Real have Ronaldo, Bale and Benzema. Barca have Messi, Suarez and Neymar. Chelsea have Costa, Hazard and Willian. Arsenal have Sanchez, Ozil and Giroud. City have Silva, Aguero and Bony/Jovetic/Dzeko. That United front line isn't as good as any of those. Maybe there is potential there but 2 of them have proved nothing at an elite level.
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Real have Ronaldo, Bale and Benzema. Barca have Messi, Suarez and Neymar. Chelsea have Costa, Hazard and Willian. Arsenal have Sanchez, Ozil and Giroud. City have Silva, Aguero and Bony/Jovetic/Dzeko. That United front line isn't as good as any of those. Maybe there is potential there but 2 of them have proved nothing at an elite level.
Agree with this. He looks decent enough but don't think he's anything special.
To be fair to @TooBias, I'd be more excited in buying Depay than if we were to buy Bale. I don't know, I prefer it when we bring in raw talent and mould the player into our image. Creating world class players is more fun than buying them, imo. Depay looks a talent and looks to be more Suarez than Afonso Alves. Done well on the international stage too.
Plus, it helps that Depay is much better value for money and we won't have to endure being bent over and ripped off by Madrid (again).
Plus, it helps that Depay is much better value for money and we won't have to endure being bent over and ripped off by Madrid (again).
Fair enough. Buying players with potential has not worked well for us recently though. I would be ok if he was brought as a second winger, but doubt he has what it takes to be a starter for us.
He has more than just potential though. He's already good enough to start for a top four team imo.
Fair enough, I don't really disagree with that, although nearly all of those players you listed are in their prime so you'd expect them to be better than Januzaj and Depay right now.
"Chelsea have Hazard" What more special than Depay did he do before joining Chelsea?? He was good in the France League, I guess this league is not much better than the Dutch league.
You would, which is exactly why a club of United's level couldn't go into a season with that as first choice. If United have Champions League football next season then they need their first choice players to be in their prime.
He got 20 goals and 22 assists for Lille just in the League the year Before. Pretty insane numbers for a winger in a good League. Memphis isn't even close to that yet even though he's doing remarkably well.
He play same position as Hazard.. By the way, Hazard has only 5 assists this season in the League..
For the long term it would be a good signing, you get goals from a winger for a reasonable fee I imagine. Signing him for the next two years, I'm just not convinced about that. And I'm obsessed with Reus.
He was first choice in his national team for one. And the French league is much better than the Dutch league.
At the time he wasn't really, with the burgergate and all.
Ok. I would disagree but I have not seen enough from him to make a judgement.
He has become more of a strong poacher-ish player who rarely beats a man. He wants to be in the positions to apply the finish and gets inside alot, you can say he has modelled his game to Ronaldo's style.
The French League in the season where Hazard got those amazing stats (2011-12) wasn't as good as the Dutch League back then, according to UEFA. In fact, the Eredivisie this season at the halfway point has a coefficient exactly half of what Ligue 1 was back then.
Fair point. Although I would like us to buy a player who assists more than scores.He play same position as Hazard.. By the way, Hazard has only 5 assists this season in the League..
If that's the case then he's the kind of player we should not be chasing.
That is the case. He has become exactly that type of player as the season unfolds. He started with some nice goals, but he is now developing into a different type of footballer.
He is extremely greedy and self absorbed, not necessarily a bad thing in the right doses if you want to aim high.
Unless we're moving toward a 4-3-3.
You really should stop saying stupid things, the french league have a bad uefa rating because we absolutely do not care about Europa league, he played in a league where Lyon and Marseille where competitive in Europe and where Bordeaux was too.
This is true. But on the other hand, compared to Falcao for example, Depay is younger, probably cheaper overall, plays from the wing so doesn't intervene with Rooney or RVP who we've already paid for. And youexpect he'll offer goals for sure, just like Falcao.
My biggest concern is how long it would take for him to settle in. But he settled in very well at the World Cup. And the other concern is obviously Reus is better and more 'ready' I think. And Depay is not an really an assisting player, that's true too.
We have Di Maria and Mata for that.
No way good enough for us, and a type of player that will rub people up the wrong way...
It's not based on just the Europa League. It's based on all the French clubs in terms of the league, the cups and the European competition.
