Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance

[Ishdalar]

Because again, we're Portugal. Not Argentina. I still don't think you have understood this simple thing. We didn't beat France in like 50 years before the Euros.

On the way to the World Cup final, Argentina played Switzerland, who got eliminated by Poland, Belgium, that team that got eliminated by Wales and the Netherlands that team that didn't even get there thanks to Iceland. Your comment sure makes sense... Yes, Portugal beating those teams obviously carries more weight than Argentina beating the ones they beat. Obviously. Plus, you just took teams Portugal faced in one tournament and compared them with teams Argentina faced in 3....



Any other year and we wouldn't have played so cautiously. The team was fully aware of the rules and so were other teams. We spent the last 20 minutes of the Hungary match sitting back happy to go to the bad side of the draw until Iceland scored in the last minute



Ronaldo - 71 goals, 4 penalties, 56 official goals
Messi - 58 goals, 10 penalties, 31 official goals
Ronaldo will soon have the double of official goals.

As for the quality of the competition, clearly you have no idea what you're talking about by calling most of those squads amateur or non-professional. Like half of those teams have at least drawn with us pretty recently ffs

And I'll even break out these goals against these awful semi-professional teams you talk about, to see how dishonest you're being:

35 goals you talk about:

5 against Armenia - one hattrick in Armenia to win a huge qualifying match 3-2
- one late winner to win the match 1-0
- one goal to draw 1-1
Turns out amateur Armenia gave professional Portugal a fight in those games. Let's see the others:

3 against Northen Ireland - one hattrick to turn the match from 2-1 down to 4-2
1 against Finland - 1-0 win
1 against Estonia- 1-0 win
2 against Khazakhstan - 1 in a 2-1 win
- 1 in a 2-0 win
1 against Iceland - 1-0 in a 3-1 win
1 against Slovakia - 2-0 win
3 against Latvia - 1 in a 2-0 win
- 2 in a 4-1 win
1 against Iran - 1 in a 2-0 win
1 against Luxembourg - 1 in a 2-1 win
2 against Saudi Arabia - 3-0 win
2 against Azerbaijan - 3-0 win

Only a select few were part of big wins against these awful amateur teams playing against the all professional all conquering Portugal team. And these are mostly in official games too. When we get to the knockout stages of the tournaments we don't get to beat teams by 4 or 5 goals like it's nothing. We're not Argentina. In the last Copa America Argentina beat every team not named Chile by 3 or more goals... it's insane. In the last 2 Copa Americas Argentina beat 5 opponents by a goal difference of 3 of more. Portugal has done it 5 times in their entire history in all tournaments. And we're the ones with a great team and poor opposition...



And Fred is better than Bale, sound logic.



That's a sample size as big as your knowledge on european teams. Putting "(statistical fact)" after things does not in fact make them statistical facts unfortunately. Anyway I already said a few pages ago that Messi has been superb in these qualifiers, other than the suspension thing he's been great. But he needs to bring this form and perform like this when it matters most.

In fact, I didn't even mention Messi in my post so I'm not sure what most of your post is even referencing. I only talked about Ronaldo's achievements with Portugal which you're so happy to try to diminish



My whole post was about how Ronaldo was successful for us even if he hadn't won the Euros but it seems like you got the exact opposite idea. The Villa comment is just nonsensical and ridiculous. You either missed the entire point or just said it randomly. Or are you actually saying that international competitions should not be taken into consideration?

You diminish Portugal, the 2000 EC semi-finalists and 2004 EC favourites Portugal? And they weren't favourite only for Ronaldo who wasn't a starter and had to earn his spot with 2 great performances in the first two games. The fact that a generation with Baia, Rui Costa, Figo, Pauleta, Couto, Abel Xavier, Paulo Sousa, Conceiçao or Nuno Gomes massively underperformed in world cup related stage doesn't take the quality away from that team, you're selling short the merits of your country pre-ronaldo to create epic poetry and that's cheap, and if you do that you can't point at Argentina as a "great team" when their stars (Higuain, Agüero) players disappear like that old Portuguese generation did in the 98' and 02' World Cup scenarios

