So Memphis is shit because of hip-hop? This thread is awful now.
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The flash car = bad attitude narrative is one of the more stupid things you'll read on a football forum. Whether he's driving around in a 1 litre Fiat or a Ferrari, he'll encounter the very same problems on the pitch.
He struggles with the speed of the game here and wants too much time on the ball. He should get another season to try rectify that, and a faster, more fluid style of play might help him. It's a case of wait and see.
He struggles with the speed of the game here and wants too much time on the ball. He should get another season to try rectify that, and a faster, more fluid style of play might help him. It's a case of wait and see.
Do you know him well then?
I've come to the right place then haven't I, mate.
Apologies, didn't realise the rest of the posters were such authorities and were speaking with such knowledge
answer my question
Would suggest a slightly less aggressive approach. You're on a football forum, not in a police interrogation room.
I know it's a bit cliche but I know someone who knows him. I'm saying the impression I get is someone who is desperate to succeed here. Not some flash "gangster" or however people like to label him.
nice sidestep
Fair enough, I don't know him at all. Just fear he could be another Morrisson (well not the same scale, but you know what I mean - pissing his talent up the wall to fulfil this hard man image).
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So far it's been a steep learning curve for Memphis, but if you watch closely you can see that the coaching staff have been working with him on improving certain aspects of his game that were probably neglected at PSV. When he joined the club, it looked like he only knew one way to play, and couldn't work out why it wasn't working for him. Coming off the left, he'd cut inside onto his right foot and shoot for the far post, which opposition defences quickly worked out. He's since made efforts to change things up. He cuts across the face of goal a lot more, creating space for other players. Hes improved when facing away from goal, making use of his considerable frame to his advantage. He's also improved in terms of his defensive work rate and tactical nous off the ball.
None of these improvements are enough to say that he has been a successful signing, but I wouldn't write him off either. He has significant deficiencies in his game compared to the other forwards, which were never exposed in the Dutch League. He's still young enough to pick up those skills now, and it doesn't look like he lacks the motivation to do so (to me at least).
The aim for Memphis should be to cement a place in the starting line up by the end of next season. It could well work out in his favour because the spotlight will shift onto Martial following the season he's had, which would allow Memphis to continue to work hard behind the scenes without the excessive hype and scrutiny that comes with it.
None of these improvements are enough to say that he has been a successful signing, but I wouldn't write him off either. He has significant deficiencies in his game compared to the other forwards, which were never exposed in the Dutch League. He's still young enough to pick up those skills now, and it doesn't look like he lacks the motivation to do so (to me at least).
The aim for Memphis should be to cement a place in the starting line up by the end of next season. It could well work out in his favour because the spotlight will shift onto Martial following the season he's had, which would allow Memphis to continue to work hard behind the scenes without the excessive hype and scrutiny that comes with it.
He needs to start learning to adapt on the RW imo. Theres no way he's getting the LW spot ahead of Martial.
Don't you think we will buy another winger for the right. LVG has made that pretty clear.
Didn't know Memphis was one to in England buying mack 10's with his wages.
Well im guessing he hasnt spent almost all his career playing on the left just to give his teammates a chance.
Were not exactly blessed with talent on the right wing either. If he was up to it, he would be playing there.
Certainly. But I think if Memphis is to survive here he needs to be ready to play on either flank. He needs all the games he can get to improve given he's so drastically behind standards at the mo.
By the age of 22 Ronaldo was the best wide player in the world
I followed him closely since he came because i hated Ashley Young so much that i wanted this guy to succeed. From a sporting point of view, he's lost (or never had?) everything he was advertised for. His free kicks are shit. He doesn't have the speed he should have at his age and build. The only thing he showed since coming here is the fact that when he is subbed and plays the last 10-20 minutes he can really annoy the shit out of anyone who's watching, loosing balls in every fecking way that is possible.
But we have learnt other things about him: he likes hats, bought 3 custom made very expensive cars, probably pays them in installments because even him doesn't earn so much to pay cash. He's all into that disputable quality hip-hop crap, with sparkling shoelaces. He lives with a bloke who did not make it in football but "helps him very much" and is "the brother he never had". He also wants people to call him Memphis (because his father "abandoned" him and his mother in this cruel, cruel world) like he's some kind of a pop star. I understand this personality cult in people like Ronaldo or Zlatan, people who are so self obsessed they are really amazing individuals who only went up and keep going that way. But Memphis? He's just a deluded teenager. What can Memphis do and Lingard (who was free) can't? Add to Lingard's value the fact that he's baby sitting Marcus and it's becoming obvious we made a very bad deal last summer and we bought a kid in a bubble, not a proper footballer.
