Memphis Depay | PSV confirm deal with Man Utd is agreed!

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Trizy said:
Young has been praised by some as one of our best players but yet had only scored 1 and assisted 1, I dunno about you but I'd rather someone who can do what Young can do and score 15+ goals.
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If Depay came and got 15+ goals, I'd be ecstatic. However, as you know, there is a fair chance that he won't do it in the PL despite the fact that he did it in Holland. I don't think I want another Young without the 15+ goals, to use your example - although I'm not saying that's all that he is.

For me, the wide player I want us to sign isn't necessarily all about goals. Penalties aside, that could be taken by Coutois - Hazard is not a great goalscoring winger. However, he opens up the game for Chelsea in a way that their goalscorers cannot.

Moura, or Douglas Costa would get my vote, although I'm not writing off Depay - just saying I have some reservations.
 
He wouldn't pick Liverpool if we were in for him so I'm pretty comfortable about the idea of Liverpool bidding.

Spurs are a different matter though, with their state of the art facility, best manager in the country, best forward in the world, best goalkeeper in the league and best fan in @GlastonSpur plus the obvious lure of Daniel Levy and the fact that they're ahead of us in the real, true Glaston table regardless of what happens on the pitch, I doubt we'd stand the chance against them.
 
Sarni said:
He wouldn't pick Liverpool if we were in for him so I'm pretty comfortable about the idea of Liverpool bidding.

Spurs are a different matter though, with their state of the art facility, best manager in the country, best forward in the world, best goalkeeper in the league and best fan in @GlastonSpur plus the obvious lure of Daniel Levy and the fact that they're ahead of us in the real, true Glaston table regardless of what happens on the pitch, I doubt we'd stand the chance against them.
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i think you had Memphis at Glaston....
 
On the subject of Tottenham, he did sign a deal with Under Armour last month.
 
Bloedrood said:
On the subject of Tottenham, he did sign a deal with Under Armour last month.
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That really means feck all though. So did Fellaini, it's just a boot/clothing sponsor.
 
Bill.s.preston said:
I, for one, am off to work on his chant, based on deeply dippy by right said fred.
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'Walking in Memphis'

I've been trying to get PSV supporters to sing it but they just won't..

Raoul said:
How would you compare Depay with Robben of 10 years ago ?
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Since I was 11 at the time I can't make a fair judgement of that. I didn't follow him after he left PSV either.

Ole's_toe_poke said:
Liverpool wouldn't be wasting time sending their scouts to watch him if this one was already done and dusted. IMO.

Even if we are in pole position, this one will probably rumble in.
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We haven't signed him yet obviously. Wether we're going to is a different question. The answer to that is yes, so Liverpool are wasting their time if we're interested (which I'm sure we are).

Rozay said:
If Depay came and got 15+ goals, I'd be ecstatic. However, as you know, there is a fair chance that he won't do it in the PL despite the fact that he did it in Holland. I don't think I want another Young without the 15+ goals, to use your example - although I'm not saying that's all that he is.

For me, the wide player I want us to sign isn't necessarily all about goals. Penalties aside, that could be taken by Coutois - Hazard is not a great goalscoring winger. However, he opens up the game for Chelsea in a way that their goalscorers cannot.

Moura, or Douglas Costa would get my vote, although I'm not writing off Depay - just saying I have some reservations.
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Memphis isn't a Hazard, no. He doesn't just score goals though, he does have tricks and pace to beat a couple of defenders. He just doesn't take the hard route anymore, he rather passes 1 defender and then pass the ball (if there are 3 more).

He's working incredibly hard on his overall contribution, if you've followed him for 2 years you'd see that. He lost his greed and is a real team player nowadays. He's involved in most PSV attacks, even if he doesn't assist/score.
 
Rozay said:
If Depay came and got 15+ goals, I'd be ecstatic. However, as you know, there is a fair chance that he won't do it in the PL despite the fact that he did it in Holland. I don't think I want another Young without the 15+ goals, to use your example - although I'm not saying that's all that he is.

For me, the wide player I want us to sign isn't necessarily all about goals. Penalties aside, that could be taken by Coutois - Hazard is not a great goalscoring winger. However, he opens up the game for Chelsea in a way that their goalscorers cannot.

Moura, or Douglas Costa would get my vote, although I'm not writing off Depay - just saying I have some reservations.
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He didn't score yesterday, he was still brilliant though and was involved in both goals. His performance yesterday reminded me alot of how Mata has played for us the last two games but with added power and flair. His movement off the ball is really good aswell.
 
Rozay said:
This is my only concern. He is skillful, but I don't think he is a player that can carry the ball over a distance at speed. In fairness, Di Maria offers that, but he seems to have no clue what he is doing once he has the ball for longer than 4 seconds.
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Agreed, the type of player we should be taking punts on. Not all of them work out, but some will. :drool:
 
I watched him for the first time against Turkey and didn't think he was anything special.

