Yes, a lot of his lyrics are about his brothers so he is still very close to what he is saying. An act or not anyway he is just simply 10 times better than Drake. I'm also not from Limerick.
Memphis | Manchester United Sub | Officially unravelled
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I agree that he will be here. It'd be folly to sell a young player after one season. Especially one who cost £25 million.
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I don't think he will make it under Mourinho, a manager who demands that every player participate in defending.
I've only heard good about Memphis attitude in training, but on the pitch it's a very different case.
Memphis should learn from Lingard, the difference in Work rate between them is night and day.
I've only heard good about Memphis attitude in training, but on the pitch it's a very different case.
Memphis should learn from Lingard, the difference in Work rate between them is night and day.
I know, that is my greatest accomplishment in life and people aren't even reading it. I don't even know why we bother.
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it doesn't take much to get promoted these days.
it doesn't take much to get promoted these days.Yeah you're right but workrate's only part of the story. I would argue Memphis's flashes of quality, particularly the goal against PSV, have surpassed anything Lingard has come up with.
People said the same about Joe Cole, and Mourinho was the making of him. Di Maria, another talented maverick, says Mourinho made him the player he is today. http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3277...-maria-mourinho-made-me-the-player-i-am-today
That is nice Words from Di Maria, hopefully Memphis will listen and learn from Mourinho the same way as Di Maria.
The flashes of quality from Memphis has unfortunately been against PSV, Brugge and Midtjylland, in the PL he has been worse than average and i don't think that's an overreaction.
Tbf, Lingard has played a lot on the right wing which is not his prefered position, but he still come up with a goal and assist here and there, but always you can expect hard Work from him.
I just need to see the same passion from Memphis, that this is what he wants. I could forgive him for being shite in his first year if he worked his arse off.
He has looked truly atrocious. In my opinion, he hasn't even shown tiny glimpses of talent and has had a good run of games.
I expect him to stay a season before being sold, possibly even on a free due to his wages, back to the Netherlands.
I expect him to stay a season before being sold, possibly even on a free due to his wages, back to the Netherlands.
Yes. He may well look like a Ronaldo at a low level of standard. However, in the PL he has looked completely out of his depth. He is slower, less skillful and less intelligent than the players he faces.
More like he was displace by Martial. He plays on the left which neither of those players do.
If Depay performed like he was expected to then Martial would have been playing upfront. And Depay played games as number 10 for us too
He didnt really do that earlier in the season, helping with defending. But then again even if he tried, he got called out by our fans for it not being good enough.
But in his more recent matches, he has been tracking back a lot more, our match vs Arsenal at home being the best example, he didnt do an awful lot offensively but kept one of the best attacking fullbacks of the league, out of the game (Bellerin) with good work ethic. I dont think that is neccesarily his biggest problem at the moment, him not having acclamatised to the speed of the league is.
In the PL for example, when he does beat a defender, you need to make the next step immediately, either you cross it, pass it, go for a solo or whatever, you have to have the technique to execute that extremely fast, and do it well as well. Memphis coming from the Eredivisie, when you beat a defender there, you have all the time in the world to decide what you are going to do, you dont get a 2nd and 3rd defender straight after you bwat the first one, it's a huge difference which Blind and Depay have mentioned themselves. Some players adapt to this easily, some dont. Memphis know nowa about this, and we should hope that he handles this better next season.
Furthermore, even though some expect that of him, he isnt a Hazard, Costa, Ribery type of winger. It isnt about the dribbling, skillfullness, creativity, trickery, being unpredictable with Memphis, he isnt really a winger of the old mold, he is more of a wide forward. He's strong, fast (he did look slow this season after he gained weight/muscle), has a good shot on him (hasnt really showed that this season unfortunately), has effective dribbling, flicks, touches, skills (backheels, drop of shoulder, heel flicks and those kind of things) and has a really good eye for making runs. His runs behind the defence have been good for most of the season, but we barely have players who play those passes with Mata being a coward in possession mostly, and Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Herrera not really having that ability, something he was quite used to with PSV. What Im trying to say is that our rather slow paced, static play doesnt suit his play as well, he played counter attacking, dynamic, opportunistic and reactive football with PSV, which is basically the opposite of our football. Next season, hopefully under Mourinho, with new midfielders like Sanches, Gomes and a more faster style of play, him being more used to the league, I hope that he can flourish. If he doesnt, we cut our losses and both parties move on.
P.S, Im not trying to make excuses for him, he's been really poor at times and some of his performances have been inexcusable.
That's not even remotely true. And no, it's entirely relevant to whether I want him to be sold or not.
It's fairly simple. Poor players need to be shown the door and better one's need to be brought in. Just because we were shit in the transfer marker last time does not mean we should keep the shit to keep the squad settled. We have more than enough attacking players to let go of Depay.
Shite at football, even worse at music, the guy is a perpetual failure.
Definitely the sort of player who needs a manager willing to stick their arm around him and back him no matter what. Hasn't got that right now - he's been really disappointing this season but definitely not worth giving up on yet.
Weird that LVG signed him tbh. Imagine Depay is the sort of footballer who drives LVG to distraction.
He's shown nothing like the quality Nani showed at United, and Nani is widely branded a failure. Hopefully, as people have said, he can bounce back and prove people wrong next year.
He's basically only had 6 months playing time here as he's been effectively been frozen out since Xmas, he's 22 and adapting to a new country and league in a team going through a difficult period. And you would get rid of him already?
Thank feck your not in a position to actually make those sort of decisions then. Many many players have taken 12-18 months to adapt to the Premier League. A lot of them better and older than Depay. He'll be here next year, selling him now would be idiotic.
