Messi at the World Cup - No Ronaldo comparisons!
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Firstly, your sentance ordering makes it very hard to read your posts, secondly do you believe any of that?
Is there where I said he wasn't?
People kept mentioning the Scudetto winning team but couldn't mention others because there was none to say. They also failed to point out that, Roma won the league at the time they have these players they kept mentioning, with Totti as the playmaker. However, the main players in that winning team were aging players, compared to Messi's team mates who were at their peak for more than 3 yrs.
This at least support my opinion that if Totti was continously supported with fantastic cast like Messi was, he would have been much more revered.
mate, you really don't know what you are talking about
you make assuptioms about things you've never seen
In an idealistic world, maybe, but that's so detached from reality. Things don't always work how you expect in football, who's to say he wouldn't have been less revered (if you're opening statement about player's quality is true) if he had a better support? Perhaps he'd have sat back a bit and not become what he was/did become, again I digress, nor do I believe that's a likely outcome, it merely goes to show one of the many assumptions that could be very wrong you assumed while making your claim.
this will probably sound both strange and crazy to some of you, but I'd actually argue that Messi never really was surrounded with many trully world class players (I know, that term again). he also never really worked under great manager (besides pep). it seems that Barca's recent domination led people to believe that they were full of expensive superstars on every position (like Real were back in galactico era), but that really wasn't the case in my opinion. it seemed that Barca were declining after we eliminated them in cl semifinal, they were about 20 points behind Real in la liga and if I'm not mistaken, Xavi even wanted to leave. but then Pep arrived and the rest is history. it's easy to say NOW that Messi has/had perfect support because Guardiola's system brought the best out of them, but how many of you would have swapped Busquets for Makelele or Pedro for Figo in pre-Guardiola era? I must admit, I haven't even heard of them untill Pep arrived, let alone thought they were better than them. even now, most people would still say that Zidane is better than Iniesta. name for name, in my opinion, Barcelona never really had the better first 11 than Real. instead, they had perfect system for Messi, Iniesta and Xavi and that was that made them so dominant. I doubt Pedro would score 45 goals in two season had he played for United, I never rated Valdes, Pique was never as good as Vidic or Terry but was perfect for their system, playing Mascherano in defence would look silly in any other system etc etc. they were all good players, but individually they weren't even close to players that Real had in galactico era. what I want say is, Messi would probably have much better support if he went to Bayern or Real because in my opinion, they have better teams than Barca. the only difference between those teams is, of course, Messi and even that probably isn't enough anymore.
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He was backed up by Xavi and Iniesta at their absolute sublime peak, as well as other plays at different times like Ronaldinho, Henry (albeit not in his prime), Ibrahimovic, Eto'o etc. Some incredible players have played alongside and just behind him.
Pique and Valdes weren't/aren't world class but they weren't the players feeding Messi so its not particularly relevant, Barca's strength was never the defence, it was that ridiculous midfield and an insane attacking force spearheaded by the best player in the world. Once they started to decline, the defence has started to get found out.
The one constant in all those incredible Barca teams, is Messi.
He took Barca from being a "world class" team, to being considered one of the greatest ever.
IMO, he was the cutting edge. Without him Barca have always looked toothless. So yeah, he's played with incredible players. World class players, but it's always been clear that he was on a different level to all of them. All IMO of course.
I'd agree with that, but what I'm saying is he did have some excellent support. I don't think any team could match the midfield support that comes from Xavi and Iniesta at their prime.
Wait, whaaaaaattt....
Are people comparing Totti to Messi? What did I miss?
Are people comparing Totti to Messi? What did I miss?
Absolutely. Sorry, were on the same point I guess
It's an incredible achievement if you think about it. To be on the same field as a prime Xavi/Iniesta & still more often then not, looking a class above
Probably the highest compliment you can pay him.
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Sounds like I missed a peach! Can't be arsed to go back and read up now.