Of course Ronaldo has 25 more official goals than Messi, he has 19 more games played and he competes in official matches (Euro Qualifying) that South American teams don't have. If you break their numbers:

Messi: 8 @ Copa America, 18 @ WC Quali, 5 @ WC tournament
Ronaldo: 9 @ Euro Cup, 24 @ WC Quali, 3 @ WC tournament, 20 @ Euro Quali

When you can put 4 goals into Andorra into an official match it sure turns things easier. But you probably haven't seen much South American football and think destroying Paraguay or Venezuela, even winning against Bolivia in La Paz comes for granted as scoring a brace against Latvia or Kazakhstan, go check the FIFA rankings to see the difference, or take a look at Brazil playing in La Paz

2013 Bolivia 0 Brazil 4
2005 Bolivia 2 Brazil 1
2005 Bolivia 1 Brazil 1
2001 Bolivia 3 Brazil 1
1997 Bolivia 1 Brazil 3 (Final of the 97' Copa America)
1993 Bolivia 2 Brazil 0

You think even a third part of the total UEFA zone teams could manage to get 3W,2D,2L at home vs Brazil? If Portugal had to get his WC spot fighting against Brazil, Chile, Uruguay and Colombia and then you saw how Venezuela, Paraguay, Ecuador or Peru give those teams a run for they money, then you would probably consider 50% of the UEFA teams Semi-Pro or Amateur.

Still, you sell your National Squad short, I was born in the 86' and, by what I lived, Portugal outperformed my country (Spain) up until 2008. Yet when Luis Garcia scored a hat-trick vs Slovakia in the 08' qualification play-offs I didn't think he rocked the world or that it was the "best individual performance" since Di Stefano with Spain, why? Because no one cared if Luis Garcia did that, if it was Raul, however, you would see that painted with epic traces like that Ronaldo performance.


You didn't mention Messi in your post? You're nurturing the idea that Ronaldo has done more taking Portugal to a EC final against a bunch of odd teams that no one expected in the last stages with a National team that already was making top 4 BEFORE he joined them, than Messi carrying Romero, Demichelis, Garay, Biglia, Gago, Enzo Perez, Palacio and Lavezzi to a WC final and back-to-back Copa America finals.

At least have the class of not bashing the Copa America level when Argentina put 4 on the US (top 16 in the last two world cups) if you're going to sell us an epic story about how Ronaldo's Portugal won the EC with the worst champion performance ever and him having to be subbed 20 minutes into the final. Saying Messi has to perform "when it matters most" because he lost 3 finals comparing him to the guy who achieved his titlte on the bench stinks of pettiness.

Biggest difference between what Ronaldo achieved with Portugal vs Messi with Argentina? Eder scored a goal with Ronaldo not playing, Higuain failed to score 2 times while Messi was still playing.


I'm saying that international competitions and stats are to be taken into consideration in a fair way, because if Eder scoring a goal and Higuain failing are the reasons between Messi and Cristiano's success or failure, then players like Villa, who turned eternal QF's Spain into EC and WC champions and has better silverware and stats than Maradona would also have a fair chance to be put with those players and no one is doing that. That marks the difference between supporting a player or going pants crazy overselling his merits

 

[Peyroteo]

You diminish Portugal, the 2000 EC semi-finalists and 2004 EC favourites Portugal? And they weren't favourite only for Ronaldo who wasn't a starter and had to earn his spot with 2 great performances in the first two games. The fact that a generation with Baia, Rui Costa, Figo, Pauleta, Couto, Abel Xavier, Paulo Sousa, Conceiçao or Nuno Gomes massively underperformed in world cup related stage doesn't take the quality away from that team, you're selling short the merits of your country pre-ronaldo to create epic poetry and that's cheap, and if you do that you can't point at Argentina as a "great team" when their stars (Higuain, Agüero) players disappear like that old Portuguese generation did in the 98' and 02' World Cup scenarios

Of course Ronaldo has 25 more official goals than Messi, he has 19 more games played and he competes in official matches (Euro Qualifying) that South American teams don't have. If you break their numbers:

