4231, rooney striker, adm and depay on wings, mata as no 10. Herrera in midfield, Blind and Carrick for CDM and possible LB.
Memphis Depay | PSV confirm deal with Man Utd is agreed!
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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Hazard played in a half baked league as well.
Really? Really? Lets take a look at the stats for this season now shall we?
Depay:
Appearances: 37
Goals: 26
Assists: 6
Nani:
Appearances: 34
Goals: 11
Assists: 8
Mata:
Appearances: 30
Goals: 9
Assists: 4
Di Maria:
Appearances: 30
Goals: 4
Assists: 12
Young:
Appearances: 25
Goals: 2
Assists: 4
Ironic thing is that most of the people poo-pooing Memphis' transfer haven't seen him enough to form an educated opinion, much like Herrera or Blind last season. They just have a preconceived notion of his potential and playing style, with nothing in the way of qualifying said opinion.
FWIW he's not much like Nani, apart from maybe his cockiness and position of play. I really like Nani, he is more technically gifted but unfortunately a bit mentally fragile, and he never quite harnessed that naturally ability, resulting in inconsistencies and stalled development.
Meanwhile, with Memphis even at this stage you can tell that he has immense mental resilience, and has a definitive long term developmental plan. He's progressed every season thus far, from being in the shadow of Maher and Narsingh, and being considered an inferior talent to Bakkali, to emerging as the main man at PSV, polishing his technique and stamina and finishing. And most of his improvement is focused on limiting wasted motion and just streamlining his effectiveness as opposed to Nani's largely virtuoso playing style.
The transfer will probably set us back £20-25 million at a stretch, but considering his substantial talent, it's hardly an obscene amount for a club of United's stature. It's not like signing him will stop us from adding players at other positions. These are the type of dealings that are considered smart business in the long term considering his age profile and the fact that could be an important player for 5 seasons if not more, plus a player of equivalent value might cost us double the amount in 2 or 3 seasons.
FWIW he's not much like Nani, apart from maybe his cockiness and position of play. I really like Nani, he is more technically gifted but unfortunately a bit mentally fragile, and he never quite harnessed that naturally ability, resulting in inconsistencies and stalled development.
Meanwhile, with Memphis even at this stage you can tell that he has immense mental resilience, and has a definitive long term developmental plan. He's progressed every season thus far, from being in the shadow of Maher and Narsingh, and being considered an inferior talent to Bakkali, to emerging as the main man at PSV, polishing his technique and stamina and finishing. And most of his improvement is focused on limiting wasted motion and just streamlining his effectiveness as opposed to Nani's largely virtuoso playing style.
The transfer will probably set us back £20-25 million at a stretch, but considering his substantial talent, it's hardly an obscene amount for a club of United's stature. It's not like signing him will stop us from adding players at other positions. These are the type of dealings that are considered smart business in the long term considering his age profile and the fact that could be an important player for 5 seasons if not more, plus a player of equivalent value might cost us double the amount in 2 or 3 seasons.
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He is sponsored by adidas as well.
Do people actually expect him to be? He's only 21. I'd wager that he's better than AdM and Bale were at the same age.
He's sponsored by Under Armour - he used to be sponsored by adidas until Feb when he made the switch.
I stand corrected.
Since he could also play up front, you'd think he'd kill two birds with one stone by sorting out the LM spot and the back up striker spot. Maybe?
He isn't likely to be a starter straight away, and we should be playing lots of games next season.
Its also possible that ADM or Mata will get a run at playing 10 next season.
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Don't think so, especially not under van Gaal. He's never played as a striker before and I don't think he fits van Gaal's profile of a striker. To play as a striker for van Gaal he needs to be able to play with his back to goal and hold up the ball, he could maybe do this (but he's not the tallest) and it wouldn't make use of his strengths. Van Gaal likes real #9's like van Persie, he doesn't even like Messi as striker. So I seriously doubt he'd consider Memphis a striker.
He's a left winger who might play right winger (but again - that would limit him).
Why are people arguing Schneiderlin vs Depay? They play different positions why can't we have both?
