Thanks @NL Max - good post.
Memphis Depay | PSV confirm deal with Man Utd is agreed!
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to celebrate rare back-to-back victories for Manchester United! They analyse the late win in the Europa League vs. Rangers and then try and find things to analyse in a pretty dour game vs. Fulham. They also chat about the latest Marcus Rashford news, and look at the latest transfer news.
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I don't watch much of the Dutch league, but I've been looking out for this guy lately, given the links. Was playing the other night in the Europa League (think it was him that had the header disallowed) but PSV were terrible, so can't really judge him on that game.
If he's as good as everyone is saying, and his stats seem to suggest, then I'd love to see him here. Ideally, I'd like him and Lacazette to arrive next summer. I've seen a lot of Lacazette recently, and he really is top class. The two of them would be ideal, probably get both for about £50m combined as well.
If he's as good as everyone is saying, and his stats seem to suggest, then I'd love to see him here. Ideally, I'd like him and Lacazette to arrive next summer. I've seen a lot of Lacazette recently, and he really is top class. The two of them would be ideal, probably get both for about £50m combined as well.
Di Maria, Memphis, Smashley, Januzaj. Not bad wide options.
Add in Nani and then we actually have a team that can play 4-3-3.
+ Nani, on his day he's the best of the lot.
Apart from obvious speculation, not specifically. PSV have a great journalist following them though: Thijs Sleeggers. He knows alot about the club and he's 100% reliable. He came out with the story about Tottenham making the offer so I'm sure they made one.
Memphis wasn't ready for a step up yet after the world cup, he didn't play a full season before that. He didn't want to leave his club without winning anything, and they're 14 points ahead of Ajax right now in the league. Now he's had one full season while he's been incredible thus far so I'm sure Louis van Gaal is following him closely. Koeman also said he's interested but I don't think they can pay the price for him or if he wants to go there.
By the way: is there any way I can see my posts in the newbie section again? I made a post about him there where I made my assesment about him since his youth days. You lot might be interested.
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Can you remember roughly when you made it? I can find it and post it here
He seems the perfect signing for us. From everything like his age, cost and ability, to being exactly what we need and the LVG link.
He just seems like a proper United signing. Really really hope it happens.
He just seems like a proper United signing. Really really hope it happens.
It was in the general football forum. I replied to a thread about young talents from the Eredivisie, can't remember what it's called though. I replied on the first page though.
This combined with your post from the newbs are two great posts. Thanks so much for writing them. And thanks Damien for posting it for us to see.
I really hope we get this guy. I was impressed enough before this season, but this year he has been sensational. Your two posts only confirm that and then some!
Thank you! And also to Damien!
I'm a bit biased, he's not perfect yet. He can be frustrating to watch like every young winger when they go trough their rough patches, but he certainly is the biggest talent from Holland and it would be plain stupid from van Gaal to not get him. We miss quality wingers and Memphis in my eyes seems perfect for Manchester United. He's exactly what we need: a fast, strong and skilfull winger who scores goals. He's developing an eye to pop up in front of goal for a tap in, this season he's been doing this alot more.
He's still a bit raw but if you followed him closely like I did it's obvious he's ironing out all the weak parts of his game to become more and more complete. This is the reason I associate him with Christiano Ronaldo. He's not as good yet obviously but has all the good traits to become the next superstar. The rate at which he's developing this season is astounding and great to see for the fans like me. He also has the nasty habit of scoring even though he didn't play particulary well.
My post from the newbie section still counts: if anyone likes to know anything about him, feel free to ask me
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Thank you! And also to Damien!
I'm a bit biased, he's not perfect yet. He can be frustrating to watch like every young winger when they go trough their rough patches, but he certainly is the biggest talent from Holland and it would be plain stupid from van Gaal to not get him. We miss quality wingers and Memphis in my eyes seems perfect for Manchester United. He's exactly what we need: a fast, strong and skilfull winger who scores goals. He's developing an eye to pop up in front of goal for a tap in, this season he's been doing this alot more.
He's still a bit raw but if you followed him closely like I did it's obvious he's ironing out all the weak parts of his game to become more and more complete. This is the reason I associate him with Christiano Ronaldo. He's not as good yet obviously but has all the good traits to become the next superstar. The rate at which he's developing this season is astounding and great to see for the fans like me. He also has the nasty habit of scoring even though he didn't play particulary well.
My post from the newbie section still counts: if anyone likes to know anything about him, feel free to ask me
Great posts Max, you know way more about him then I do. Did you pick up on the rumours that LvG advised Memphis to stay for another year too and if so, what are your thoughts on that increasing our chances?