Messi: 8 @ Copa America, 18 @ WC Quali, 5 @ WC tournament
Ronaldo: 9 @ Euro Cup, 24 @ WC Quali, 3 @ WC tournament, 20 @ Euro Quali

When you can put 4 goals into Andorra into an official match it sure turns things easier. But you probably haven't seen much South American football and think destroying Paraguay or Venezuela, even winning against Bolivia in La Paz comes for granted as scoring a brace against Latvia or Kazakhstan, go check the FIFA rankings to see the difference, or take a look at Brazil playing in La Paz

2013 Bolivia 0 Brazil 4
2005 Bolivia 2 Brazil 1
2005 Bolivia 1 Brazil 1
2001 Bolivia 3 Brazil 1
1997 Bolivia 1 Brazil 3 (Final of the 97' Copa America)
1993 Bolivia 2 Brazil 0

You think even a third part of the total UEFA zone teams could manage to get 3W,2D,2L at home vs Brazil? If Portugal had to get his WC spot fighting against Brazil, Chile, Uruguay and Colombia and then you saw how Venezuela, Paraguay, Ecuador or Peru give those teams a run for they money, then you would probably consider 50% of the UEFA teams Semi-Pro or Amateur.

Still, you sell your National Squad short, I was born in the 86' and, by what I lived, Portugal outperformed my country (Spain) up until 2008. Yet when Luis Garcia scored a hat-trick vs Slovakia in the 08' qualification play-offs I didn't think he rocked the world or that it was the "best individual performance" since Di Stefano with Spain, why? Because no one cared if Luis Garcia did that, if it was Raul, however, you would see that painted with epic traces like that Ronaldo performance.


You didn't mention Messi in your post? You're nurturing the idea that Ronaldo has done more taking Portugal to a EC final against a bunch of odd teams that no one expected in the last stages with a National team that already was making top 4 BEFORE he joined them, than Messi carrying Romero, Demichelis, Garay, Biglia, Gago, Enzo Perez, Palacio and Lavezzi to a WC final and back-to-back Copa America finals.

At least have the class of not bashing the Copa America level when Argentina put 4 on the US (top 16 in the last two world cups) if you're going to sell us an epic story about how Ronaldo's Portugal won the EC with the worst champion performance ever and him having to be subbed 20 minutes into the final. Saying Messi has to perform "when it matters most" because he lost 3 finals comparing him to the guy who achieved his titlte on the bench stinks of pettiness.

Biggest difference between what Ronaldo achieved with Portugal vs Messi with Argentina? Eder scored a goal with Ronaldo not playing, Higuain failed to score 2 times while Messi was still playing.


I'm saying that international competitions and stats are to be taken into consideration in a fair way, because if Eder scoring a goal and Higuain failing are the reasons between Messi and Cristiano's success or failure, then players like Villa, who turned eternal QF's Spain into EC and WC champions and has better silverware and stats than Maradona would also have a fair chance to be put with those players and no one is doing that. That marks the difference between supporting a player or going pants crazy overselling his merits

We were great in 2000, but 2002 also happened. In 2004 ronaldo made a huge impact for a 19 year old. In 2004 some of the players you listed didn't even play for us anymore. In 2006 every one of them were far from their best. I'm not embelishing anything, I'm saying it how it is and you can ask other portuguese football fans and they'll tell you the same thing.

You can go and check my comments a few weeks ago before Argentina's match in La Paz to see the nonsense you're talking about. I'm fully aware how hard it is to play in La Paz. And I'm also fully aware of why that's the case and it's certainly not due to their quality football...

For the tenth time I'm going to repeat myself. I'm not saying the european teams are much stronger than the south american teams. I'm saying that comparatevily since Cristiano plays for Portugal and Messi for Argentina it's much harder for him to win. Three comments in a row I've said this and three times you start comparing them directly when that's not what I'm doing at all. I'm not shitting on USA's team, they eliminated us from the last WC ffs... I'm saying the difference between Portugal and Croatia, Poland or Wales is A LOT smaller than Argentina and the US, Venezuela or Paraguay.

