Messi is in WC final. And a certain individual is on vacation after exit from group stage.
Deal with it.
Messi at the World Cup - No Ronaldo comparisons!
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Messi is in WC final. And a certain individual is on vacation after exit from group stage.
Deal with it.
I remember watching that world cup and thinking the same thing. They had other good players too. In most world cups people exaggerate players performances and say they single handedly won it. They did it with zidane in 1998 too. He was arguably more influential in 2006. I thought ronaldos performances in 2002 were great, especially after he came back from that severe injury. Surely messi would be considered in the top three ever from his great performances and consistency from 2008-2011 and not just one match (even if it is a final). He has had much better performances for Barcelona over the years and against much better teams than the mediocrity this tournament has served, yet he seems to be being praised more for these performances simply because it is a world cup and it is the "highest stage". Its crazy. Top three player of all time for me no matter what happens tomorrow.
I agree messi is better than Ronaldo in general but not this year. This year undoubtedly CL > WC by many miles.
Yup he wasn't great, but no attacker in this game was either. Even Arjen--in-the-form-of-life-Robben didn't do much either.
Pogue put it well in another thread in another subject. People condense these memories into a highlight reel.
So something that happened 5 years ago has made you hate a club and a player. Sir Alex and Didier Drogba has gotten over it so so should you surely.
Not what you wrote before. Claiming that Ronaldo will win it for sure if Argentina loses is a load of nonsense, since recent history shows that not always the case.
That's subjective. His goal against Iran was excellent and obviously key timing, but it was on the back of an underwhelming performance when I think everyone was expecting Argentina to use those games to stake their claim as potential champions. Not sure any of his other goals have been 'more important' than others we've seen this tournament.
I know the post you are referring too and I agree completely with it.
its so good to see a neutral fan, it really is.
Thanks buddy
.Messi has still been very influential. It was his great play late in extra time against Swiss that released Di Maria for the winner. Against Belgium, he initiated the attack for Pipita's goal and gave arguably the pass of the tournament only for Di Maria to miss it. Today, he wasn't that good but he still managed to create two great chances in extra time. One which Palacio fecked up with that header and the other which Maxi didn't connect properly on the volley. Considering how tightly he has been marked throughout the tournament, he has been amongst the best players in this world cup.
It's scary though. After this it's a couple of weeks rest and back to playing 60 games in 9 months (or injuries). One wonders how long you can keep at it.
Ronaldo will also finally have to get to grips with his knee now. There's just no rotation for these guys, at an era of squads with 16 or 17 players of 30m+ caliber. Short termism at it's finest.
This.
Even at the end of ET he had a dribble from the right side and sent a nice cross to unmarked Maxi Rodriguez. Not bad for someone who is supposedly lost his pace and dribbling ability.
You're right. Too much for some people to deal with though. It's easier to point out mistakes.
If Messi isnt carrying this team, I want to know who is.Are people just going to conveniently forget that Messi is the attack for Argentina in this world cup? Today was his worst performance of this world cup and Argentina barely did a thing of note going forward - Its not a coincidence. Aguero/Higuain/Di Maria have been awful, going into the world cup everyone thought Argentina's defense would be the undoing of them and the attack would give them a chance. Its been completly the opposite. Rooney scored 4 goals in 2004 and people still harp on about that performance. Messi has scored 4 arguably higher caliber and crucial goals this world cup and people think he is poor. He is a victim of his own really high standards.
I've seen some ridiculous things in my time but that's exceptional. Well done.
Yeah, it's an indication of a player not being good when he scores important goals. Every time.
Messi was great at this WC. And this game, everytime he had the ball he had at least 2 dutch players on him. How can anybody belittle Messi for this game I won't understand.
Looks half hearted in my opinion. Don't know hoiw many times he lost possession with his arrogant runs and passes. The few times he actually did run that is.
If he doesn't give his all in a semi final why do people think he suddenly will put on a magic show in the final.
If he doesn't give his all in a semi final why do people think he suddenly will put on a magic show in the final.
talk about meltdown
Ronaldo, is that you? Just enjoy your holidays, and let the best player in the world do his thing. You can watch him Sunday in the World Cup final if you want.
The World Cup clearly isn't the highest level in terms of pure quality anymore. Those days are long gone. It still remains the biggest prize, though. And people will bang on about Maradona winning it in '86 forever if Messi doesn't finish his career with a WC title to his name. It's not rational - but there you go.
He's right you know. It's not like the Germans will allow him space and time, and we expect they should be more experienced than the dutch side.
