all and you're just trying to defend Ronaldo at all cost (this kind of replies is probably not the best way to do it).

Messi has been called the best footballer ever by a lot of ex players, coaches and commentators, but then again they must all be part of some Messi fanboy conspiracy. I can get that you prefer Ronaldo over him, but there are probably better ways to defend your position.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
You are just delusional. Which is reason enough for me to not bother with this joke anymore.
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Yeah RICTR i think your having a mare here. if a player spends all game starting attacks from midfield then guess what?. hes playing midfield. Your accusing people of lying and creating myth. when actual fact its you that is wrong.

I watched every Barcelona game last year. as i have done for the past 8 years or so. Last season was the deepest Messi has played. Especially consistently. Because he tries to get on the end of the attacks that he starts from midfeld doesn't make him a striker.
 
It is arguable that since 2014-15 Messi has been playing clearly better than Ronaldo, the 2013-14 season being the only one since Ronaldo moved to Madrid where he was arguable better than Messi. Something was wrong with Messi that season, he looked quite bored some games, and still probably would've won the ballon d or not for the extension.
 
Luke1995 said:
It is arguable that since 2014-15 Messi has been playing clearly better than Ronaldo, the 2013-14 season being the only one since Ronaldo moved to Madrid where he was arguable better than Messi. Something was wrong with Messi that season, he looked quite bored some games, and still probably would've won the ballon d or not for the extension.
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In the league? Yes. 14/15 was pretty close too. The most striking was 11/12. Cris at his best, leading us to 100 points, 118 goals and the title, and yet he was clearly a level below Messi

CL is another matter though
 
giorno said:
In the league? Yes. 14/15 was pretty close too. The most striking was 11/12. Cris at his best, leading us to 100 points, 118 goals and the title, and yet he was clearly a level below Messi

CL is another matter though
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Well, in CL it depends, because look, in 2013-14 Messi faced one of the best Atletico teams ever and they were so hard to breakdown that Ronaldo himself went invisible in the final as much as Messi in the Quarter finals before, and in 15-16 it was the same story. You can say that Messi failed to solve Juventus in 16-17 and Ronaldo did the bussiness in the final but 14-15 Messi in CL was incredible. The impact Ronaldo had last season Messi had as much in 14-15, so for me at least, it's hard to say overall who has done better there, despite Ronaldo leading in goals, Messi probably had more impact in build up play and all that stuff.
 
Vialli_92 said:
He was playing CM last season

If a player is picking the ball up as the deepest player after the defenders consistently in matches he's playing CM
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He played CM for Argentina in several matches, Maradona made him play there in 2010 WC.
 
TheRedScot said:
Yeah RICTR i think your having a mare here. if a player spends all game starting attacks from midfield then guess what?. hes playing midfield. Your accusing people of lying and creating myth. when actual fact its you that is wrong.
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Another deluded one...
Messi likes to drop from the front line, into midfield to get on the ball. He has ALWAYS done it. That doesn't make him a midfielder. There is no "he was the deepest" he has ever been nonsense. Save for the hand full of games Enrique experimented with a back 3 last season, and using him in midfield proper, like vs PSG at home for example, LM10 was always part of Barca's front 3. Ergo he didnt spend the entire season operating as a midfielder.
And I dont give a fig how long you think you have watched Barca. You wont lie to me about it like I haven't been watching them play regularly, with my own eyes.
 
RedMessiah said:
I'm sorry, but that is probably the most ignorant post I have read in a while. It's like you haven't watched Messi at all and you're just trying to defend Ronaldo at all cost (this kind of replies is probably not the best way to do it).

Messi has been called the best footballer ever by a lot of ex players, coaches and commentators, but then again they must all be part of some Messi fanboy conspiracy. I can get that you prefer Ronaldo over him, but there are probably better ways to defend your position.
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Another deluded one. Have you seen me mention CR7 once when I talked of LM10's playing style and position?

Why on earth would I need to 'defend CR7' from a debate about where Messi actually played last season? Of what relevance is it to CR7?

Worse still you are here readily lying to yourself that I 'prefer' CR7 over LM10. Check the cafe archives, in my mind LM10 proved himself better than CR7 back when he bagged Pep's first treble, matching and surpassing CR7s first WPOTY season statistics.

I also dont give a fig what loads of ex pros have to say. Many of them readily expose themselves as fanbois with their laughable claims. Neither CR7 nor LM10 has placed themselves in PELE nor Maradona class. They haven't even surpassed Di Stefano for that matter. Yet time is still on their side, for Im not convinced either will retire soon. So I dont get this desperate need by their fanatical fans to 'crown them' GOAT before their careers are done....