Ah fair enough - fair point.
It seems that Eredivisie is so poorly regarded here that they are comparable to Championship or even League One? Depay scored 20 goals in the league and yet he had proven nothing because it is a terrible league?
It's not as if the Dutch league is so terrible that their players are all flopping in EPL. Let's take a look at the recent signings from Eredivisie - Blind, Eriksen, Chadli, Tadic, Pelle, Janmaat, Bony, Vertonghen, Alderweireld or even a certain Suarez - shows how bad they all can be eh?
Be realistic, the Eredivisie isn't as good as they were back then but they are not a terrible league at all.
It's not as if the Dutch league is so terrible that their players are all flopping in EPL. Let's take a look at the recent signings from Eredivisie - Blind, Eriksen, Chadli, Tadic, Pelle, Janmaat, Bony, Vertonghen, Alderweireld or even a certain Suarez - shows how bad they all can be eh?
Be realistic, the Eredivisie isn't as good as they were back then but they are not a terrible league at all.
This sounds pretty good to me.
Judging only from that video, he's clearly talented but there's some horrendous defending and goalkeeping going on, plus as tricky as he might be I can see him being a bit frustrating in trying one trick too many.
Obviously you can't properly judge anything from a YouTube video, though.
Obviously you can't properly judge anything from a YouTube video, though.
That's not a bad list of players to have successfully moved to the EPL from Eredivisie.
I've never seen him play but I've just decided he'll become an all time great.
Well said. Almost as if @NL Max had wrote it himself.
Worth mentioning as well, we need to add depth to the squad with *touchwood* Champions League football coming up. Not to mention a longer League Cup run too.
If (and when) the deal is announced, I'm committing to an Adidas shirt with Memphis on the back. Fanboy 101*
* If he goes to Liverpool I piece of me may die inside.
No chance he's going to go Liverpool/Tottenham, it would actually be a downgrade from PSV as they are going to get Champions League football, he'd be better off staying put.
We should ideally seal this as soon as possible.
We should ideally seal this as soon as possible.
This place is hilarious. If it were Chelsea signing him (ala Cuadrado) we would be crucified for missing out on him, but as its likely to be us he's suddenly a shit(er) Downing.
That's true, but I think there would be more cause for concern if he was 25 or so. But he's only 21 and the quality of this league should be a good natural progression for him. That, as well as reports and claims of him being very determined to improve is really endearing. Sort of the character that Fergie would jump on, ten times out of ten.
The vast majority of the forum seem to want him at the club. You're seeing things.
Get him signed Woody
From what i have seen of him he is one hell of a player. Fast, Skillfull and clinical
From what i have seen of him he is one hell of a player. Fast, Skillfull and clinical
If it wasn't for the fact he's been a goal machine this season(27 goals from LW) then I probably wouldn't want him. He doesn't look as good as Hazard was at Lille imo but then again they have completely different play styles. Because of his goal record this season. expectations are going to high for him so I hope he can cope mentally.
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I compare him to Nani not in terms of playing style, but his ability, potential, reputation etc. Every summer there are half a dozen such prospects being touted around over Europe, most of whom get a move to a big(ger) club. Some of them turn out like Hazard, a lot of them turn out like Cuadrado.
My gripe is not that I dont think Depay may become a good player, but because it is far from a sure thing. For me, RB and a winger are the two highest priority positions that we need to strengthen. I dont want the club to take risks on these positions, with players who may or may not meet their potential/expectation.
Basically, if we put our eggs in the Depay basket and he doesnt make an immediate impact next season, we are left with a problem because we only have Young (maybe), Di Maria (maybe) and Januzaj (maybe). For a position that we need an established first choice player in, that is what we should sign, not a player who we hope can make the step up to playing for a big club/in the PL etc.
If we sign a Sterling or a Bale, there is a much lower risk involved, which is what I want in that position.
I compare him to Nani not in terms of playing style, but his ability, potential, reputation etc. Every summer there are half a dozen such prospects being touted around over Europe, most of whom get a move to a big(ger) club. Some of them turn out like Hazard, a lot of them turn out like Cuadrado.