There was nothing average about him last night though. Maybe a shade off the very best, but, on the evidence of this game, he's a quality player who offers a lot. I hope we're interested.
 
Mainoldo said:
Still didn't see him leave anyone for dead.. :wenger::)
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Considering he was playing against carvajal who is very quick himself, that's not surprising. International games rarely get that stretched either to create full pace situations. I'm more intrigued about what he does with the ball, and against Spain he looked very good.
 
Think he has everything Hazard had when he was at Lille. Could easily be as good if given the same platform to improve.
 
He is actually a very good passer and really creative too. If he wasn't so fast, he could definitely play in the hole. As it is, his best position is outwide and he'd do very well on our left wing.

Would also be good to get another right-footed attacker, considering all of them, bar Rooney and Young are left-footed.
 
Rozay said:
Still unsure on Depay myself. He is a talent, but I can't help thinking I'd prefer a player who is better at running with the ball. Depay is fast, in the sense that if a ball is played over the top and he has to sprint against a defender, there is a good chance he'll win. He is less fast in the 'just picked the ball up on the halfway line in a 3 on 3 counter-attack' situation. Someone like Narsingh, for instance, who is rubbish - is a much better direct runner. Depay has a trick, and can fool a defender one on one in a standing position - but he doesn't ghost past 2 or 3 on a run.

I think at this moment, I'd pick Lucas Moura if I had a choice. Depay, at a club like United, woul be all or nothing - in the sense that he'd be a great signing if he can replicate his PSV goal output - as he will then just be a 'great goalscoring winger'. He will find it harder of course, and if the goals don't come, I just don't think he'd be that effective a player. A player like Aaron Lennon, or even Ryan Giggs can be game-changers and really open up a game without having the greatest output, for example. I think Depay is 20 goals or nothing, or at least 20 goals or 'not enough'.
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You could make a decent case that we need a 2nd goalscorer apart from Rooney out there. If the scouts and Van Gaal think Depay can be a 1 in 3 or better player from the left-wing, then I think you sign him and look for a great creative (passing, dribbling or both) type on the opposite wing (be it a new player or one of Mata, Di Maria or Januzaj thriving there).

Also, apart from Callejon and Cavani, I can't think of a single player in the best 5 leagues who has consistently exceeded a rate of 1 in 3 (or even 1 in 4) goals from out wide the last few years without being pretty damn great. It just feels like with a productive, goalscoring winger, the absolute floor would be someone like Kevin Mirallas, and that's a good worst-case scenario.

Obviously, Depay could fail to score goals here, but if we think he'll get at least 15 goals a season in 50ish games, he's basically a no-brainer.
 
hobbers said:
Think he has everything Hazard had when he was at Lille. Could easily be as good if given the same platform to improve.
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Hazard's technical skill (look at how many of his goals are basically him passing the ball into the corner), agility and nimbleness were (and are) special in a way I don't think Depay is.

The case for Depay is more that he could be a fast goalscorer from out wide on the end of plays more than the guy starting them, I think. More Bale/Ronaldo/Reus and less Hazard/Ribery. No coincidence the first 3 names are all tall and the last 2 are shorter. I guess there are guys like Ronaldinho and Messi who score goals and are agile enough to creatively dominate from deeper, but I don't see that as much from Depay.
 
God, how many penalties did Hazard have in that season?

If you're going to use a video to demonstrate Hazard's technical superiority over Depay, don't use that one.
 
Hazard is Messi-light whereas Depay is Ronaldo-light.
 
Yes, Depay is built like a tank. :drool: Guess there won't be many suggesting he should bulk up should we sign him. :smirk:
 
Kill 'em all said:
Yes, Depay is built like a tank. :drool: Guess there won't be many suggesting he should bulk up should we sign him. :smirk:
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Which is another reason why he should translate to the premier league no problem IMO
 
Don't know about all these Hazard comparisons. He plays like a young Arda Turan.
 
Mainoldo said:
Don't know about all these Hazard comparisons. He plays like a young Arda Turan.
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I like that comparison, Reus is another good comparison.
I find it surprising that his new found composure on the ball bother people, he chose to not be gung ho anymore, but that doesn't mean that he isn't a dribbler or that he lacks the technical abilities against Spain for example he was probably the most comfortable player on the ball, he always seems to have a lot more times than any other player on the field, and this impression his only due to the fact that he is better technically and physically than his opponents.
 