Tony Marshall (came from France) comes to training in the club car or he is driven to training. Shit, I've even seen him coming to training in a van. I know, little things, but i think they count. They tell you what their focus is, if you read between the lines.
But we have learnt other things about him: he likes hats, bought 3 custom made very expensive cars, probably pays them in installments because even him doesn't earn so much to pay cash. He's all into that disputable quality hip-hop crap, with sparkling shoelaces. He lives with a bloke who did not make it in football but "helps him very much" and is "the brother he never had". He also wants people to call him Memphis (because his father "abandoned" him and his mother in this cruel, cruel world) like he's some kind of a pop star. I understand this personality cult in people like Ronaldo or Zlatan, people who are so self obsessed they are really amazing individuals who only went up and keep going that way. But Memphis? He's just a deluded teenager. What can Memphis do and Lingard (who was free) can't? Add to Lingard's value the fact that he's baby sitting Marcus and it's becoming obvious we made a very bad deal last summer and we bought a kid in a bubble, not a proper footballer.
Tony Marshall (came from France) comes to training in the club car or he is driven to training. Shit, I've even seen him coming to training in a van. I know, little things, but i think they count. They tell you what their focus is, if you read between the lines.
I think if Memphis is still at OT next season, he will have had to spend this summer sorting himself out, whether it be mentally, physically or whatever it his he needs to do to start realising his potential. A lot could depend, of course, on who the manager will be next season, but if he is still at United he will need to start delivering soon. He just looks like a lost kid just now, no confidence whatsoever. Whether it is down to him or LvG who knows, but his first season has, aside from a few moments, been largely a failure, to say the least. It's a big step up from the Eredivisie to the EPL, so he needs to get himself going again quickly.
Think people don't apprecciate how hard Ronnie worked behind the scenes despite the posing etc. He was and is the consumate professional.
Now Memphis has to knuckle down and show he can be one of the best around
I don't get why posters like to Englishify foreign player names.Anyway, I don't think it matters what mode of transport players get. Ronaldo drives an amazing car but talent aside, he works harder than anyone. Beckham was also a very hard worker despite loving the flair of football life. Having fancy cars to get to the club doesn't suggest one lacks work ethic.
Apart from the bit about Ashley Young - don't hate him just think he is a bit ordinary, a squad player at best who can do a job in various positions when required - I think above post is pretty spot on.
People will accept, even grudgingly, guys like Ronaldo and Ibrahimovic acting they way they do if they are delivering big-time on the pitch, but not someone who barely even looks worth a place on the bench at times who goes round acting like a film/hip-hop celebrity.
The way people are going on it looks like Memphis, due to his love of Gangsta Rap (he bout that life) is going to end up as the new Aaron Hernandez
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/07/01/inside-mind-aaron-hernandez.html
Anyway, I don't think it matters what mode of transport players get. Ronaldo drives an amazing car but talent aside, he works harder than anyone. Beckham was also a very hard worker despite loving the flair of football life. Having fancy cars to get to the club doesn't suggest one lacks work ethic.
Tony is from his chant
Anyway, I don't think it matters what mode of transport players get. Ronaldo drives an amazing car but talent aside, he works harder than anyone. Beckham was also a very hard worker despite loving the flair of football life. Having fancy cars to get to the club doesn't suggest one lacks work ethic.
Tony is from the chant and i kind of like it, it's funny. They made it with DDG too. He's big he's brave he's Spanish Dave.
Joking aside, yeah it doesn't matter which car drives you to training. But if you look at the whole picture, i think my point is obvious.
Memphis deal epitomizes another thing that we miss since the old man left. SAF bought people not mercenaries. He was very careful at these things because he knew talent is not hard to find, but good, balanced individuals are. We've had this type before, but we know what happened to them. Man management is something new age coaches are lacking severely. I just hope Mourinho is imposing some kind of respect that would make even a Tom Cleverley perform like a proper footballer.
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Well latest paper rumors are we want to swap him for Mane. Don't give a shit if Memphis leaves but that is such a shit deal.
Think that says more about you tbh. What music is permissible for a 22 year old to listen to? Stuff that you like?
