I remain skeptic. He did in a league when the likes of Alfonso Aves and Mateja Kezman did it too.Yes.
He's put in the best individual performance we've seen from a player in a United shirt in years.I remain skeptic. He did in a league when the likes of Alfonso Aves and Mateja Kezman did it too.
He hasn't shown anything here to even be considered talented. No idea how things will go, but a good youtube clip doesn't make him a greatly talented player.
That was great but it still was against Midtyjlland. So, it doesn't mean much.He's put in the best individual performance we've seen from a player in a United shirt in years.
Yup and over two legs no player got remotely close to performing like that, against the team that beat us in the first leg, so it couldn't have been that easy. He's been disappointing this season but I would hope we would give a player more than two dozen starts before we throw him on the scrap heap. Maybe he is just a flat track bully, but you win the league beating the middle and bottoms teams, not the top ones. If after next season he still hasn't found consistency then fair enough, but not yet.That was great but it still was against Midtyjlland. So, it doesn't mean much.
Anyway, I wouldn't want to sell him this summer, but I don't have any idea how good/talented he is.
That was great but it still was against Midtyjlland. So, it doesn't mean much.
Anyway, I wouldn't want to sell him this summer, but I don't have any idea how good/talented he is.
He seems more of a quitter to me. He does try, don't get me wrong but he doesn't go the distance. We keep getting a good game or two out of him when he tries to make a point, and then he seemingly thinks his work is done and goes back into a half-arse mode. He has to realise playing for United isn't about showing his quality every once in a while, but the best effort is expected out of him almost every game.Ive always liked his attitude on the field he seems like a fighter. The talent is there he just needs to develop his game on a personal level. He's got no euro's this summer so after he has his blow out in Vegas or wherever he goes he best be putting overtime with his ball skills and fitness.
Martial does it against every team though.So I guess it doesn't even mean much either when Martial does similar against bottom table teams..
Agree with this, to be fair. As I said, I hope that we keep him (similarly how I hope that we give some chances to Januzaj next season), but no idea how good he really is. He hasn't done anything of note against any team of note.Yup and over two legs no player got remotely close to performing like that, against the team that beat us in the first leg, so it couldn't have been that easy. He's been disappointing this season but I would hope we would give a player more than two dozen starts before we throw him on the scrap heap. Maybe he is just a flat track bully, but you win the league beating the middle and bottoms teams, not the top ones. If after next season he still hasn't found consistency then fair enough, but not yet.
The middle and bottom teams in this league are far far stronger than Midgyland though so you can't even call him a flat track bully unless referring to very poor european teams like brugge and Midgytlland as that's all he's shown so far. The time and space he got in those games will never happen in the premier leagueYup and over two legs no player got remotely close to performing like that, against the team that beat us in the first leg, so it couldn't have been that easy. He's been disappointing this season but I would hope we would give a player more than two dozen starts before we throw him on the scrap heap. Maybe he is just a flat track bully, but you win the league beating the middle and bottoms teams, not the top ones. If after next season he still hasn't found consistency then fair enough, but not yet.
Try him on the right.
And Van Persie of course.Is LVG a bit harder on players he's personally vouched for (Memphis, Bastian etc) than he is with other United players? Seems that way to me...
So I guess it doesn't even mean much either when Martial does similar against bottom table teams..
He's had a very frustrating season. I don't want to give up on him yet but he has got a mountain to climb. It wouldn't surprise me if we spent money on attacking players in the transfer window (guaranteed if LVG goes imo) so it could get even worse.
He doesn't have the pace to burn defenders on their outside to put a cross in, his strength is cutting inside and having a shot. I can't see him playing on the right. He's never played there before too.I agree with those saying we should try him on the right. Martial is untouchable on the left.
Nail on the head.It's hard to see where he's going to get any regular game time for us, especially if we buy a new striker in the summer as that means Martial will start almost all of our games on the left side of the attack. I guess he might be converted but I question whether he's worth that much effort.
My major concern is his poor technique, and IMO his poor decisions have something to do with it.My major concern with Depay is his decision making. It's one of the worst I've ever seen. He seems to make the wrong decision every single time. Whether this is due to instruction from LVG or not I don't know. I didn't see enough of him at PSV to make a comparison.
I'd give him another season. We've seen small glimpses of what he is capable of.
Sure we can try him on the right, but it's extremely likely that we'll get another RW this summer so that leaves him in pretty bad situation. And I think Lingard is better suited to right side than him.I agree with those saying we should try him on the right. Martial is untouchable on the left.
