Memphis | Manchester United Sub | Officially unravelled

[Shark]

Memphis will come good. He's only 22, lets not condemn the lad after one season, especially when you remember what impact Luke Shaw's injury has had on his performances.

Shaw likes to get forward more which forces the full back to stand off Memphis, giving him more room to operate with or run into. We'll see some better performances when Shaw returns.

Memphis' age is not relevant to rather he'll come good or not. Anderson for example was a player that we constantly hung onto because he was still young enough to come good, but it's such an awful thing to bank on. Also, look at the consistency Rashford is able to achieve despite being 18, and he does it against big clubs too. You can see the talent is there every time he steps into the pitch. I really do hope that Memphis proves many of us wrong next season and turns out to be at least a good squad player for us, because I really can't see him becoming much more than that.

 

[Ibi Dreams]

Do you expect Rashford to remain that consistent? He will have downturns in form as all players do, he's had a very impressive patch so far but I don't expect that this is how he's going to continue forever, just like I don't expect Memphis to be poor forever.

He just hasn't had enough of a chance yet for us to decide to let him go. It would be extremely unfair to sell him after one admittedly poor season, given the fact that he's a young player who has come from a different league.

 

[prath92]

Which rapper do we blame di Maria on? I say TI.

 

[Shark]

Do you expect Rashford to remain that consistent? He will have downturns in form as all players do, he's had a very impressive patch so far but I don't expect that this is how he's going to continue forever, just like I don't expect Memphis to be poor forever.

He just hasn't had enough of a chance yet for us to decide to let him go. It would be extremely unfair to sell him after one admittedly poor season, given the fact that he's a young player who has come from a different league.

No I don't expect Rashford to remain consistent, but young players with big potential can still clearly show much more than what Memphis has. I don't think that he has the potential that some thought he would when we signed him and still think he has. I'd be just happy to see him carve out a decent United career at this point but I'd be pleasantly surprised if he surpassed those expectations.

 

[red_devil83]

All these fools saying let him go

If you learned anything from Fergie, you give a young player 2 or 3 years. Admittedly he was over generous at times but you can't discard a young player after 1 year.

 

[Dobbs]

Convinced he's a centre forward. Doesn't really have the skillset or the mentality to be a winger at this level.

Weird that LvG has tried everyone everywhere but Memphis seems nailed on as a Left winger(bar a few games at No.10).

 

[.Rossi]

All these fools saying let him go

If you learned anything from Fergie, you give a young player 2 or 3 years. Admittedly he was over generous at times but you can't discard a young player after 1 year.

Yep.. I loved those few extra years of Bellion, Miller, John Curtis, Djemba-Djemba, Kleberson etc stinking the place out

If Depay has shown enough, even behind closed doors at training etc, he'll be staying put. If he hasn't then, he has no one to blame but himself.

RvP will have a field day with this

 

[Attila]

£27m and £100k+ wage. Displaced by Rashford and Lingard. The most baffling part is that LVG managed him for Holland yet deemed him a good signing.

I hope we don't persist with this clown for years like we did with Anderson.

 

[Blue always red]

"If i have a bad first season ain't nothin' to it gangsta rap made me do it" Ice Cube -Gangasta rap made me do it.

this is being slept on!

 

[Macern]

Some epically stupid posts in here. Who the feck writes off a 22 year old after one season in a new league? By all accounts he has a tremendous work ethic behind the scenes and a high level of ambition.

People just don't want to give players chances to develop. If it was left up to the fan base, some of our best players would have been turfed out before they hit it big.

This

Think the problem is his attitude, not his skill. He clearly loves trashy gangsta rap music and models himself on its main stars- i'm guessing he put all that muscle on to look like 50 Cent and the Game, not because his coaches told him too. The sooner he realises he's a footballer and not a rapper, the better.

 

[KikiDaKats]

First part i think is spot on. second part not so as i'm sure there are many people, myself included, who like rap but don't try to live the lifestyle. Plus i don't recall any articles about Memphis hanging around moss side etc. Liking the music and dressing like the artists is different from wanting to be a gangsta. Although I do feel a bit of dejavu with Ravel coming on with memphis in the sense they forget they're footballers rather the image they're trying to portray

I believe that post was about his physique.

 

[WhoDaGOAT]

What 22 year old is listening to or idolising 50 Cent and The Game in 2016?

He's most likely listening to guys like Young Thug, Future and Drake. Based on his dress sense anyway.

 

[marjen]

It's really difficult to find any hope to cling to when it comes to Memphis, but I guess the fact that so much of his poor play is down to poor decision-making - which can and should improve with confidence and the right guidance - is something.

 

[Haddock]

Think the problem is his attitude, not his skill. He clearly loves trashy gangsta rap music and models himself on its main stars- i'm guessing he put all that muscle on to look like 50 Cent and the Game, not because his coaches told him too. The sooner he realises he's a footballer and not a rapper, the better.

