nothing, except that maybe you haven't seen him playing, THAT Maradona, I mean
Messi at the World Cup - No Ronaldo comparisons!
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what was the other chance? the 30 yard free kick?
He had one clear opportunity to score and narrowly missed. The defence got them past Holland, that's it. Argentina were fairly cautious throughout and they certainly invited teams to come and have a go at them, even Belgium. I personally think people have just gotten a bit too excited and Argentina losing and are going way way overboard with their criticisms. After all they were only defeated in extra time by a brilliant team that are strong from back to front.
In addition to that he's obviously got issues with his fitness, it's clear as day, when you take everything into account it's not as if he's in the perfect set up or conditions to just go and have a go at winning these games and the World cup is he?
Glad to see some press conference fodder from Mourinho carries more clout than winning the biggest prize of all.
Yep which is why I said up until the quarters he had turned up and performed. There werent many Argentina's attackers who played well my point really has nothing to do with it. More the fact that Messi really did have a good chance of elevating himself with two very good chances you would hope Messi on a normal day would score or atleast cause a top save. This is reguardless of how poor the other attackers were.
He completely shanked the first one just a poor finish all together. Also he scored a free kick from that position earlier in the competition so it really was a chance for him.
Surely Zidane's greater than Messi? Zidane always triumphed on the biggest stage, not sure you could say the same about Messi. History will judge Messi as a great club player who played for the greatest club side in history. Zidane on the other hand performed when it really mattered, and had a career full of iconic moments.
I'm really disappointed that Messi did not light up this World Cup like he definitely had the ability to. That's probably his chance gone now to really cement his place alongside Pele and Maradona.
I don't think the Argentinian tactics were good at all in an attacking sense but we cannot speak of what might have been, only what was.
I don't think the Argentinian tactics were good at all in an attacking sense but we cannot speak of what might have been, only what was.
Sorry, but Messi also performed when it really mattered, in the CL for example. Just cause he didn't win the WC doesn't mean he can't perform when it really matters.
What a farce of a deceision. You know things are wrong when even good old corrupt Blatter is "surprised" by it. But maybe he's just a Messi "hater".
No and this is starting to get silly now. Zidane was a brilliant player, one of the most elegant players you'll ever see on the ball, but he was ridiculously inconsistent, and no way near as good as Messi has been since 2009, not even close.
fecking incredible how many are out to dig the knife into Messi right now after last night. Everything he's achieved seems to have gone out the window. Those who were saying he was in and around Pele/Maradona have now changed their tune. Massive knee-jerk reaction.
I've decided he's a player who needs the sunshining on his backside for him to perform. When the chips are down...now that's a different matter.
I seem to remember Messi playing very well against United in the 2009 and 2011 champions league finals. IMO Messi is up there with the greatest of all time. He is unfortunate that he happens to be playing in one of the worst Argentina sides. What he achieved from 2009-2012 was sensational I doubt it will ever be matched.
Spoony is wu... never mindSpoon would you say that the French supporting cast was far superior to that at Messi's disposal at International level. Henry v Higuain? Viera and Makalele... Ribery on the wings. Put Messi in that french team, would he have delivered? I think he would have in all honesty. I feel for Messi in that there was no Di Maria/Aguero fully fit.. it was a very limited support cast he had on his side in terms of attacking threat and yet they still carved out the best chances.
I love Zizou for what its worth and believe he was a better big match player internationally, more entertaining to boot.. but I do think Messi's support cast is weaker and it deserves to be taken into account.
only three days ago it was Messi vs Maradona. day after the final it was Messi vs Platini. now it's Messi vs Zidane. I'm pretty sure it will be Messi vs Marcelo Gallardo when I wake up tomorrow.
This might give Messi the impetus he needs to make the most of his career to be fair, he'd have conquered the game at 27.. now he's got to prove himself still, I just hope they get to the bottom of his illness, clearly something is not right.
Yeah Zidane won't be remembered as a guy who played with the galacticos and in a French team bursting with talent. Oh wait, he is!
Half agree. He doesn't need to prove himself, but he does need to sort his fitness out. Luis Enrique should be making that number one priority. Whoever's idea it was to allow him to keep dropping deep for Argentina in this tournament needs kicking. What he did show in the first half though is that he's as sharp as he's always been when he gets the run on the opposition.
I suspect all will be forgotten next season when he's back to breaking more records for Barcelona, but the knee jerk reactions right now are a bit annoying, and extremely unfair on him.
That's exactly what I was implying.
Yea exactly
I wonder how good pele would do if he was in messi's current Argentina side, since many like to rate him has the greatest, nothing to do with the fact he was in 1970's Brazilian outfit. And not once have I seen messi cheat his way to the final like a mr certain maradona had to do to beat england
If I was messi, I should be glad my legacy is not built around the hand of god, which Maradona is remembered more for that, than his world cup achievements.
