Memphis | Manchester United Sub | Officially unravelled

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I am not very good at this but here goes (got some ideas from above)

The dream chaser from PSV
He isn't a defenders cup of tea
Liverpool & PSG made an enquir-ey
He said feck off to them
In our hands we have a gem

As I said, I am not very good with these
 
I keep seeing his goals and thinking, keeper should do better! Im still excited but it just shows the difference of standard of defending and goalkeeping. Im not 100% certain he will be a success but he has a brilliant chance!
 
Kevin said:
Wot? The point is, he is a Dutch guy intentionally giving an English 'slang' to a Dutch name which he knows full well how to pronounce. It's like a very softcore version of the Steve McClaren thing, where he spoke English with a Dutch accent and everyone on here fell over laughing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/sport/video-19957/Steve-McClaren-appears-fake-Dutch-accent.html
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Memphis is actually a bit shy and avoids media alot. He doesn't like to give interviews often and isn't great at them, he made a couple of blunders in Dutch already. I can tell he's not fully fluid in English, but he's good enough to deliver a message across. I think he's just trying to speak English well and therefore mispronounces van Gaal. Sounds stupid though, I agree.
 
NL Max said:
Memphis is actually a bit shy and avoids media alot. He doesn't like to give interviews often and isn't great at them, he made a couple of blunders in Dutch already. I can tell he's not fully fluid in English, but he's good enough to deliver a message across. I think he's just trying to speak English well and therefore mispronounces van Gaal. Sounds stupid though, I agree.
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Yeah you can see he is shy and nervous in this very interview actually. Had to inhale quite deeply every now and then to steady himself.
 
Kevin said:
Wot? The point is, he is a Dutch guy intentionally giving an English 'slang' to a Dutch name which he knows full well how to pronounce. It's like a very softcore version of the Steve McClaren thing, where he spoke English with a Dutch accent and everyone on here fell over laughing.
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A mistake is very easily made, especially with names. Being Dutch myself, when I'm speaking in English it feels very awkward to mix in Dutch pronounciation, doesn't come natural because I'm in a translation mode. I know Dutch, English, German and French. But I don't really use any original Dutch, French or German pronounciation when speaking in English.
 
After seeing Götze, Hazard, Neymar, James and the likes sign for other European giants in the last few years, when was the last time we signed a young player who looked on the verge of making the big step up to the top?

Does De Gea count? I guess Anderson sort of fits the bill, even if he pretty much ate himself out of the sport. Before that it must've been Rooney and Ronaldo. If Memphis gets even halfway down the Cristiano route he'll be a monster. He's the same age as Hazard was when he came to the Prem, and is coming off of a proper breakthrough season. I think he has the attitude and ability to become a star player in the league. It's an extremely exciting signing by all accounts.
 
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Dutch people have very good english. Blind, RVP, Depay, Robben and errm Louis.
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Ruud Van Nistelrooy, Jaap Stam, Van Der Saar. Simply put English is taught in Holland and its taken seriously. The Dutch are considered to be the second best non native English speakers in the world. They are above Sweden too and those guys speak excellent English with good accents. Denmark is number one
 
Bloedrood said:
A mistake is very easily made, especially with names. Being Dutch myself, when I'm speaking in English it feels very awkward to mix in Dutch pronounciation, doesn't come natural because I'm in a translation mode. I know Dutch, English, German and French. But I don't really use any original Dutch, French or German pronounciation when speaking in English.
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Oh I am Dutch myself and I do :)

Loublaze said:
He's another big admirer of LVG. Says a lot about his maturity that he's PSV's captain at 24. Wouldn't mind seeing him at OT. Its a Dutch revolution!
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I would mind.

Nate Dogg said:
How good is he @NL Max
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Not good enough for United. Maybe something for Southampton.

Not one player plying their trade in the eredivisie at the moment, other than Depay, is good enough or ready for a transfer to a foreign top club.
 
