This is what im thinking
His national team is terrible in all honesty
Messi at the World Cup - No Ronaldo comparisons!
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His national team is terrible in all honesty
I thought Germany, Spain final myself
Second tier with likes of Puskas, Eusebio , below Di Stefano and Cryuff
His 1st good World Cup. Could've crowned himself by making a huge play in the finale but it wasn't meant to be. Definitely a redeeming performance by him though.
where's the team leader?
Please, don't blasfemate anymore comparing Messi to gods like Maradona, Cruyff and Platini (I've not seen Pele or Best).
How many times is this going to happen before someone recognises Messi's obviously not well? He's been puking up on pitches more often this season. I look at the guy and you just get the feeling there's something really wrong there that's been covered up by people with a vested interest e.g. Argentina's FA, Barcelona and all the other people who use him as a marketing/revenue raising tool.
Messi is a CF, Maradona was a CM ; people seem to forget about that.
And yes Messi hasn't got what it takes to be captain, neither do Iniesta, nor Pele I think. Doesn't take anything form being great or the greatest. It's not a mandatory criterion.
And yes Messi hasn't got what it takes to be captain, neither do Iniesta, nor Pele I think. Doesn't take anything form being great or the greatest. It's not a mandatory criterion.
Maradona was far from a CM.
he is. has always been. check the 1986 or 1990 squads.
what's the position of kroos? same thing
what's the position of kroos? same thing
not at all, Maradona played everywhere on the pitch, you can't imprisoned a genius like him with tactical schemes
yeah he did. he was an amazing defender and the greatest goalkeeper of all time !!
Oh dear God. Have you even watched Argentina/Di Maria at this World Cup.
This thread has so much irrationate hate it's insane. What are you even in about? Those fellows are gods, they're footballers. And one isn't even considered close to messi by anyone.
where's the team leader?
Please, don't blasfemate anymore comparing Messi to gods like Maradona, Cruyff and Platini (I've not seen Pele or Best).
I didn't meant that, but have a look at his matches and look where he did get the ball (because it was Maradona who played the ball, not Mascherano or Biglia..instead of Messi)
Not surprising.
Why does Messi have so much haters I really don't get it? Undeserving golden ball? Seriously?... I mean you could argue for a few players that deserved it.. 3-4 perhaps.. but Messi included aswell, totaly undeserved? come on...
There is no witch hunt against Messi guys. We're just disagreeing about his position amongst the greats. Which implies it is a foregone conclusion that he is among the greats. Top 10, 5, 3, or 1... he's made it already. This is not something memes should be made about ffs
What hatred?! This thread has so much irrational praise, like the game of football exist since 2009 or that the game it's just like numbers without emotions.
Yeah arguing against his standing compared platini. That's not irrational at all.
Ah so you thought you'd balance those voices out with the exact opposite. Makes sense.
I've not watched Platini as much as Messi, but I know he was/is a great of the game. Dominated Serie A when it was the top league in the world. Was excellent for France as well. Is Messi exceedingly better than Platini was? I don't know
He probably is given most people consider messi right up there in the mix of the debrate of greatest ever. Platini is always considered in the next tier, or the one after that.
Also he didn't say "messi isn't exceedingly better than platini". He pleaded for people to stop comparing messi to a " god" like platini. You're showing your own bias if you don't find statements like that a little strange.
I think Pele himself would have been crucified today. I blame internet 
and messi dominated La Liga when it was the top league in the world, and he did so in a way Platini didnt even dream of
To be fair, Platini is also one player whose standing is significantly hurt by not winning a World Cup. His Euro '84 winning performance was something else, very few individual performances at tournaments top it and had he played on that level in one of the World Cups, he'd be right up there with the best of all time in my opinion. His club form certainly can't be questioned. But a mean German team denied him twice the chance to play in a World Cup final. I've met quite a few reasonable people who consider him the best European player of all time ahead of Beckenbauer and Cruyff. It's not completely irrational to name him between those players, even though it doesn't happen that often. The whole 'you have to win the World Cup dilemma' isn't something new and significantly influences the standing in the game of many great players. It's not something that was invented to criticise Messi. The whole blasphemy comment was of course nonsense, but Platini often is very underrated in these discussions.