Yes, those rumours went around in Holland aswell. They haven't been confirmed or denied, but it could be true.
Like I posted above: Memphis wasn't ready yet after the worldcup. That was his 2nd season with PSV where he played alot of the matches, but he wasn't a regular starter untill late in the season. So I can understand why Louis would have advised that (if he did). He has now played a full season whilst being the star, and he delivered. Alot of players leave the Eredivisie for a step up without winning anything and if they fail they've got nothing. Memphis didn't want this.
As for increasing our chances: I think if we're interested we're getting him. Louis van Gaal brought him as a young kid to the Holland national team, in a period when he didn't even start all matches for PSV. He could have chosen from loads of young wingers we have in the Eredivisie, but he chose him. Memphis has also never had his father to rely on, van Gaal can be the father type he looks up to. In several interviews he praised van Gaal and called him an important man in his life.
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Obviously you have seen a lot of him, what is he like at taking on players and ability to run on the ball.
Watching the Liverpool City game now, and watching the way Sterling is running at players, using trickery and beating his man, and again, Aguero, picking up the ball, turning and running with it, is evident of something we are lacking.
Does he beat his man, or is he more of a Nani, that will do a few tricks and lose the ball
Obviously you have seen a lot of him, what is he like at taking on players and ability to run on the ball.
Watching the Liverpool City game now, and watching the way Sterling is running at players, using trickery and beating his man, and again, Aguero, picking up the ball, turning and running with it, is evident of something we are lacking.
Does he beat his man, or is he more of a Nani, that will do a few tricks and lose the ball
He can beat his man easily with a few tricks, he can even beat a couple if he's in form. He used to try this at every opportunity when he was younger which led to losing the ball alot and frustration with his teammates.
What I've seen lately about him though, is that he's clearly timing this better. When it's 0-0 or when PSV lead he rather passes the ball to someone who's in a better position than him. If PSV is behind or it's the 70th minute he's the go-to man to make something happen and he will try this more often (not always succeeding). He's lost his greediness that he had and will only try his actions when he's in a good position to do so. He's not an absolute beast yet that he does it with 100% accuracy though, no. So he can be quite frustrating to watch because he loses the ball.
He still needs to improve his decision making of when to turn inside and shoot, or when to run to the backline and cross or simply pass the ball, but he can do all this. He's more like Di Maria/Bale who can beat their man with speed and tricks, but he does have a few little tricks to leave his man behind in a close space aswell. He's not as good as Hazard yet when teams park the bus though, he rather tries 1-2s in this situation or go for the cross.
He might struggle in the PL at first because he's got less time but he's got all the good traits to eventually overcome this. In his last 5(?) matches I think he delivered about 4 goals on a platter after a few tricks for his teammates who blasted it wide when he could have tried to shoot himself aswell. So he's not greedy but he can certainly do it, although not as good in small spaces. This is still one of his points he can improve, but it already has improved massively in 1 year.
At the moment he's best suited for PSV their counter attacking style. He can beat his man with speed and tricks this way, a bit like Di Maria did at Real Madrid. I'm sure he can revert to his old ways of beating his man alot more though, we saw this at the world cup for example. When Holland ran out of idea's they gave him the ball to do something with it.
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Got money on him scoring a brace today because I have this hunch, but it's not going to be easy against Ajax. Great to see Max bringing in some real enthusiasm.
This is something I'm very pleased about too. Was watching Roma vs. Feyenoord on tv. while streaming Zenith vs PSV on my laptop two weeks ago, and I saw this moment:
At 1:25 exactly in the video, Depay has a rush on the counter and normally you'd expect him to shoot. But he didn't, he tried to give the assist in a situation where he definitely could and maybe even should have been greedy. You can see him thinking about shooting, but he also keeps on looking and in the end he made an even better decision by passing.
It didn't work out and I have to say he has to do better in a situation like that and deliver a proper pass, because that's what true top players do. But the fact that he is very much looking for the right option gives me high hopes, because improving that aspect of his game is vital if he wants to be a top level player.
This is something I'm very pleased about too. Was watching Roma vs. Feyenoord on tv. while streaming Zenith vs PSV on my laptop two weeks ago, and I saw this moment:
At 1:25 exactly in the video, Depay has a rush on the counter and normally you'd expect him to shoot. But he didn't, he tried to give the assist in a situation where he definitely could and maybe even should have been greedy. You can see him thinking about shooting, but he also keeps on looking and in the end he made an even better decision by passing.
It didn't work out and I have to say he has to do better in a situation like that and deliver a proper pass, because that's what true top players do. But the fact that he is very much looking for the right option gives me high hopes, because improving that aspect of his game is vital if he wants to be a top level player.