Oh, he's right about Messi making "arrogant" runs? Thought that was incredibly stupid myself. Explain.
Actually I just agreed with the last part, I don't expect him to put on a show.
Idiotic to think he's also not giving his all. Some people in this thread should just tack a topless photo of Ronaldo to their wall and get busy.
He scored 27 club goals in 2014 alone.
Final coming up...
Why is it anytime someone makes an argument against Messi, it's likened to a proliferation of toss for Ronaldo?
Well he was actually awesome against Belgium, just his moments of danger were so seperated by inactivity and being marked out the game that it's hard to see the overall collective of his performance, individually he created 5-6 brilliant chances all by himself. He faded towards the end but was very much the key player for argentina.
Is it Messi's attitude that is holier then thou though? I don't see it. Xavi to me is the most irritating and petulant footballer on the planet, but holding a grudge against him because of his team seems a bit much.
Well If you take away his Bosnia game winning goal Argentina only get 1 point, and bosnia get a point.
If you take away his Iran game winning goal Argentina only get 1 point and Iran get a point.
If you take away his two goals against Nigeria Argentina get 0 points and Nigeria gets 3 points.
The table would then look like:
Nigeria - 7
Bosnia - 4
Argentina - 2
Iran - 2
The goals were all game deciding, and they in fact did help Argentina progress, clearly. I don't know where you got the idea that 3 game winning goal factors are somehow irrelevant to progressing.
because the juxtapositions are often blatantly designed to flatter the latter.
And in any case, how many times do you hear the opposite argument, that any time anyone criticizes ronaldo, it's because they love Messi?
Hell i hear the opposite far more often honestly. Ronaldo is way more popular as a super star as he's got way more star appeal. I've heard 3 times someone say Ronaldo is being criticized because so and so loves messi for every one time i hear the opposite.
All in all, he's clearly not going to be considered at the same level as Maradona, whether they win on Sunday or not. HOWEVER, certainly he is now in the same category as Beckenbauer, Cruyff and Zidane and/or a couple others who are just one notch below. Although his quarterfinal and semifinal performances have not produced any goals or assists, there should be no question that Argentina would simply not have made the final without him. The Belgian and Dutch defenses were organized to stop him, and despite this, he is always dangerous, has made a few scintillating runs, put a few balls on a platter only to be wasted by his teammates, and overall his ball control and passing inspires his teammates and unsettles the opposition. Just like Argentina making the final in 1990 with Maradona not at his sparkling best, Argentina in 2014 is inspired by Messi who can change any game on a moment's notice, and that is an edge they have against any team.
Well he did run less in 120 minutes than most germans did in 90 minutes despite their game being won after 30 minutes.
I´m not a Ronaldo fan either. In fact I´m looking forward to the day they both retire because of their ridiculous fanbases.
BTW if Maxi Rodriguez buries that cross after Messi dribbled 3 Dutch players, then the headlines would be about Messi's brilliance once again. Because he didn't, the discussion is about why Messi didn't make a difference in this game. I thought Messi had a good, not great, game against a strong Dutch defense. 7/10.
Yeah, but what's more likely? That he's not as fit as the Germans or that he's not giving it all?
And running is not a goal by itself. If, due to his role or the movement of the team as a whole, he's in no situation to benefit from it, why should he run more? To prove he's making an effort?
you look forward to 2 of the top players in history retiring because their fanbases are annoying?
you get far too affected by this petty side stuff then. i can't imagine why anyone looks forward to the day messi and ronaldo retire. I want to see new stars emerge and challenge their reigns at the top, but i don't look forward to the day without them.
What can he do when had 5 people man marking him every time he got the ball, really? He carried Argentina through the group stage and is the only player who even penetrates the opposition's defence. Higiuan has been absolute shite, same with palacio. Lavezzi and Aguero haven't shown their best form either. Di Maria is the only other player that can open spaces and create for Argentina at the moment.
If Aguero and Di Maria draw defenders towards them and open up space for Messi, he will absolutely destroy Germany on Sunday, but surely his team mates need to step the feck up or Germany will destroy them.
If Messi does win the world cup, surely he has to down as the supreme greatest footballing God of all time? There is not a lot of records left to break for Messi I'm afraid.
If Aguero and Di Maria draw defenders towards them and open up space for Messi, he will absolutely destroy Germany on Sunday, but surely his team mates need to step the feck up or Germany will destroy them.
If Messi does win the world cup, surely he has to down as the supreme greatest footballing God of all time? There is not a lot of records left to break for Messi I'm afraid.