You are confirming exactly the point i"m trying to make. Maradona was a playmaker which is a CM's responsibility. Messi is not a playmaker, neither was Pele.
Edit: In fact that was the main problem I had with Argentina before this world cup that beside the expectation of them having a crappy defence - which turned out to be wrong - , they don't have a playmaker.
I even said that they should get 35 years old Riquelme or 34 Aimar if they can't find any, but they have to have one. They didn't. And that was their weakest point throughout the tournament. No connection between the defence and the attack.
I must cut Messi some slack here. I kinda liked him years ago, when he really brought his A game in every big game and never failed to me. I guess my sympathy was also based on the fact that I really detested Ronaldo and his antics. However, in the meanwhile things change a bit and I realized what a hard worker Ronaldo is and that it's primarily all about football for him. Still think his ego sometimes gets in his way and his teams could probably be more successful if it wasn't centered around him, but maybe even then it's not his fault but the managers.
So, back to Messi. It felt like he was declining a bit in recent years, and not because he was over his prime - physically unlikely since he's still young - but more because he seemed to be putting less effort in the game. I thought his success maybe got to his head. I was also one of the guys who criticised his performances in the games during group stage. He had his moments but was pretty invisible for the rest of the game and I thought that he was really lucky in those moments. But he was immense yesterday. He was a constant threat to the German defense and played some great passes. Moreover, he also delivered in the other knock-out games.
All in all, he did pretty pretty well this world cup. I don't think he was the stand-out performer and it is undoubtly deserved for him to win the Golden Ball, but it's an okay choice. He probably wasn't fit 100%, so that should also be taken into account.
So, back to Messi. It felt like he was declining a bit in recent years, and not because he was over his prime - physically unlikely since he's still young - but more because he seemed to be putting less effort in the game. I thought his success maybe got to his head. I was also one of the guys who criticised his performances in the games during group stage. He had his moments but was pretty invisible for the rest of the game and I thought that he was really lucky in those moments. But he was immense yesterday. He was a constant threat to the German defense and played some great passes. Moreover, he also delivered in the other knock-out games.
All in all, he did pretty pretty well this world cup. I don't think he was the stand-out performer and it is undoubtly deserved for him to win the Golden Ball, but it's an okay choice. He probably wasn't fit 100%, so that should also be taken into account.
I'm saying MARADONA was the team leader everywhere he played, while in the actual Argentina it seems the leader is Mascherano although Messi is the official captain.
Not sure why you think that is irrational. Platini was a fantastic player.
passarella was the argentinian team leader of the team that qualified for mexico 1986, in fact, we were minutes away from not qualifying, and maradona, who played that game, was completeley annonimous
but, dont listen to me, i'm just an argie that has been following argentina since the 80
Because it is irrational. Fantastic player or not, the idea that he is "god" who were definitely must never ever compare to messi's makes no sense.
Eh? Who are most people? Why should that matter to me?
Well that was a stupid comment from him. My general point (there is none) still stands
Thanks for the clarification. I said I didn't know enough to say either way ffs
It's ok, I've seen myself only the world cup 82 and 86 beside Serie A during the eighties and nineties (the toughest league in the world, ever - Zico playing for Udinese, a kind of Southampton). Honestly, I don't know almost nothing about qualification matches in South America.
i don't know what i said that it was that wrong, you said Platini dominated Serie A, and i said Messi did the same in la liga but better
cheeeeesus, everyone's acting weird today
maybe because it´s monday
note to self, do not log on the caf on mondays
Aye. I'm a bit upset given it's monday. Anyone has a spare $3000 lying around?
Neuer has more passes completed as a Goalkeeper than Messi, just saying.
Messi has never been a leader really. No one could/would argue otherwise but at the same time it's not a huge stick to beat him with. You can't teach someone to be a leader, Maradona is a born leader while Messi is an introvert.
No shots, though. Extremely disappointing given he played 690 minutes. Bayern should get rid.
Neuer has more passes completed as a Goalkeeper than Messi, just saying.