Those sort of moments are exactly what I mean. Memphis from a year ago would never have made that pass. After the match he said he didn't see the defender catching up with Narsingh (in his defence: Narsingh is the quickest from PSV) and that he would have tried to shoot himself if he did see it. The pass should've been better though, I agree.
He's matured alot and is a real team player now. He doesn't go for his own succes (if it's the harder option) unless PSV already lead or the team depends on him because they're struggling. I say he's much more effective since he's turned into this team player in stead of his egoistic older days. He can still have a moment of brilliance, beat 3 man and score and that's why he's unpredictable.
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Bit subdued vs Ajax IMO. That said, he didn't get a lot support from his team-mates and PSV suffered as a collective so it's unfair to critique an individual. Ghazi, Klaassen and Kishna on the other hand were rather impressive for the visitors. Today was a good opportunity to scout all 4 players plus Milik.
He is the one player who I desperately want us to sign this summer. Very very realistic target. We have the money. He isnt going to cost more than 25-30m. He is in the midst of having an amazing season. LVG, RVP and Blind being here is a big plus.
We could buy Depay, De Bruyne, Godin, and Dybala for what Bale would cost.
And all of those are realistic in my opinion. If we have CL football. Chuck in a RB and a CM and we're looking at a similar outlay to last summer but end up with a much more balanced team capable of some genuinely exciting football, on paper.
On behalf of Memphis Depay himself you might want to call him Memphis, in stead of Depay. He doesn't want to be called Depay anymore because it's his fathers name and he grew up with only his mother and grandfather (who passed away). Just a little tip for next season
I'd like a transfer window like that though, maybe switch De Bruyne for a box-to-box player as we already have enough number 10s as it is (I know he can play on the wing, but LvG isn't a fan of midfielders as wingers). Maybe buy a rightback who can cover for the leftback position aswell.
I Doubt that to be honest. Depay 20-25 but probably with addons, De Bruyne won't go for anything less than Depay, Godin would probably cost around 20 million and Palermo is believed to want around 40 million euros for Dybala, about the fee they got for Pastore. Won't say that it wouldn't be money better spent but you're probably underestimating their values.
De Bruyne was bought for just over 20 million? With his growth, stats, him having a long contract and Wolfsburg not needing the miney, wouldnt expect them to let him go for less than 40 million. He's their best player and the 2nd best in the Bundesliga this season imo.
He's seeming more and more like a no brainer.
It's the one transfer that's nailed on, in my opinion. Moreso than Hummels, Marquinhos, or, it would appear now, Strootman.
On behalf of Memphis Depay himself you might want to call him Memphis, in stead of Depay. He doesn't want to be called Depay anymore because it's his fathers name and he grew up with only his mother and grandfather (who passed away). Just a little tip for next season
I'd like a transfer window like that though, maybe switch De Bruyne for a box-to-box player as we already have enough number 10s as it is (I know he can play on the wing, but LvG isn't a fan of midfielders as wingers). Maybe buy a rightback who can cover for the leftback position aswell.
Plus with a name like Memphis he sounds like a rockstar.
We missed out on Strootman, let's not miss this guy. Though I admittedly only seen him in the World Cup where he actually made things happened for Holland other than Robben
I think this would be a great signing. Depay and Di Maria on the wings next season?
Testing if someone reads your post I suppose.
I think what he meant was that other than Robben he was the player that made things happen the most among the rest of the players.
No, that's impossible.
If so, he would've written: "Apart from Robben he was the player that made things happen the most."
Definitely.
Eh it's pretty clear that's what he meant in fairness.
Ok.
I think these players always get overvalued when we're linked with them. On face value they shouldn't be that expensive, especially since some of them are from Holland and Germany where players tend to be less expensive than Spain and England.
Like I posted before: PSV rejected 20m Euro last summer before Memphis signed a new contract untill 2018. He's become a full international and is the biggest talent in the whole Eredivisie. This season he's been on fire, scoring 15 times in 21 matches, whilst he scored 12 in 32 last season. PSV also confirmed he's leaving though, as they can't hold onto him.
20m Euro won't be enough, but somewhere in the region of 25-35m Euro including addons is something they probably won't say no to. Unless it becomes a bidding war ofcourse, which could happen. I don't think he'll go for 40m Euro, PSV sold Strootman for 17m Euro including addons which lead up to 20m Euro.
I don't think it will be over 30m EURO but I could be wrong. Suarez was £23m or so when he went to Liverpool and was scoring goals for fun in that league, I think around a similar price. Its like the Blind deal, everyone was saying he was going to cost £20m, we got him for £14m.
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