You talk of Messi carrying those players as if they're shit when they're much better than the portuguese counter parts. Palacio and Lavezzi are better strikers than anything we have. Enzo destroyed William in the latter's best ever season in Portugal. Garay was the best defender in a league where Fonte didn't have a place and Cedric was considered a liability. And I'm not even going into the Spain comparison... Jesus

And then you misunderstood me again. My first comment on this was about 30 lines on exactly how it's not winning Euro 16 that makes Ronaldo successful for us. In your last two paragraphs you're agreeing with what I'm saying... Did you read what I wrote?

 

[MJJ]

I don't think they are worse. Portugla are better than Argentina. This Euros Portugal were well organised. Where is this myth that they are poor coming from? They had a g ood goal keeper, Pep was arguably one of the best CBs in Europe last year, Nani and Quaresma have talent even though they haven't applied it over their careers, William Carvalho is an excellent player, Renato Sanchez was great, Rafa was a monster at LB and then you had El Kommander leading the attack and can head and finish, and everyone plays their roles. Argentina only have attackers. Portugal are balanced. So balanced that CR got injured and France really ever had only one chance taht whole game and never looked like scoring.

Argentina on the other hand have a sub par team. Romero, Rojo, their MF is laughable and noone can pass the ball to the forwards in good areas so Messi has to do everything and intervene in every move for the forwards to smell the ball, then they've got Aguero who is awful for the NT and flops worse than Higuain. There is too much politics in that team and so many great players they actually do have never get called up for whatever reason, instead they constantly pick the "big" names who flop every time. Look at Brazil to see what happens when a team has a competent manager.

 

[criticalanalysis]

I can't give a fair answer because I think I overrate him almost since he played for Zaragoza.

I mean, he's respected, that's already something not everyone has here, but he was crowned as heir to Raul when a lot of people thought Raul was still better and he was an "impostor" as the 7 in our NT, so he's treated kinda bad for everything he achieved with us.

Personally, I rate him at least as good as Suarez, or even better. To not completely derail this thread, I see how Portuguese people defend Ronaldo here, or Argentinians with Messi and I'm a little jealous. Club level he arrived to Barcelona little late and Messi was already the king, but international level? Insane player, 0'6 goals in his whole Spanish career (better than Messi and Ronaldo), 9 goals in 12 world cup matches, 4 in 4 European cups (missed the 2012 one due to a Injury), loads of clutch goals... we had a jewel and we didn't value him enough, we even were unfair with him before (he should've started playing with us maybe 2 years sooner) and at the end (2014 WC, Del Bosque didn't want to play him when he could've done a great job, he was almost forced to "retire" from the NT, even tho he never announced retiring and is still eligible afaik.

Villa is the example I usually use to put Messi and Ronaldo numbers in perspective, he might not be good enough to be in their tier, but he really tells the story of how a great player can make his numbers explode when surrounded with top class players, that's why Messi and Ronaldo seem untouchable at club level and yet they become human when we compare their international goals rate to their predecessors (both don't outshine guys like Batistuta, Pauleta or Villa itself if we look only at stats with the national team)

Thanks for the insight! Pretty much confirms most of what I thought/knew.

Love how he left Barca, only to end up winning the title with Atletico the next season. Even scored a brilliant team goal against them I remember.

I'm not Spanish, but I rate Villa in the top 10-15 strikers of all time.

That's pretty high praise. His record speaks for itself though.

 

[KingofNYC]

Honestly, if Real didnt have CR7, I think they would be a much better team. Real is stacked with goal scoring threats, but with cr7, they all have to play second fiddle to him.....

Watching their b team play is a lot better than watching BBC play.

Edit: It's very simple. Madrid is an OP TEAM compared to every team in Europe. Lose Ronaldo, what does Madrid lose mainly? Maybe the best aerial threat in football, but what else?????

GOALS that can be replaced by benzema, morata, james, bale, isco and asensio?

The younger generation of fans only see goals scored a good reason why David silva has been overlooked in England for so many years. Why Scholes got overlooked for lampard.