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Sounds like I missed a peach! Can't be arsed to go back and read up now.
It's worth it for the 'Gerd Muller being nothing special' remark alone.
WUM surely?
It's having the ability to turn a game around, irrespective of the player's team mates' performance or his form.
In other words, someone who can fashion out his own goalscoring chances, in the case of a forward.
And erom what I saw from Muller's clips, he's quite similar to Klose. A Fox in the box with fantastic movement, nothing more.
From Barca forum:
After two rounds in the WC Messi has the most MotM awards along with Benzema (Two)
He's dribbled past opponents 14 times, more than anyone else in the competition.
He's scored/created all three of Argentina's goals.
.... and apparently he's still finding his feet in the competition. Can't wait till he does.
After two rounds in the WC Messi has the most MotM awards along with Benzema (Two)
He's dribbled past opponents 14 times, more than anyone else in the competition.
He's scored/created all three of Argentina's goals.
.... and apparently he's still finding his feet in the competition. Can't wait till he does.
WUM surely?
Definitely a WUM. He's funny though so we'll see how long he can keep it up for. He's an expert now on Gerd Muller despite apparently not having watched any professional football prior to Zidane's golden years.
Yet Spain with won the Euro 2008 while playing sublime football without Messi.
Yes, because they had an in form Torres (and then Villa). Two genuinely world class finishers, both of whome could play a bit. Villa proved that by being part of Barcelona's brilliant team in 2011.
I said Zidane and Totti are the two most elegant player for me. However Messi's fanboi started to shine their teeth, can't I have my own preference again?
Yeah no, personal preference is fine. Elegant could mean different things to different people.
As long as u didn't say BETTER!
That's one of the stupidest things someone has said here for a long time.
However, Eto'o and Henry are better. So what's the point?
That makes Ish84045's point redundant anyway. The Barca team has many great players, it wasn't Messi that transform the team to a great team.
Henry was past his prime when he went to Barcelona, just like you said Ronaldo was when he was with Madrid
You can't force your opinion on me brah.
For me, there's nothing Messi did that Totti can't, except not being in one of the greatest team of all time. Also, Totti's technique is never depended on pace or quick burst.
If anyone can't stand my preference, they can go nut for all I care.
What the feck am I reading here?
I don't care for your preference. You can prefer djemba djemba for all I care. But there's no way totti was more talented than messi. At least you and totti's mum now have something in common.
Top newb talent.
He wasn't a crock though and his lower level was still quite good.Henry was past his prime when he went to Barcelona, just like you said Ronaldo was when he was with Madrid
The number of appearance of Fat 'The Crock' Ronaldo for Real Madrid (counting only the years when he played with Zidane):
2002-2003 44
2003-2004 48
2004-2005 45
2005-2006 27
Only 12 games less than Zidane (average 3 games less than Zidane for year). Not bad for a crock, eh?
What what? Did he said that Muller was nothing special? This is becoming better and better.
How low can you get?
And if you don't care, it won't agitate you like this.
How low can you get?
And if you don't care, it won't agitate you like this.
Let's talk about Messi at the World Cup again?
Proper HD compilations, 14:42 and 17:32 minutes long respectively. For those who have missed the games or are interested in rewatching condensed highlight reels of Messi's tournament thus far.
Proper HD compilations, 14:42 and 17:32 minutes long respectively. For those who have missed the games or are interested in rewatching condensed highlight reels of Messi's tournament thus far.
I hate to break the news to some of you but so far the best players are Van Persie, Robben and Muller, the rest are average so far.
Muller didn't turn games around irrespective of his team-mates' performances? 4 European Cup campaigns, 4 EC Final goals. 3 International tournament semi-finals (well, the 1974 WC equivalent), 5 goals. Two international tournament finals, 3 goals. And it's not like they were spread out throughout his career, they're just one after another. And I can assure you that his team were the inferior side in some of those games and wouldn't have won it without him.