So what you're saying is that we ought to send him a Kendrick Lamar mixtape?

 

[WhoDaGOAT]

So what you're saying is that we ought to send him a Kendrick Lamar mixtape?

"Girl, I know you want this D".

 

[Gandalf Greyhame]

Think the problem is his attitude, not his skill. He clearly loves trashy gangsta rap music and models himself on its main stars- i'm guessing he put all that muscle on to look like 50 Cent and the Game, not because his coaches told him too. The sooner he realises he's a footballer and not a rapper, the better.

Blind assumptions and judgements based on scraps of information in media. Such a poor post.

What we do know however, from his time on the pitch, is that he's utterly useless against any half decent team which includes most of the PL.

Many players settling into the PL look like that. His first season into a much more competitive league, behind one of the most gifted young left attackers in the world, in a system which is shit in attack, under a manger who's not known for his man-management skills. More time, I'd say.

He's not going to beat Martial for the left wing spot though, so he better learn to play on the right or as the #10.

This bothers me. He needed to be tried out in different positions this season itself, to see if he can start somewhere else. Maybe he hasn't shown enough in training, or maybe LVG didn't want to try him out in different positions after the initial experiments in the hole.

 

[pocco]

What 22 year old is listening to or idolising 50 Cent and The Game in 2016?

He's most likely listening to guys like Young Thug, Future and Drake. Based on his dress sense anyway.

That explains why he acts like a numpty.

 

[DocRockter]

There's the goal-scorer to replace Lingard but goddamn he needs to start running back as well.. I'm still expecting him to start as LW next season with Shaw back and all but for now he could be used as the 3rd guy behind Rashford..

 

[Stack]

Think the problem is his attitude, not his skill. He clearly loves trashy gangsta rap music and models himself on its main stars- i'm guessing he put all that muscle on to look like 50 Cent and the Game, not because his coaches told him too. The sooner he realises he's a footballer and not a rapper, the better.

How on earth does his choice in clothes and music reflect his attitude? How anyone can determine a players attitude and mentality without having any direct contact with a person is staggering. You are dreaming up drivel based on assumption and fairy dust.

 

[.Rossi]

I'd delete that quick mate

 

[diarm]

He spoke a few times last summer about knowing how physical the Premier League is and what a step up in physicality he was expecting. I woudn't be surprised at all if he simply focused too much on that side of things over the summer and arrived on the scene a little bulkier and heavier than his optimal size, not because he wants to be 50 cent but because he thought that was what he needed to do to succeed here.

Then after a few bad performances and some time under everyone's favourite confidence builder his stock fell a little and he hasn't had that confidence and cockiness a player like him needs. There are plenty of players who struggled for their first season in the prem and went on to be stars and Memphis has the ability to do the same.

A new coach, a full preseason directed by the United fitness team and being part of a side with any sort of attacking identity could work wonders for the lad who let's not forget, is still more than a year younger than Jesse Lingard and has just spent his first season in a new country and league.

The single most annoying thing on this forum is how many people are so quick to write off youngsters as not good enough, or even shit. They are going to make mistakes and have bad games, that's how it works.

 

[The Purist]

What 22 year old is listening to or idolising 50 Cent and The Game in 2016?

He's most likely listening to guys like Young Thug, Future and Drake. Based on his dress sense anyway.

What 22 year olds listen to Young Thug, Future and Drake? I figured those guys were for kids still trying too hard to be cool.

(I admit, I don't know a lot about the genre). But if a 22 year old told me he listened to Young Thug, I'd be a bit judgemental.

 

[Adisa]

The thing that makes me think it's not looking good for him. Is that he's struggling to get games in a threadbare attack with no depth. What will happen when we inevitably strengthen in the summer? I expect at least two attackers to come in. The club will try as much as to compensate for the lack of goals.
The most damning thing about it, is that he can only play in one position.
Hope he can turn it around but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Adisa]

He spoke a few times last summer about knowing how physical the Premier League is and what a step up in physicality he was expecting. I woudn't be surprised at all if he simply focused too much on that side of things over the summer and arrived on the scene a little bulkier and heavier than his optimal size, not because he wants to be 50 cent but because he thought that was what he needed to do to succeed here.

Then after a few bad performances and some time under everyone's favourite confidence builder his stock fell a little and he hasn't had that confidence and cockiness a player like him needs. There are plenty of players who struggled for their first season in the prem and went on to be stars and Memphis has the ability to do the same.

A new coach, a full preseason directed by the United fitness team and being part of a side with any sort of attacking identity could work wonders for the lad who let's not forget, is still more than a year younger than Jesse Lingard and has just spent his first season in a new country and league.

The single most annoying thing on this forum is how many people are so quick to write off youngsters as not good enough, or even shit. They are going to make mistakes and have bad games, that's how it works.

The coaches at PSV say he's been on it for a long time. Saw it as a thing of pride. Holding the record for weights carried and stuff like that.