 

[Peyroteo]

They're playing second fiddle to Cristiano but not to Benzema or Bale? Benzema who hasn't scored in ten games or Bale who everytime he doesn't play sees the team go up a level? Nah... their star player, the guy scoring for fun in the biggest stage in world football is definitely the problem in a team that's close to winning the double.

It will be cool to see where players like Cristiano, Marcelo, Kroos and Modric will be next season to give room to this incredible B team. Who cares if you're beating the best in Europe when you can beat Granada and Leganes by 4?

 

[SCP]

Honestly, if Real didnt have CR7, I think they would be a much better team. Real is stacked with goal scoring threats, but with cr7, they all have to play second fiddle to him.....

Watching their b team play is a lot better than watching BBC play.

Yes right, what an expert you are, I guess Zidane doesn't know anything, if only he could be an visionary like you, there would be no place for Ronaldo.

 

[Prometheus]

Honestly, if Real didnt have CR7, I think they would be a much better team.

This must be a joke!

 

[Deleted member 101472]

The two most important parts of football are scoring goals and passing the ball.

Messi is just as good a goalscorer as Ronaldo and in the discussion for greatest passer of all time. Ronaldo wouldn't make a top 1000 for passing.

 

[SCP]

The two most important parts of football are scoring goals and passing the ball.

Messi is just as good a goalscorer as Ronaldo and in the discussion for greatest passer of all time. Ronaldo wouldn't make a top 1000 for passing.

Yes you should teach him your skills, ffs

 

[Deleted member 101472]

Yes you should teach him your skills, ffs

Mate, Ronaldo doesn't even take corners his passing is so bad

 

[SCP]

Oh man you are so funny mate, why don't you teach him you genius

 

[Deleted member 101472]

Oh man you are so funny mate, why don't you teach him you genius

I hope you realize that my last comment was sarcastic.

 

[SCP]

I hope you realize that my last comment was sarcastic.

We never know the level of arguments in this thread is Einstein level, no problem

 

[Attila]

Ronaldo has the mental strength which takes him to another level

 

[Berbasbullet]

I've always thought Ronnie was a very efficient passer of the ball. No it's not Messi levels, I saw a great compilation of some decent passes he has made over the years not long ago.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

Do people not get bored with this?

 

[Raoul]

Do people not get bored with this?

Many do, but we still keep it all in one thread so it doesn't pollute the other threads.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

It's all got a bit bonkers. People treat it as if there's a prize for getting to the right answer somehow. Bananas. But I guess even my objection is a contribution. Adieu.

 

[Peyroteo]

The two most important parts of football are scoring goals and passing the ball.

I think that's a very bold claim. I'm not sure what you even mean by it though. Do you mean those are the most important parts of football for a team in general? For any individual player? Or for an attacking player?

I think that Messi's passing gets overrated. He's brilliant at it, but best of all time is too far. I don't even think he's the best passer that's played in Barcelona the last few years.

And Ronaldo's passing gets underrated. I have no idea where this myth that he's not good at it started. He doesn't play those beautiful through balls as often as Messi does but passing is not just that and he's more than capable of playing those passes efficiently too. Real also play a different brand of football and you can't expect him to see him building up attacks when he's mostly played in counter attacking teams throughout his career.

I don't see the monumental difference in passing ability people like to make although Messi is the better of the two at it.

 

[IFC 1905]

Not biased at all. Messi overrated and ronaldo underrated.

I almost broke a rib laughing

 

[Moby]

Not biased at all.

 

[Jaxdan]

Two of the best players to ever play the game are playing right now for our viewing pleasure. I wish everyone could just realize and enjoy that fact rather than bickering over which one is 'better'. They are both greatness personified.

 

[KingofNYC]

Doesn't matter.

Every generation has their own GOATs. When they retire, someone new will come and the media will build them up as the GOAT.

Happens in all sports.

 

[Vialli_92]

The Ronaldo thread only gets bumped when he scores goals. He is anonymous when he's not being fed on a plate with chances to score goals.

Just goes to show when Real Madrid have their backs up against the wall and things are not going good for them he is unable to affect the game and drag his team to victory.

It's probably unfair to criticise him like that but when people are calling him better than Messi and one of the best of all time you have to judge him to that standard and he doesn't live up to that standard.