So no, my insistence that fanbois like you stop inventing myths about Messi has feck all to do with CR7. You dont need to constantly reach for fiction, nor constantly water down CR7s ability and achievements, plus those of other greats, just to force everyone to believe he is the G.O.A.T. His footballing ability and achievement should be enough. The same goes for those who do the same in CR7s favor. Its both infantile and dumb..
 
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Messi is undoubtedly the best footballer I have ever seen.

Ronaldo might well be second.
 
Amazing Free Kick yet again. He hadn't scored one for a while now. The flick and volley were also treaty.

I wanna say he's the best player I've seen, but I'm afraid it will make me another delusional Messi fanboy, according to an enlightened user of this forum.

Of course he is already in that Maradona/Pele bracket, for almost everyone except some really stubborn guys.
 
Shouldn't even be a debate, Messi is in his own league. you can compare their careers, stats, tax avoidance, whos better morally, who has a better hairstyle but talent wise they are nowhere near eachother. I feel bad for people caught up in this farce of a debate not being able to enjoy the little man.
 
Brazilian Ronaldo and Ronaldinho were still better than both.

No amount of stats or proof will take that away. Don't care about arguments because you're all wrong if you don't agree.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Another deluded one. Have you seen me mention CR7 once when I talked of LM10's playing style and position?

Why on earth would I need to 'defend CR7' from a debate about where Messi actually played last season? Of what relevance is it to CR7?

Worse still you are here readily lying to yourself that I 'prefer' CR7 over LM10. Check the cafe archives, in my mind LM10 proved himself better than CR7 back when he bagged Pep's first treble, matching and surpassing CR7s first WPOTY season statistics.

I also dont give a fig what loads of ex pros have to say. Many of them readily expose themselves as fanbois with their laughable claims. Neither CR7 nor LM10 has placed themselves in PELE nor Maradona class. They haven't even surpassed Di Stefano for that matter. Yet time is still on their side, for Im not convinced either will retire soon. So I dont get this desperate need by their fanatical fans to 'crown them' GOAT before their careers are done....

So no, my insistence that fanbois like you stop inventing myths about Messi has feck all to do with CR7. You dont need to constantly reach for fiction, nor constantly water down CR7s ability and achievements, plus those of other greats, just to force everyone to believe he is the G.O.A.T. His footballing ability and achievement should be enough. The same goes for those who do the same in CR7s favor. Its both infantile and dumb..
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What makes you think you are exempt off fanboyism or hating? All these players, coaches and pundits who credit Messi as the best ever are fanbois and you are the one with a clear view of things. It seems to me like you are the one who is a bit delusional. Regarding Messi as the GOAT player ability wise is a pretty reasonable stand to have imo and is held by many I would say.
 
matherto said:
Brazilian Ronaldo and Ronaldinho were still better than both.

No amount of stats or proof will take that away. Don't care about arguments because you're all wrong if you don't agree.
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Rosy retrospection. I guess, we will just have to wait it out. 10/20 years from now. People will accept for what it is.
 
giorno said:
The most striking was 11/12. Cris at his best, leading us to 100 points, 118 goals and the title, and yet he was clearly a level below Messi
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2011/12 was the peak of the Cristiano vs Messi rivalry. They were both at their absolute best that season.

The only way the rivalry that year could have been any more peak was a Real vs Barca final. Unfortunately both missed a penalty in the semifinal, so that didn't happen. :o
 
ryadmahrez said:
What makes you think you are exempt off fanboyism or hating? All these players, coaches and pundits who credit Messi as the best ever are fanbois and you are the one with a clear view of things. It seems to me like you are the one who is a bit delusional. Regarding Messi as the GOAT player ability wise is a pretty reasonable stand to have imo and is held by many I would say.
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Please see the below link from quotes from fanbois like Maradona, Tostao, Pele and Simeone.
I mean, who are they to have an opinion.

https://www.eurosport.com/football/...tes-about-lionel-messi_sto5055556/story.shtml
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Another deluded one...
Messi likes to drop from the front line, into midfield to get on the ball. He has ALWAYS done it. That doesn't make him a midfielder. There is no "he was the deepest" he has ever been nonsense. Save for the hand full of games Enrique experimented with a back 3 last season, and using him in midfield proper, like vs PSG at home for example, LM10 was always part of Barca's front 3. Ergo he didnt spend the entire season operating as a midfielder.
And I dont give a fig how long you think you have watched Barca. You wont lie to me about it like I haven't been watching them play regularly, with my own eyes.
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Yeah, and actually Jordi Alba is a CB
 
To say Ronaldo wasn't comparable to Messi at his peak is ridiculous. Ronaldo was utterly phenomenal a few years ago - Just a relentless machine that always impacted the game. The idea that he was a penalty/tap in merchant is quite laughable. He was a complete footballer.

Now the comparisons are moot - He's clearly declining while Messi is still at his best. Messi will unquestionably go down in history as the better player but Ronaldo was a very worthy rival and shouldn't be far behind him.
 
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