Iron Stove said:
Interesting to hear how close he was to signing for PSG. Then a call from Van Gaal and it was done.
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Probably would have made a lot more money at PSG. I'm staying far away from comparisons to Ronaldo because on raw talent he's just not in the same class. But this is a very ambitious guy absolutely committed to beeing the best player he can be. It seems to me he plans is own career and wanted to go to United all along, not because of the weather and the night life, but because he knows Van Gaal is the best teacher among the top managers and he knows he can still learn a lot, and because he can win most prizes here. He's convinced he will show what he can do and get his contract upgraded, because beeing in the same salary category as Blind and Shaw is a bit of a statement. It's not an insult, but it's a statement from him and the club that he's not the finished product yet.

Effectively he forced United to propose by talking to PSG, you wan't me or not, you've got to say it now. Of course PSV is getting a few million more because two of the richest clubs in the world were in a bidding contest, and Depay is getting a few million less because he chose United instead of PSG. He knew that and wanted PSV to have it. There's a new reality in Dutch football, there is the acceptance that the best players will have to move on and new ones will come. If the time is right the supporters will celebrate a transfer and the club and player are not adversaries but work together to get a good deal for everybody. Clubs are willing to accept a lower bid from the club the player wants to go to, instead of blocking all but the highest bidding club from Russia or something, and the players lets the club have a good negatiation position. So they give eachother farewell presents, Depay's farewell present to PSV is paid for by United of course.

Kevin said:
Wot? The point is, he is a Dutch guy intentionally giving an English 'slang' to a Dutch name which he knows full well how to pronounce.
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You always make names blend in with the language you speak, you don't switch in pronounciation halfway a sentence just because there's a name in it. It's a natural thing, for example I've never heard a Dutchman pronouncing Amsterdam or Holland in an English sentence just llike he would when speaking Dutch. So he can choose between anglicise the pronounciation of the name a bit, or anglicise it fully, he chose the latter. Which choice is just as ridiculous as the first or completely switching the English pronounciation off, pronounce the name, and switch to English again.

It's like a very softcore version of the Steve McClaren thing, where he spoke English with a Dutch accent and everyone on here fell over laughing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/sport/video-19957/Steve-McClaren-appears-fake-Dutch-accent.html
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Honestly, I don't hear it. Seems his normal English to me. I'm not saying it isn't there, probably I can't hear it because I'm Dutch. But language is contagious, it's not like your accent is immune to influences from the language spoken around you, wether it's Dutch or English with a Dutch accent spoken by the people from FC Twente.
 
He could rival Ronaldo when it comes to hard work and determination but no one expects him to be Ronaldo. Memphis is already a good player and he's got the work ethic to reach a much higher level if he keeps doing what he's doing and is given regular first team football.
 
Dr. Funkenstein said:
Probably would have made a lot more money at PSG. I'm staying far away from comparisons to Ronaldo because on raw talent he's just not in the same class. But this is a very ambitious guy absolutely committed to beeing the best player he can be. It seems to me he plans is own career and wanted to go to United all along, not because of the weather and the night life, but because he knows Van Gaal is the best teacher among the top managers and he knows he can still learn a lot, and because he can win most prizes here. He's convinced he will show what he can do and get his contract upgraded, because beeing in the same salary category as Blind and Shaw is a bit of a statement. It's not an insult, but it's a statement from him and the club that he's not the finished product yet.

Effectively he forced United to propose by talking to PSG, you wan't me or not, you've got to say it now. Of course PSV is getting a few million more because two of the richest clubs in the world were in a bidding contest, and Depay is getting a few million less because he chose United instead of PSG. He knew that and wanted PSV to have it. There's a new reality in Dutch football, there is the acceptance that the best players will have to move on and new ones will come. If the time is right the supporters will celebrate a transfer and the club and player are not adversaries but work together to get a good deal for everybody. Clubs are willing to accept a lower bid from the club the player wants to go to, instead of blocking all but the highest bidding club from Russia or something, and the players lets the club have a good negatiation position. So they give eachother farewell presents, Depay's farewell present to PSV is paid for by United of course.


You always make names blend in with the language you speak, you don't switch in pronounciation halfway a sentence just because there's a name in it. It's a natural thing, for example I've never heard a Dutchman pronouncing Amsterdam or Holland in an English sentence just llike he would when speaking Dutch. So he can choose between anglicise the pronounciation of the name a bit, or anglicise it fully, he chose the latter. Which choice is just as ridiculous as the first or completely switching the English pronounciation off, pronounce the name, and switch to English again.