I just came upon this video.
This was Ronaldo's first game for MUFC, in the league.
He is playing the same position as Memphis.
Ronaldo was 18 (Memphis is 22) and to my eyes, he showed more in this one game, than Memphis has all season.
We played him as 10 for almost the entire pre-season and most of the early games this season.He was even worse there. Even Van Gaal who can be quite stubborn quickly abandoned that.Actually if he improved his general play, I don't mind him playing at the #10 position. He has good physical strength, movement and can score a few. At RW or #10 it is for me, if he is to play in the XI next season.
He doesn't have the pace to burn defenders on their outside to put a cross in, his strength is cutting inside and having a shot. I can't see him playing on the right. He's never played there before too.
I remain skeptic. He did in a league when the likes of Alfonso Aves and Mateja Kezman did it too.
He hasn't shown anything here to even be considered talented. No idea how things will go, but a good youtube clip doesn't make him a greatly talented player.
The thing about Shaw is a myth, their cooperation was no existent and it was Shaw who run the Show on the left.That's true, but maybe he could surprise us all. Not in terms of pace, but in terms of decision making as he wouldn't be able to resort to his usual "cut inside on to the right foot" routine and maybe he'd become less predictable this way. He could also take advantage of a more attacking full back on the right (he misses Shaw and Rojo is useless in attack) as he's currently not good enough to make an impact on the wing without another player drawing the attention away from him. He's never going to outpace most defenders, but could become a very dangerous player if he improves his decision making.
Sitting on the bench is not doing him any good in that respect and won't increase his confidence either. I'm not sure what Van Gaal's plan is, to be honest. I know he's benched because the other attacking players are performing better than him, but even Van Gaal said that you can't improve if you don't play.
He's a frustrating player. His talent is obvious and you feel something could happen when he's got the ball, but most of the time his decision making fecks everything up. He's mostly been shit on the left and with Martial being a fecking God, I don't see why we can't try him on the right or at least more central. I think he was a striker in the 1-2 win at Watford and did very well, using his physicality and technique and was far less predictable there. We just need to find a solution, because I just feel he could thrive somewhere else where he's the main man just like he did at PSV.
The thing about Shaw is a myth, their cooperation was no existent and it was Shaw who run the Show on the left.
To me he looks like the guy who used to get the ball and run at the goal and take a shot (and it worked like a charm in Holland). Don't think he has much more in his locker right now and he isn't someone who "clearly has the potential", in fact I don't think his ceiling is much higher than we get right now drom him. I wish he could prove me wrong but I really don't think he will make it here. The only think I feel when he has the ball is he will either run into someone or pass it back.
No idea why people are blaming LVG for Depay being shite. LVG deserves blame for spunking 25m on him and then giving him so much undeserved game time but that's about it. It's not his fault Depay only ever turns up against third rate garbage.
I don't buy this at all. Memphis looks really uncomfortable on his left and defenders just show him that way to nullify him. With Shaw bombing beyond it became a less predictable situation and memphis could give defenders the slip because they couldn't just show him left.The thing about Shaw is a myth, their cooperation was no existent
What you say is true, however I remember complaining a lot about how he doesn't use Shaw who was positioning himself quite well in the attack and making the right runs. Of course it's worse with Rojo but once Shaw is fit again, him and Martial will be devastating on the left. Memphis was very selfish back in the times when Shaw played his best games for us early in the season, so it comes more to Luke being superb rather than some amazing partnership between them.I don't buy this at all. Memphis looks really uncomfortable on his left and defenders just show him that way to nullify him. With Shaw bombing beyond it became a less predictable situation and memphis could give defenders the slip because they couldn't just show him left.
They could combine again next year but again I'd rather see martial continue on the left as it's his best position by a distance
I just came upon this video.
This was Ronaldo's first game for MUFC, in the league.
He is playing the same position as Memphis.
Ronaldo was 18 (Memphis is 22) and to my eyes, he showed more in this one game, than Memphis has all season.
Yeah I take your point. They are great friends though so I think expectation was that they would communicate better over time. It is tough to even care because of how good martial is on the left though.What you say is true, however I remember complaining a lot about how he doesn't use Shaw who was positioning himself quite well in the attack and making the right runs. Of course it's worse with Rojo but once Shaw is fit again, him and Martial will be devastating on the left. Memphis was very selfish back in the times when Shaw played his best games for us early in the season, so it comes more to Luke being superb rather than some amazing partnership between them.
