Jaysus, it's a bit early to say that with any level of confidence.
Messi at the World Cup - No Ronaldo comparisons!
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Jaysus, it's a bit early to say that with any level of confidence.
20 years down the line there will be a new kid on the block and the same absolute helmets in this thread slagging him off will be saying how inhuman Messi was. Basically no one should take any these comments seriously and only a compete fecktard would say Messi isn't up there with Pele and Maradona, world cup or no world cup
He has scored more goals and vital goals tan those players. Of course he has done more. If he is out the team Argentina have no chance. I can't say the same for those others.
Not the thread for it but how has Ronaldinhos 4 years considered on par with messi, yet zidane is considered nowhere near despite performing at a very high level for much longer than Ronaldinho and ronaldo and on more platforms.
it happens all the time/ Part of it is hating imo
It happens in the NBA. Kobe, Jordan, Lebron etc...always that player they want to bring down.
Game to game i don't think Zidane was as good as Messi and Ronaldinho. Have you seen the amount of goals, assists both players have?
The form of Messi and Ronaldo is probably something we will never see again.
Zidane was obviously a big game player but i think there is a reason why he didn't want many club championships.
This. If he wins he shouldnt be called the GOAT as well. It swings both ways. The World Cup isn't like club football where you have two legs or over 30 games to make amends. Its one fluke or one miss and thats it.
I would agree with that. It hasn't been all messi. Argentinas defence has been very good. The fact that the level of pretty much all the teams at this world cup is average except Germany has been helpful.
I am far from a Messi fan boy but the truth is that if he does manage to win the world cup then he should be considered best ever. He has had the biggest hand in getting Argentina here. He may not be at his very best but he has turned up. Today was the only match he has truly been cut out.
Why you posting on this thread? You clearly hate him so why do you talk about him so much?
He's gone missing since the group games yet every commentator in each game are going on about it, they talked like scoring that first penalty tonight made more difference to winning than the other 3 put together.
If Argentina win it on Sunday, it'll be Messi's WC regardless of what he does or doesn't do.
I am a great fan of Messi, he is brutally effective, but also a visionary genius. A sublime treasure to this sport. However, the days of him scoring 91 goals in a calendar year are well and truly gone forever. He's destroyed physically, his pace is gone. Still a spellbinding talent, and the best player in football, but he is no longer playing in a dimension incomprehensible to all others. I fear he may not have even a 40 goal season ever again.
He's brilliant, and up there with Pele and Maradona, but he needs to remember how to run. He appears to have forgotten.
I do agree I hate how individual players get the glory but it must hurt right?
Ronaldo out the world cup, Messi in the final....how do you sleep at night?
Since when are you only allowed to post about things you like?
Look at all those Liverpool/RAWK threads in the football forum, are you under the impression that most people here "like" Liverpool?
He always seems to receive the ball on the back foot for Argentina, never runs onto it.
Not really, unless they win it this Sunday, La Decima and the CL all time scoring record should be enough for another Ballon D'Or for you-know-who.
Messi is the best I've ever seen and that won't change no matter what happens on Sunday. Can't say whether he's the best ever but again I don't think the result on Sunday should make a massive difference either way.
He's had a fantastic world cup while still being way below his best, that's how good a peak Messi is.
He's had a fantastic world cup while still being way below his best, that's how good a peak Messi is.
How can you have that much love for one player? Do you support Madrid or Ronaldo?
No to Madrid and he's my favourite non-United player and I firmly believe he's better than the short Argie.
Absolutely agree. Ppl writing already him off are surely short memory or bitter haters.
If 4 goals and counting is a poor world cup, it just goes to show how good he actually is.
Not just about goals. Of course he's scored more goals than Mascherano, it reflects the positions they play. Mascherano has been better for Argentina so far this tournament in my view. Messi hasn't done more for Argentina than any other 'key' players have for their sides, but this isn't 'Muller's World Cup' and wouldn't have been Robben or RVP's either.