Both pele and maradona are flawed
pele was lucky he played in the 1970's Brazilian team
maradona is known for cheating his way past england
Great players, but Messi's Argentina was not their time, it was Spain and Germany's time
Maradona's legacy is not built around the hand of god.
I don't consider him a great player because he could hit the ball with his hand yet make it seem like he header.
And Pele would do quite well in what is a good Argentina side.
If you're going to do it, this is how:
This is how you don't:
Look at those tons of Messi haters Well the fact remains, your team will never ever have any player half his stature or caliber. It's his era. His name is embedded in history more than any player of current generation. And the fact that you guys get annoyed beacuse of him is even more funny. No wonder why you have a 46-page thread just for his WC performance!
Well the fact remains, your team will never ever have any player half his stature or caliber. It's his era. His name is embedded in history more than any player of current generation. And the fact that you guys get annoyed beacuse of him is even more funny. No wonder why you have a 46-page thread just for his WC performance!And of course scoring the goal of the century, scoring two goals in the semi and setting up the winner in the final. The guy was phenomenal in 86.
Pele won the world cup in '58 as a 17 year old, set up a goal in his first game, scored the decisive goal in the quarters, became the youngest player to ever score a world cup hat trick in the semis and scored 2 goals in the final including one all time great world cup goal.
I seriously don't understand why the achievements of the past need to be belittled in order to prop up lesser achievements in the present. Messi is obviously a very fine footballer who's career so far is littered with magnificent achievements. Sadly great world cup performances aren't among them.
such a WUM. You could have picked someone close at least.Maradona's (legacy) is of "single handedly" winning stuff (by cheating).
I used to love watching Zidane. He made football wonderful to watch.
But in truth, he's simply nowhere near messi. Huge gulfs between the two of them. Messi can do things (and has) on a football pitch with brutal consistency I've never seen before, that zidane simply never had in him. And they both turned up for big games. Spoons is crazy about maradona though so the messi WUMs are expected.
People need to stop comparing players from different eras and from different positions and Argentina will only benefit if they stop comparing Maradona with Messi, let Messi be Messi.
Pele and Maradona are names that will always be greater then Messi and rightfully so, I don't think Messi would be half of the player he's been if he was not apart of a great Barcelona side and I think he knows that himself.
I don't even see a decline with him, I only decline with Barcelona and with that Messi is being exposed for what he is, a player who needs to be in a fantastic team to shine. Messi playing for Argentina 2014 has probably been the best Messi that's ever turned up for Argentina.
I don't even see a decline with him, I only decline with Barcelona and with that Messi is being exposed for what he is, a player who needs to be in a fantastic team to shine. Messi playing for Argentina 2014 has probably been the best Messi that's ever turned up for Argentina.
With regards to the former, I don't think so. I personally think he'll be regarded as either the greatest or on par with pele and maradona at worst. He's being talked about as such from the age of 24 and he's only 27.
The second bit is proper bullshit. Suarez shined for Liverpool. You think messi would gave struggled last season at Liverpool? And if so, I guess you think Suarez is better than messi
And? he still had great players around him, you are only has good as the players in your team, world cups have been about the teams, not the individuals. You can have great individuals, if its not a collective team, you win nothing
Messi has done things at club level that maradona can only dream of doing also, how many times he has won world player of the year, a 3 time european champion, his goals tally is freakish. He still got to a world cup final, the demands that has been placed on messi since 2006 for club and international football, has been greater than any player I have seen in a good while. His 9 years at the top is probably the best run I have seen from any player, in terms of the standards placed on him. So to keep that standard of football is very difficult from a mental and physical level, you can see at times it is taking its tole. You can see that with the spanish, sooner or later the levels drop
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Maradona's (legacy) is of "single handedly" winning stuff (by cheating).
Zidane is the greater player. Once the dust settles you'll agree as well. How can you compare a bottler to a truly big game player?
Agreed. Messi scored in two champions league finals. Zidane head butted his nations hopes away. And messi's record in classicos is in a different stratosphere.
yea the same guy who cost france a world cup, imagine if messi done that?
It would have been nuts, that. Good thing it never happened.
If we looked at the team zidane played in for france in 1998, how good was that team?
He can't do it when the chips are down.
Except he's done that consistently for years and years. A time during which he's been considered the best player on the planet for 4 years in a row. How many years were maradona and zidane thought of as so clearly better than other footballers?
Excellent.
Considered best by whom? He's been neck and neck with Ronaldo. If anything Ronaldo's the more complete footballer. And unlike Messi, doesn't need Xavi to shine.
Most people without a bias, contemporaries etc. It's not really been neck and neck. Wrong thread for that, btw.