JPRouve said:
I like that comparison, Reus is another good comparison.
I find it surprising that his new found composure on the ball bother people, he chose to not be gung ho anymore, but that doesn't mean that he isn't a dribbler or that he lacks the technical abilities against Spain for example he was probably the most comfortable player on the ball, he always seems to have a lot more times than any other player on the field, and this impression his only due to the fact that he is better technically and physically than his opponents.
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Yep, it really helps that his speed makes people want to get tight, but his strength holds most defenders off with ease. He uses his body so well and keeps the ball away from defenders when under pressure, and then uses good footwork to turn away quickly. He must be a nightmare to defend as he can beat you in so many different ways - I think that's where the Hazard comparisons end though really.
 
I'm getting excited about his debut already :D .. I'm convinced this is nailed on so we've already a brilliant player in the bag, the only remaining question is what is the other 100m being spent on? Everyone and their dog knows we're gonna spend feck loads in the summer and with 1 more big spend on the right players I think we can follows Bayerns mold of only needing to sign 1 (30-40) million player a season to sustain a brilliant squad.
 
dxadel said:
Apparently its Sterling > Depay now.
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Tbh I'd take Sterling over him.. As he's probably the best U21 talent in the world (not sure Pogba's age now). But can't see Sterling taking that life threatening risk.
 
JPRouve said:
I like that comparison, Reus is another good comparison.
I find it surprising that his new found composure on the ball bother people, he chose to not be gung ho anymore, but that doesn't mean that he isn't a dribbler or that he lacks the technical abilities against Spain for example he was probably the most comfortable player on the ball, he always seems to have a lot more times than any other player on the field, and this impression his only due to the fact that he is better technically and physically than his opponents.
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Exactly how I see it... He's got great feet but more dribbles out is sticky situations than say a Giggs or Robben dart run.
 
saivet said:
It's been like that for a while. Hence why Sterling won the Golden Boy and not Depay.
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Same award Anderson won? Sterling beat the likes of Januzaj,Chambers,Shaw,Deulofeu,Bentaleb and Origi to it.

Depay wasn't even shortlisted despite having a better season, but ok.
 
To be fair Sterling has been "on the map" for 2 years or so playing at more known league, and playing well for his country. Depay only last year started making a real name for himself, and this year has flourished and taken a real leap forward.

While Sterling quite rightly deserved the golden boy award IMO, it doesn't mean his overall ceiling will be higher than Depay.

The fact of the matter is we aren't going to be signing Sterling, while Depay is a good possibility.
 
dxadel said:
Same award Anderson won? Sterling beat the likes of Januzaj,Chambers,Shaw,Deulofeu,Bentaleb and Origi to it.

Depay wasn't even shortlisted despite having a better season, but ok.
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It still a well regarded thing and most of the winners have gone onto to do good things. He was better than Sterling last season? Sterling was brilliant for Liverpool, especially in the latter half of last season. Like I've said, I've not seen a great deal of Depay, but from what I've heard, it doesn't sound like he was better.
 
Sterling is more of a Messi to me, Depay more a Ronaldo. Not saying they have that potential quality. I say this because Sterling is more the crazy dribbler type who does alot on intuition while Depay is more a training animal, dedicated to improve and succeed. It's why he has that body, he puts in alot of extra time and effort.
 
Sarni said:
He wouldn't pick Liverpool if we were in for him so I'm pretty comfortable about the idea of Liverpool bidding.

Spurs are a different matter though, with their state of the art facility, best manager in the country, best forward in the world, best goalkeeper in the league and best fan in @GlastonSpur plus the obvious lure of Daniel Levy and the fact that they're ahead of us in the real, true Glaston table regardless of what happens on the pitch, I doubt we'd stand the chance against them.
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:lol: great post
 
Sarni said:
He wouldn't pick Liverpool if we were in for him so I'm pretty comfortable about the idea of Liverpool bidding.

Spurs are a different matter though, with their state of the art facility, best manager in the country, best forward in the world, best goalkeeper in the league and best fan in @GlastonSpur plus the obvious lure of Daniel Levy and the fact that they're ahead of us in the real, true Glaston table regardless of what happens on the pitch, I doubt we'd stand the chance against them.
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:lol:
 
saivet said:
It still a well regarded thing and most of the winners have gone onto to do good things. He was better than Sterling last season? Sterling was brilliant for Liverpool, especially in the latter half of last season. Like I've said, I've not seen a great deal of Depay, but from what I've heard, it doesn't sound like he was better.
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Memphis shouldn't have won it over Sterling. Weird thing is: Willems from PSV was nominated and not Memphis, whilst the latter had a better season.

So I take the whole award with a pinch of salt.
 
NL Max said:
Memphis shouldn't have won it over Sterling. Weird thing is: Willems from PSV was nominated and not Memphis, whilst the latter had a better season.

So I take the whole award with a pinch of salt.
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Messi, Aguero, Pogba, Rooney, Fabregas. Apart from Anderson and Balotelli..Yeah I wouldn't say its a bad list.
 
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