Honestly, I don't hear it. Seems his normal English to me. I'm not saying it isn't there, probably I can't hear it because I'm Dutch. But language is contagious, it's not like your accent is immune to influences from the language spoken around you, wether it's Dutch or English with a Dutch accent spoken by the people from FC Twente.
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Yes and I am Dutch as well and I tell you I and a number of others I know
do switch back to the correct and original pronunciations. Naturally.

Pronouncing Holland in the English way or even Amsterdam is a different thing as they are universally known and have transcended one specific language as they are geographical names and do not sound as dodgy the English way.
But I would still pronounce Marije or Jan, words or names not in other countries' dictionaries, as you would in Dutch and not say Maraye (soft R) or Yaaan to blend in with English speakers. That would be ridiculous.
 
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We should make a poll

Would Memphis gets straight into the team and starts matches? OR Would he be slowly integrated into team while Ashley Young stays on the pitch

I'd go to the extreme and would say we should just plunge him into the baptism of fire and let him swim or sink. It works with Rooney / Ronaldo.
 
Kevin said:
Yes and I am Dutch as well and I tell you I and a number if others I know
do switch back to the correct and original pronunciations. Naturally.

Pronouncing Holland in the English way or even Amsterdam is a different thing as they are universally known and have transcended one specific language.
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That's because you hear it a lot with a foreign pronounciation, just like Louie Ven Haal :), also universally known and trancended language.

But I would still pronounce Marije or Jan as you would in Dutch and not say Maraye (soft R) or Yaaan to blend in with Rnglish speakers. That would be ridiculous.
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Surely the pronounciation is slightly different, and what about names like 'Chris' and 'John'? It's easier when names are completely alien to the foreign language, but if they can blend in and are blended in before, they will.
 
Dr. Funkenstein said:
That's because you hear it a lot with a foreign pronounciation, just like Louie Ven Haal :), also universally known and trancended language.

Surely the pronounciation is slightly different, and what about names like 'Chris' and 'John'? It's easier when names are completely alien to the foreign language, but if they can blend in and are blended in before, they will.
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Yeah I was about to say. Certain words sound less unnatural than others or are not exclusively a Dutch word or name and you wouldn't feel an oaf or wannabe by pronouncing them the English way, like Richard.

ven Haal might be 'universally known' (in other words, now you mention it I did see that last name once or twice in spme movie credits) but this is a word that sounds unnatural to pronounce in another way. It's original pronunciation is too exclusive and specific. So it immediately stood out to me as a Dutchman and had me smirking.
 
Says he was real close to joining PSG.

http://www.espnfc.com/dutch-eredivi...gning-memphis-depay-admires-cristiano-ronaldo

Memphis Depay has said he looks up to former Manchester United forward Cristiano Ronaldo while revealing he came "really close" to joining Paris Saint-Germain.

Last week it was confirmed that United have agreed a deal with PSV Eindhoven for the transfer of Depay in a deal reportedly worth €30 million.

The Netherlands international followed that news with a stunning free kick in his side's 2-0 win over Heracles Almelo on Sunday, before he was substituted to a standing ovation in his last game at the Philips Stadion.

Depay, 21, said in The Sun: "I hope I can one day be like the big guys in the world. I train every day on my free kicks and the United fans can expect something.

"I believe in myself and, if I have the chance to take the free kick, then I will put it in the net.

"Ronaldo is someone I watch, I watch all the big players. I look up to them and I can learn from them.

"I am down to earth and I hope I can reach that level. I'll fight for it and I will do my best in every training session to get better."

Interest in Depay was reportedly high, and the winger has said he nearly joined Ligue 1 giants PSG before agreeing his United deal.

He said: "The transfer to PSG was really close. I always knew United were interested but it was nothing concrete. Then at the last moment they called and I spoke with their coach.

"It was a difficult situation but, after I spoke to Louis van Gaal, I said, 'I am going to go to Manchester.'

"I'm really proud and I believe I can be a big player at Old Trafford. I will give everything I have.