When the going gets tough it's players like Modric and Marcello who do all the dirty work and Ronaldo gets all the glory despite not being the one to impact the game.

I won't hide my dislike for Ronaldo and I am a huge Messi admirer but for me there is a clear gap between them. Messi does things that seem impossible and can bail his team out when they are not playing well. Ronaldo needs his team to set him up for chances to score or he is not able to have a big impact on matches.

 

[Sammyjunn]

It's true in a way but Messi the oast few years has disappointed too on the biggest stage when the team wasnt playing well. Juventus completely nullified him whilst Ronaldo won Bayern and Atletico almost single handedly. I think Messi is better but Ronaldo the past 3 years has been there more often enough in the biggest matches. He isnt as much a teamplayer compared to Messi though.

 

[Bole Top]

The Ronaldo thread only gets bumped when he scores goals.

this sounds a bit harsh, but it is very close to truth. I think their threads of caf correctly reflect on both of them.

when you check Ronaldo's thread, you are most likely to find weird "viva" jokes, stats and you can be sure that thread has been bumped because he scored 2 or 3 goals.

when you check Messi's thread, you don't really know what to expect. there will either be gifs of his latest wonder goals or gifs of his assists (or both), or it will be compilation of his passes or dribbling, or it will be videos of him destroying teams when he was kid. sometimes, the thread will be bumped simply because he did something that didn't result in goal or assist, but was so amazing that you needed to discuss it with others.

not saying that is the reason I rate him higher than Ronaldo, but...

 

[Theonas]

It's true in a way but Messi the oast few years has disappointed too on the biggest stage when the team wasnt playing well. Juventus completely nullified him whilst Ronaldo won Bayern and Atletico almost single handedly. I think Messi is better but Ronaldo the past 3 years has been there more often enough in the biggest matches. He isnt as much a teamplayer compared to Messi though.

That is a fair point but we can't forget that Juventus are better than Atlético nowadays and a better defensive unit to Bayern, certainly a 10 men Bayern. We also cannot forget that Barcelona are not functioning as a team nearly as much as Real are.

 

[shamans]

this sounds a bit harsh, but it is very close to truth. I think their threads of caf correctly reflect on both of them.

when you check Ronaldo's thread, you are most likely to find weird "viva" jokes, stats and you can be sure that thread has been bumped because he scored 2 or 3 goals.

when you check Messi's thread, you don't really know what to expect. there will either be gifs of his latest wonder goals or gifs of his assists (or both), or it will be compilation of his passes or dribbling, or it will be videos of him destroying teams when he was kid. sometimes, the thread will be bumped simply because he did something that didn't result in goal or assist, but was so amazing that you needed to discuss it with others.

not saying that is the reason I rate him higher than Ronaldo, but...

Then what exactly is the point?

 

[Peyroteo]

The Ronaldo thread only gets bumped when he scores goals. He is anonymous when he's not being fed on a plate with chances to score goals.

Just goes to show when Real Madrid have their backs up against the wall and things are not going good for them he is unable to affect the game and drag his team to victory.

It's probably unfair to criticise him like that but when people are calling him better than Messi and one of the best of all time you have to judge him to that standard and he doesn't live up to that standard.

When the going gets tough it's players like Modric and Marcello who do all the dirty work and Ronaldo gets all the glory despite not being the one to impact the game.

I won't hide my dislike for Ronaldo and I am a huge Messi admirer but for me there is a clear gap between them. Messi does things that seem impossible and can bail his team out when they are not playing well. Ronaldo needs his team to set him up for chances to score or he is not able to have a big impact on matches.

So much bullshit in this comment it's unreal. Keep hating him and he'll shut you up as usual.

"Just goes to show when Real Madrid have their backs up against the wall and things are not going good for them he is unable to affect the game and drag his team to victory." - I mean, wtf? Have you even watched Real Madrid the past few seasons ffs?

I'm not even sure you believe the crap you say in this thread

 

[Needham]

It's insane credit to Ronaldo that this debate could even have been had over the last decade. He has been -or was- keeping pace in his own way with a GOAT. There wasn't a player up for comparable discussion when Maradona was the best playing talent on the planet. Even Zico wasn't ever quite the same grade.