I wouldn't consider zidane to be as good as messi but I would definitely consider him to be better than Ronaldinho. He has been around for much longer. Comparing zidanes goals and assists to messis and ronaldinhos is crazy as they are different players. I doubt you ever seen him play if you are talking about his goals and assists. Saying there is a reason that he didn't win many club championships is again absolutely absurd for many reasons, one being that there was not a monopoly at the top like there is now. He has won every major trophy in football. He also has more world player of the year awards which was the main individual award at the time. Madness the way you are talking about him. During the galactico era at Madrid he was considered by figo and Ronaldo and everybody at the club as THE galactico. He was performing at a high level for much longer than Ronaldinho and no number stats will convince me otherwise.
Since when are you only allowed to post about things you like?
Look at all those Liverpool/RAWK threads in the football forum, are you under the impression that most people here "like" Liverpool?
fair enough we all have opinions and its not a wild opinion but i find it absurd that you hate the player or players because its Ronaldo's rival. Don't you enjoy watching great footballers. That means you suffer from the game if anything.
Not just goals, their timing have been exceptional.
Messi won the league in last calendar year yet Ronaldo still won the Ballon d'Or. Why? Because Ronaldo was more impressive towards the end of the season. Helped him that Messi was injured. But trophies didn't play a role then.
So far Messi has scored more goals and assists in 2014 compared to Ronaldo. Just because he won a Double doesn't mean he'll win the Ballon d'Or. It's an individual trophy. Stats + impression at the end of the year > trophies.
You lost credibility when you said Higuain has been on the same level as Messi.
Of course its not just about goals, but goals are a major factor. Without his goals and assists Argentina are probably out by now.
Agree to disagree anyway
Fair enough. I think Ronaldinho was a little better but no doubt Zidane was amazing.
Except the scoring goals thing, which some people think is important.
It's not really my point that he hasn't contributed to Argentina's success. My point is that I don't think he's done enough this tournament to be singled out as a star who is carrying that team to glory. All the other players I listed and more have chipped into Argentina battling through to this stage (I don't feel they've done more than that, none of their performances have been outstanding). I therefore think it's unfair on the rest of the Argentina team and a bit depressingly predictable how the media keep ramping this up as Messi's World Cup when I don't feel he's stood out in particular and has arguably been inferior to other players in the tournament. I don't mind individual praise being heaped when it's deserved e.g. I thought Neymar did do a lot to lead and carry that Brazil team and I doubt they would have been hammered so significantly if he'd played yesterday.
And it wasn't all Maradona either. Either they played against a bunch of maggots in every game, or their defense also did a job back then.
I wasn't saying he has been amazing or anything. If four goals at a world cup is not decent then it just proves how good and how high the bar has been set.
Agree to disagree
Which is why I've put 'not just about goals' rather than 'it isn't about goals'. As stated in my post, other players in the tournament such as Muller have scored plenty but haven't got the same level of praise. I don't think Messi has been head and shoulders above his compatriots in the games so far. He's played well and made good contributions, but he hasn't played to a level significantly above his teammates.
He scored more important, well timed goals than anyone in the tournament.
It's also due to my dislike of Barca's holier than thou attitude and them ruining what should have been a first ever retained CL in 2009 due to the scandal of Stamford Bridge.
We'll see...
It is decent, my point was I don't think he's been exceptional in the way some press & fans are portraying. If you agree with that then we are in fact agreeing.
Except the fact that those late winners in the first 2 games actually mean very little as they'd have progressed with or without them.
In this games he was poor.. But yeah he scored late goal and then he had good game? Against Swiss he was poor but yeah he got assist late in the game. Overall poor but his stats looks good.
Yep. Pure clutch.
I haven't seen 86, but from the highlights I get the impression that Maradona drove games with an energy and consistency that made it all that epic, which hasn't been the case here. The end result though, is the same.
There are so many other countless variables involved as well, so many things changed in the footballing world since then, that I really don't understand how people get stuck in so inane arguments like he has to do "x". In the end, it's just people having a strong preference for one or another, and clutching at straws to think they're right. Everybody should just relax. This is a team sport, there's no objective measure to individual achievements (if there were Messi would win by a landslide), the best player ever is whoever you want it to be.