 

[WhoDaGOAT]

What 22 year olds listen to Young Thug, Future and Drake? I figured those guys were for kids still trying too hard to be cool.

I do for starters and I'm older than 22. I listen to Hip Hop from all different eras, across different sub-genres within the same parent genre.

Drake's music is dope. Even if he isn't writing it all.

 

[diarm]

The coaches at PSV say he's been on it for a long time. Saw it as a thing of pride. Holding the record for weights carried and stuff like that.

When I watched him last year he seemed more fluid though. He seemed a yard or two quicker and more in control of his body. This year at times he's looked sluggish and ungainly.

 

[Adisa]

When I watched him last year he seemed more fluid though. He seemed a yard or two quicker and more in control of his body. This year at times he's looked sluggish and ungainly.

He's certainly bigger. But he's been trying to build muscle for a while.


I just feel for the guy. Look at the confidence he had in his first interview.

 

[diarm]

He's certainly bigger. But he's been trying to build muscle for a while.

I just feel for the guy. Look at the confidence he had in his first interview.

This is where you'd feel Giggs should be earning his corn. You'd hope he'd be in the lads ear, explaining how to maintain the right size and shape for your body in order to balance pace, balance and power.

 

[Adisa]

This is where you'd feel Giggs should be earning his corn. You'd hope he'd be in the lads ear, explaining how to maintain the right size and shape for your body in order to balance pace, balance and power.

Rumours are Giggs has given up on him.

 

[Will Singh]

Some of the things said on this thread are a embarrassment, a young lad in a new country has been written off is remarkable! Was you guys around when Ronnie joined? I'd hate to imagine how some in here would have reacted in Ronnies early days....

 

[Stack]

Rumours are Giggs has given up on him.

Which rumours?. Any links?

 

[.Rossi]

Which rumours?. Any links?

Nowt in any of the major papers. Few of the fanzines reported it and a few papers reported it.

 

[limerickcitykid]

What 22 year old is listening to or idolising 50 Cent and The Game in 2016?

He's most likely listening to guys like Young Thug, Future and Drake. Based on his dress sense anyway.

One with good tastw, Game shits all over them. Especially pussy ass bitches like Drake. The only thing to be learnt from Drake is the real talent is in grime and that's why he is hop on that shit when he should be hoppin back in his wheelchair.

 

[stevoc]

The fecking state of this thread, a young kid in his first year in the PL is having trouble adapting yeah thats never happened before.

He hasn't even been given a proper chance since Xmas, he can't have started more than 4-5 games. And probably not even 2 in a row. He needs another year or two to find his feet before a proper judgement can be made on him.

How on earth does his choice in clothes and music reflect his attitude? How anyone can determine a players attitude and mentality without having any direct contact with a person is staggering. You are dreaming up drivel based on assumption and fairy dust.

We are very lucky to have on the Caf many resident body language experts and/or psychics who can judge a persons character/personality and determine their attitude and motivations. And give the rest of us some great insights into them based on nothing more than watching them run around a football pitch for 90mins every other week. It's amazing really.

 

[11101]

The fecking state of this thread, a young kid in his first year in the PL is having trouble adapting yeah thats never happened before.

He hasn't even been given a proper chance since Xmas, he can't have started more than 4-5 games. And probably not even 2 in a row. He needs another year or two to find his feet before a proper judgement can be made on him.

Hes been quite unlucky to be fair to him. He can only play on the left side, which means hes up against a Martial noone ever expected to be so good so quickly. He would have more games otherwise, although if he doesnt learn to play another position its a struggle to see where he will fit in next season too.

 

[stevoc]

Hes been quite unlucky to be fair to him. He can only play on the left side, which means hes up against a Martial noone ever expected to be so good so quickly. He would have more games otherwise, although if he doesnt learn to play another position its a struggle to see where he will fit in next season too.

I could be wrong but didn't he play on the right in Holland quite often also?

 

[K2K]

I never said he hadn't been shit. I said the posts saying we should give up on him already are fecking stupid, and a sad indictment of the kind of impatient over expectation fans tend to place on young players.

Now go back to your Adisa cock worship.

Very immature response.

But maturity sadly doesn't necessarily come with age.

Beats me how something so trivial like talking about a struggling Dutch winger would lead to someone losing it so badly

 

[11101]

I could be wrong but didn't he play on the right in Holland quite often also?

When he was younger but not in the last couple of years.

 

[KM]

Baffling that he was just tried as a striker for one match in which he scored and generally did well and then never tried in that position again.

 

[Someone]

Too soon to write him off, the talent is there but the way he applies himself is where it all falls apart.

People didn't like it when Gullit talked about his car and lifestyle, but he was right, memphis seemed to think he made it without achieving anything, his attitude on the pitch reflected that.

I think we might regret selling him at this point, let's see how he handles himself this preseason, with possibly a new manager it could be an extra motivation for him.