 

[IFC 1905]

whilst Ronaldo won Bayern and Atletico almost single handedly..

Ronaldo has hardly ever won something single handedly at Madrid. He has the best service the world can offer.

 

[Moby]

Just goes to show when Real Madrid have their backs up against the wall and things are not going good for them he is unable to affect the game and drag his team to victory.

Unlike Messi did vs Juve

 

[Cal?]

Ronaldo has hardly ever won something single handedly at Madrid. He has the best service the world can offer.

Indeed, it's so easy to score lots of goals when playing for Madrid, just look at Bale, Benzema & co's goalscoring record.


Oh wait...

 

[Peyroteo]

Ronaldo has hardly ever won something single handedly at Madrid. He has the best service the world can offer.

Has football started 2 years ago? When Messi had one of if not the best midfield of all time + Dani Alves, Villa, Pedro, etc. behind him and Cristiano had Xabi, Granero, Khedira, Diarra, Arbeloa, etc... then there was no problem and everything was fair. Now Cristiano has a proper midfield behind him when he's no longer in his prime and things are unfair on poor Messi who is playing alongside Neymar and Suarez.

Noone in the entire history of football has won titles single handedly. You can contribute a great deal and Cristiano has certainly done that several times.

 

[prath92]

Ronaldo has hardly ever won something single handedly at Madrid. He has the best service the world can offer.

Yeah not like Messi has had Xavi iniesta villa and now Neymar and Suarez or something. He has always created and scored goals all on his own. Even does goalkeeping for barca

 

[Sammyjunn]

Yeah not like Messi has had Xavi iniesta villa and now Neymar and Suarez or something. He has always created and scored goals all on his own. Even does goalkeeping for barca

This is false, Messi isnt supplier anymore at Barcelona. Suarez does jack shit by the way.

 

[ryadmahrez]

Has football started 2 years ago? When Messi had one of if not the best midfield of all time + Dani Alves, Villa, Pedro, etc. behind him and Cristiano had Xabi, Granero, Khedira, Diarra, Arbeloa, etc... then there was no problem and everything was fair. Now Cristiano has a proper midfield behind him when he's no longer in his prime and things are unfair on poor Messi who is playing alongside Neymar and Suarez.

Noone in the entire history of football has won titles single handedly. You can contribute a great deal and Cristiano has certainly done that several times.

Granero, Arbeloa, Diarra lmao! Naming only defenders and defensive midfielders. What an accurate description.

 

[IFC 1905]

Yeah not like Messi has had Xavi iniesta villa and now Neymar and Suarez or something. He has always created and scored goals all on his own. Even does goalkeeping for barca

Has football started 2 years ago? When Messi had one of if not the best midfield of all time + Dani Alves, Villa, Pedro, etc. behind him and Cristiano had Xabi, Granero, Khedira, Diarra, Arbeloa, etc... then there was no problem and everything was fair. Now Cristiano has a proper midfield behind him when he's no longer in his prime and things are unfair on poor Messi who is playing alongside Neymar and Suarez.

Noone in the entire history of football has won titles single handedly. You can contribute a great deal and Cristiano has certainly done that several times.

Who named Messi? Anyways let's be real on something, even if I agree that no one can win matches (never mind titles) single handedly.... Messi has the ability to generate a goal on his entire own (and not depending on his teammates) that Ronaldo hasn't (or he had it and he sacrifaced it). I've never seen Ronaldo scoring a goal at Madrid like the ones Messi did vs Madrid (UCL 2011), vs Getafe (2007), vs Bilbao (2015) or vs Zaragoza (2010) - just to name a few that comes to my mind - Those are the closest thing to win something single handedly. And has done it with or without the midfield.

 

[Peyroteo]

Granero, Arbeloa, Diarra lmao! Naming only defenders and defensive midfielders. What an accurate description.

I named people who regularly started at the time Cristiano started in Madrid. I mentioned Barça's midfield and defense and Real's. I could have said Kaka and Higuain at that time and it would have fitted the argument too.