My gripe is not that I dont think Depay may become a good player, but because it is far from a sure thing. For me, RB and a winger are the two highest priority positions that we need to strengthen. I dont want the club to take risks on these positions, with players who may or may not meet their potential/expectation.
Basically, if we put our eggs in the Depay basket and he doesnt make an immediate impact next season, we are left with a problem because we only have Young (maybe), Di Maria (maybe) and Januzaj (maybe). For a position that we need an established first choice player in, that is what we should sign, not a player who we hope can make the step up to playing for a big club/in the PL etc.
If we sign a Sterling or a Bale, there is a much lower risk involved, which is what I want in that position.
Ok
The difference with Depay is he is proven. 26 (?) goals in one season for a very decent side like PSV, as a wide player, is brilliant. He's strong, fast and skilful and would be a brilliant buy for United.
Haven't seen much of him at all but the reports I've read are promising, particularly in regards to his personality/drive. Plus (unlike a lot of targets we might pursue) we can be sure he will adapt to LVG's style.
On a side note, I love seeing transfer reports from the BBC. Actual proper news instead of the shite we normally get fed.
On a side note, I love seeing transfer reports from the BBC. Actual proper news instead of the shite we normally get fed.
I dont regard the goals this season as proof of anything - he is their penalty and FK taker, and the Dutch league is not the strongest by a long stretch.
It is impressive, but not "he is definitely the next Messi" material.
He doesn't take their penalties. He missed 2 because he was too overconfident, he hasn't taken them for months. Luuk de Jong takes them.
He doesn't take all FK's either, Willems and Maher do too.
Ah, I was going by previous posts in this thread, apologies.
WOW!
So what? Ronaldo scored some FK's for us too, Depay is a better free kick taker than anyone we have, how many free kicks have we scored this season? Talking about the ones who arent just missed by everyone. It's a great attribute to have.
The dutch league isnt the strongest, but look how the former top players of that league are doing jn the PL, Verthongen, Alderweireld, Chadli, Tadic, Eriksen, Blind, Suarez all in just recent years. The Netherlands also ended 3rd at the WC with 5 players of the Ed in the starting XI at that time. (Cillesen, janmaat, de vrij, indi, blind).
I'm not sure how many times you have to see him to qualify for a credible view, serious question not sarcasm. Between the World Cup, PSV games and Dutch qualifiers I'd say I've seen him in full matches between 12-15 times. I've seen some good things from him but he doesn't carry the ball at speed the way I hoped and his dribbling technique is very loose, those 2 things I think we are missing more than someone that is just fast across 20 yards into open space.
When Hazard was at Lille, Isco at Malaga, Gotze at Dortmund and Sanchez at Udinese you could see real magic there, I just don't see that with Depay. In fact if you compare him to his peers such as Fekir, Dybala, Vietto and Sterling I think he looks less developed and skilled than them.
I'm not saying he can't develop into a very good player, not at all, but the levels to which some are hyping this buy is weird to me, he's not even guaranteed to unseat Young on our left of the front 3 and that is an issue I think needs addressing, as while Young has had a decent season he's not of the required standard in a front 3 to push for the title IMO.
If there is anyone who knows if Memphis is the right player for United, then its going to be LVG, considering he's already managed him.
If he wants him (which he clearly seems to) then thats good enough for me.
If he wants him (which he clearly seems to) then thats good enough for me.
As you say, it doesn't matter what all the experts on here think, it's what the manager thinks.
Comparing Depay to Cuadrado is unfair, simply because Cuadrado is 5 years older than him. Even so, aren't you being too hasty in thinking that Cuadrado is the definition of a failed transfer? As far as I can remember he had only been in Chelsea for a few months. Vidic and Evra weren't exactly lighting the PL up when they first joined but they turned out fine in the end.
LVG had worked with Depay for a long time and even if there are risks involved I'm pretty sure they are calculated risk, instead of us signing a player blindly. And what is indicating to you that we are putting all our eggs in the Depay basket? It's not as if we can only make 1 signing this summer.
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