"I said to myself when I was 12, 'I want to play there.' It's a dream come true."
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Bloedrood said:
A mistake is very easily made, especially with names. Being Dutch myself, when I'm speaking in English it feels very awkward to mix in Dutch pronounciation, doesn't come natural because I'm in a translation mode. I know Dutch, English, German and French. But I don't really use any original Dutch, French or German pronounciation when speaking in English.
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This. After the WBA game I met some random Irish guys at a pub who got excited about Jari Litmanen because he's from my home country. At first I pronounced Litmanen the correct Finnish way but it started to sound so stupid I switched it to the bad Irish way of pronunciation. Every "Litmanen" in the Finnish way sounded like some online speech generator stuff to my ears :lol:
 
The only thing that always irritates me is how english commentators say "van". Van Gaal, Van der Sar, Van Nistelrooy.

Vice versa, i rarely ever hear dutch commentators say english names in a dutch way. BeckHAM or SCHoles.

But what they keep doing...the gaya.
 
Rezyuz said:
The only thing that always irritates me is how english commentators say "van". Van Gaal, Van der Sar, Van Nistelrooy.

Vice versa, i rarely ever hear dutch commentators say english names in a dutch way. BeckHAM or SCHoles.

But what they keep doing...the gaya.
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So... how are you supposed to say "van"? :confused:
 
Rezyuz said:
Vice versa, i rarely ever hear dutch commentators say english names in a dutch way. BeckHAM or SCHoles.
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They always have to compromise, because they're not native speakers, and they are using the pronounciations in the midlle of foreign sentences. It's sounds rediculous if they try to be too correct. Then we hear Cristianooh Ronaldooh and Fredsjsj, but still with an accent. If Dutch people try to have a real English pronounciation they sound like a drunken Prince Charles making his moves in a gay bar. Just get the basics right, respect it's a foreign name and make it sound like that, but don't try to impersonate a native speaker if you're not.

I think the English might do a bit more to respect the foreign origins of names, it's not necessarily pronounced as they read it. You don't have to make any name sound like the man was born in England.
 
I don't get excited by the muppet chase. However since his signing it looks like he has an excellent attitude. It'll be a huge step up to the Premier League but for some reason I'm confident that he will adapt and take the league by storm.
 
Rezyuz said:
Ignore the other guy who says "fan".

You pronounce the A as like americans would pronounce the A in the name "VAUGHN". just take out the UGH :P.

Best way i could describe it haha.
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Yeah it's one of those that you really need to write out using those phonetic systems, since to some people it's somewhere in between a ton of different things (van, von, fan, fon...) :)
 
De Telegraaf are saying Memphis won't play the next game for PSV and that he will fly in this week to have his medical.
 
Kevin said:
ven Haal might be 'universally known' (in other words, now you mention it I did see that last name once or twice in spme movie credits) but this is a word that sounds unnatural to pronounce in another way. It's original pronunciation is too exclusive and specific. So it immediately stood out to me as a Dutchman and had me smirking.
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I've noticed for me when speaking in English that the Dutch pronounciation of the G feels very out of place because it's just not a part of the English language at all. It also kind of depends who I am talking to. When I speak English first and foremost I want to be understood easily, I care more about that than original pronounciation. Especially when talking to people I don't know well. It might have evolved from back when I worked alot with tourists in Amsterdam. When talking to friends, or my girlfriend for instance who is originally Swedish, it's different. But they tend to also show an interest in knowing the right pronounciations, and they know my use of language.
 
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Nate Dogg said:
How good is he @NL Max
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Wijnaldum is a good player, but he's another 10 who could play 8. We're stocked for that positition and he's not a great defender. He's a fast, 2 footed attacking midfielder who will score goals, he played as a winger before. I don't think he should go to a absolute topclub, I think he's a level below that.
 
Does anyone else feel the transition period for him should be pretty short? Dutch players generally seem to adapt to the premier league pretty quickly. He is also well built for the physical side of things and knows Van Gaals philosophy pretty well already.

He will also get an entire pre season with the team which is bound to help.
 
NL Max said:
Wijnaldum is a good player, but he's another 10 who could play 8. We're stocked for that positition and he's not a great defender. He's a fast, 2 footed attacking midfielder who will score goals, he played as a winger before. I don't think he should go to a absolute topclub, I think he's a level below that.
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Wijnaldum is good for a Crystal Palace. Average for a Southampton and just plain useless for a club like Man United aspiring to become champions.
 
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