Why does this matter, really? Would it make you feel better if he sat there listening to Rachmaninoff instead?
That's a rather flippant way of describing a difficult period in a young kid's childhood where he suffered from physical abuse at the hands of a father figure.
"What exactly happened at home I won't be telling you," Memphis said once. "I don't want people feeling sorry for me."
In a TV interview he gave away a little more. "In that time, I just had to survive, I just had to fight my way through it," he said. "I could speak of things like physical abuse, but I don't feel like it."
It's good to have people around to reassure us that it's really all about attention seeking, after all.
The Game is as fake any of them. It's all an act. Hip Hop is a soap opera. Sounds funny hearing a guy from Limerick talk like that though.
really? Mane is a better player than Memphis. Can play anywhere behind the striker, better vision, technically better, more mobile, quicker, can cross with either foot and has a short and long range passing game.
I have to take responsibility for derailing this thread, I feel. I had no idea it would descend from a highbrow discussion of Memphis's football pedigree into tit-for-tat trash-talking between fans of schnide rap music.
Neither I nor anyone else is saying that if Memphis listened to REO Speedwagon or John Spencer Blues Explosion, we'd have another Ronaldo on our hands. But his attitude does seem to be lacking and his love of rap culture seems fairly integral to his general outlook - he even released a few rap videos in the Netherlands.
Yes, it's a supposition that his love of rap has any bearing on his body shape or general approach to life. But then this entire forum is about supposition, isn't it? As the good Lord says, Let he who is without stupid Caf posts cast the first stone.
I would feel better if he'd listen to Rachmaninoff only because Rachmaninoff is a role model and attended his grammar lessons. I don't think hip hop is worse than other kinds of music, i just think is bad when you borrow the lifestyle. Unlike Dr. Dre, or Snoop, who were really lowlifes before making it big and spoke from the heart, hip-hop artists these days are lacking education, not food. And are lacking it because they refuse it, not because they can't reach it.
As far as i know, Memphis father was an immigrant from Ghana. An immigrant who probably did not have the best of life either. In these conditions i don't see where from he could have been the father figure Memphis would have liked. What i want to see from Memphis, is performance, value for money, not stories on the Jerry Springer Show. Those do not matter here, we're speaking about an athlete, paid in millions, who is seen by millions. My point is, since he is at the top of something, football in this case, i want to see his value. This is not about you or me, we are not at the top, but he is and he's not showing it. There are stories in the press which say is something wrong with his attitude and most of them come from the Dutch camp, people who should be, more than any others, the ones who want to protect him. I don't think any dutch ex-footballer wants Memphis to be a disappointment, on the contrary.
Actually, i would be impressed if Memphis would be the better man here, accepted his life with up's and downs, and just be glad he is in this position and make the most of it.
Bloody Drake ruins everything, doesn't he? First my he wrecked my Spotify account which I share with the Mrs, and now he's ruined Memphis too! Prick.
He was but then Ronaldo had been in England for 4 years at that point to be fair and he's one of the best players to ever play the game. Just because a young player doesn't live up to those lofty standards in his first year doesn't mean you throw them on the scrap heap (not saying you are advocating that mate).
And of course theres also the fact players develop at different rates.
Posts on here about Memphis' hip-hop lifestyle/image, I think people are trying to make the point he drives about in expensive cars and looks as though he is living large while doing virtually nothing to earn the money to fund the lifestyle.
If he was doing the business on the pitch, no one would comment on his taste in music/cars/clothes in the negative way they are now.
Look at this way, people buy season tickets, club merchandise etc and then watch someone doing very little to earn huge wages which they, in some small way at least, contribute to, and then see him showing off his car collection etc. and living it up on the THEIR dollar.
If he was doing the business on the pitch, no one would comment on his taste in music/cars/clothes in the negative way they are now.
Look at this way, people buy season tickets, club merchandise etc and then watch someone doing very little to earn huge wages which they, in some small way at least, contribute to, and then see him showing off his car collection etc. and living it up on the THEIR dollar.
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Mane is a much better player but what I'm saying is I think we can sign even more talented than Mane.
What in the feck have I just read.
The internet gives a voice to some truly fecking idiotic people.
The internet gives a voice to some truly fecking idiotic people.
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I can't see the Mane swap happening. His form has been patchy to say the least since December. Memphis, for all of his faults, is still young enough to be given the benefit of the doubt and he seems very driven to succeed no matter what. I think we'll see a different Memphis next season imo.
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