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Absolutely. Not to mention we have several other players who genuinely need to feck off. If Memphis deserves to be sold then so do half of the squad - does anyone think selling 10+ players is a good idea?
He hasn't played a single game as a #10. He's played a few minutes there, few minutes on the right and a few minutes up top but not a whole game in any position besides LW.
If Depay had performed then Rashford would probably not have gotten his chance no but Martial had pushed Depay out before Rashford got his chance. Rooney was sucking up front before that.
People claiming he's been frozen out, who should he be benching?
Should be playing in the U21's if he's not going to be given a chance in the league, still don't understand why he isn't coming on a bit earlier as sub, (when he is been used that is.)
But maybe he's just not very good and LvG misread him, after all if there is one player in the whole squad you would think LvG would want to see succeed it would be Depay, yet he can't get a look in.
But maybe he's just not very good and LvG misread him, after all if there is one player in the whole squad you would think LvG would want to see succeed it would be Depay, yet he can't get a look in.
He's not "frozen out", he's on the bench because he's simply not good enough and the team need players who actually contribute so they can win games. It's not a complicated concept.
Who are you taking about exactly? I can only think of two senior players who should be sold immediately. Every single attacking player we have is better than Depay.
This. Since Rashford and Lingard stepped up, there is no place for Depay in first XI. And this issue will be even more evident next season.
His first United game vs Spurs was at number 10
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ews/manchester-united-van-gaal-admits-9824574
Louis van Gaal has admitted Memphis Depay has still got to prove he can be Manchester United’s No.10.
And the United manager hasn’t ruled out switching the 21-year-old to his more familiar role on the left.
Memphis started all four of the pre-season tour games in a role behind lone striker Wayne Rooney.
And they were paired together again for the opening game of the season against Tottenham on Saturday.
"Well he done insane stuff against Club Brugge, Midgetland and Shrewsbury level defenders so if he could just get some confidence then he can do some damage vs premier league defenders also for sure."
Disclaimer : This is based on the assumption that Memphis has greatly increased his speed, power, intelligence, decision making, close ball control, shooting, passing movement and agility
It was also less than a whole game. He immediately switched him to the left and that's where he has stayed.
If Mourinho comes there's no way Memphis will play 10. He'd probably be understudy to Martial on the left, can't see where he'd start tbh.
Depay isn't a #10. He's a limited player really and might turn out to be one of those players that break out young, fail at a big club and perform in a slightly lower level. United might be too much for him.
He should get another season however, no doubt about that. He's young and it's his first season in the PL. Players don't all adapt the same way to a new league or style of play and the style will probably change next season so we'll see.
The last sentence sums it up, you can't walk around looking like Dr Dre or 50 Cent with the birds,flash motors etc by earning circa £100K by sitting on the bench as you can't get a game in a fairly mediocre team.
Different player, different team, different situation but remember when Steven Fletcher posted pictures on the internet of his new Lamborghini/Ferrari (forget which) while Sunderland were fighting relegation ? Granted, United aren't fighting relegation but you get the comparison ?
Give him another chance under a proper manager and reassess.
Without going into detail about why, I'd sell Jones, Rojo, Darmian, Valencia, Fellaini, Rooney, Mata, Schweinsteiger and Lingard before selling Memphis. Not that I'm saying I want to sell all of them by any means.
But he clearly hasn't so I don't see a point in discussing this matter. And his confidence isn't an issue IMO, he seems as confident as you get. He simply seems to be out of his depth on this level.
I'd get rid of Jones and Rooney in a second, Mata is a strong shout too. But Lingard, who is a better player in every important aspect of the game, not to mention homegrown and paid half wages compared to Depay?
I don't want to sell Lingard at all to be clear, if I was to list those players in order of how much I wanted to sell them he'd easily be bottom. Depay's still the better prospect for me.
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He's not "frozen out", he's on the bench because he's simply not good enough and the team need players who actually contribute so they can win games. It's not a complicated concept.
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Exactly. For all the criticism of his form etc I think he is still worth another shot next season, would be a bit mad to bin him now, but I suppose it depends a lot on who the coach is next season.
He's not "frozen out", he's on the bench because he's simply not good enough and the team need players who actually contribute so they can win games. It's not a complicated concept.
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Exactly. For all the criticism of his form etc I think he is still worth another shot next season, would be a bit mad to bin him now, but I suppose it depends a lot on who the coach is next season.
He just needs to make his mind up quicker and go straight for the throat. When he holds on to the ball and slows the pace down, losing momentum is when he struggles. Every time he's had a good performance is when he gets the ball and attacks the defender, sometimes almost playing with his head down. I think he's very instinctive, but he seems to play better with anger and urgency in his play. When he came on against Tottenham 3-0 down he had a fire in his belly, he looked to get straight into the game and went at Walker.
It's unfortunate for him that Martial has nicked his position, but I would like to see him in a 433 formation too, that's what he was used too at PSV aswell.
It's unfortunate for him that Martial has nicked his position, but I would like to see him in a 433 formation too, that's what he was used too at PSV aswell.
Of course he should stay - a new manager might be all that is required. We are always talking about quick, attacking players - he has the potensial to be one of the best. We can't sell him after one season.
One thing that puzzles me though is that Memphis played probably the best match of his career against Midt-Jylland - and afterwards he has hardly touched the ball.
One thing that puzzles me though is that Memphis played probably the best match of his career against Midt-Jylland - and afterwards he has hardly touched the ball.
I could be wrong, but i think his main problem is simply confidence, he seems to have none at all, and looks like a lost schoolboy at times during games. Maybe it's more than that, but I think that's the root of the problem at any rate.
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