I'm not saying it's fullproof but it's a good indication of the strength of each league.
And it's not just France who don't care about Europa League. It'd be easier to state how many countries do give a feck.
The French League is much stronger now of course but you'd be crazy to say it was so much better than in 2011/12 than the Eredivise is now.
Did you have the same feeling about Daley Blind? As he was the Eredivisie player of the year, just like Depay will probably be this season.
League strength is generally a silly and pointless discussion. We know from history that fantastic players can come out of not so well regarded leagues. Suarez, L. Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Van Nistelrooy, Cristiano, and a litany of others. You look at the individual characteristics of the player not their league.
It's not it's based on the results in European competitions and the french clubs are manage by idiots who overlook the C3.
At the time Lyon and Marseille where regulars in 1/16 and Bordeaux was very good, at this period Lyon and Bordeaux played a 100% french quarter final.
The french league is and was stronger than the dutch league, and I won't even talk about Lille.
Well Di Maria I agree with, but it's not like Mata is a creative force (that's the part of his game I'm most critical of). Either way, it's way too litle. That's where our problems come from, too many players to finish, but just a few to create.
You're talking about the wrong season. Lyon got knocked by APOEL in the round of 16. Very strong league, ey? Montpelier won Ligue 1 that season too, no?Bordeaux, Marseille and Lyon all finished outside the Champions League places.
The French League is much stronger now but it wasn't the dog bollocks back then, especially that season. Let's not pretend it was so much better than the Eredivise is now, just so we can belittle Depay and big up Hazard.
But Blind was player of the year in Eredivisie (yet to be seen if Depay gets that reward), plus he did very well playing out of his position. It was safe to assume he’s better as a DM (position that we bought him for, at least that’s what I thought back then) then a wingback.
Depay played in his favourited position and didn’t impress me that much. I’m not saying he’s a bad player, just that I think we can do better.
Another issue is that in my opinion it’s much easier to rate an attacking player than midfielders.
I'm talking about the period you don't judge the level of a league with just one season. And no one said that it was a very strong league.
You gain the same number of point in C1 or C3, which mean that if you go to the quarter final of the C3 you will gain more points( granted that you won a game) than if you go to the 1/16 of the CL, despite the fact that you were eliminated of the CL.
And Montpellier was pretty good during two years, they showed that against Schalke and Arsenal but have been ridiculous against Olympiakos.
Edit: we should stop talking about that it's not the place.
Wonder have you seen United play the last 18 month ?? I seriously doubt United is better then Ajax/PSV or Feyenoord .
Thing with Depay is, he has a pretty unique total. High technique/dribbeling, finesse, pace and strength. At first glance he seems perfect for the EPL. And being Dutch, already worked with Van Gaal it seems United is a perfect match up.
If we played any of those 3 10x, even as bad we are, we'd win 7 out of 10.....
If we sign him it will be in the summer and it will mean LVG will move on to his 4-3-3 formation. Deepay and Reus would be two fantastic signings and with another right back we would be well equipped to move on from this 3-5-2 shite.
I doubt that we'd be able to get both Reus and Depay. Memphis seems really ambitious and therefore probably won't be interested in playing second fiddle to someone like Reus who's got most of his career still ahead of him.
He's only 20, has 13 caps, over 100 appearances for PSV, is very promising and is a winger. There are not many winger options out there. We've already bought pretty much the best cat available (don't even have to use him on the wing) and after him there aren't many options.
Have a look at the top 10 for wingers (no specific order).
Bale
Robben
Ribery
Reus
Di Maria
Hazard
Sanchez
Those 7 are definitely in the top 10. Sanchez isn't really a winger in that sense but as a winger he's up there. Sterling could probably be there. Looking at Chelsea they've got Schürrle and Willian who don't really count either. Koke could count, perhaps Griezmann or Turan as well. It's actually hard to make a definitive top 10 for the winger roles without picking players who are great there but better in a different position. So have a look at Depay, factor in his abilities, his age and his potential and compare it to what's available in the winger department. Hell, narrow it down for the left wing and there are even fewer players available. I don't think you have to watch him many times to think that he stands out.
Of course we are, by quite some margin.
I think I'm the only one that doesn't see high technique in Depay's game when I see him. He's positive and quite creative when he isn't overcome by youthful urges to 'have a pop', but in things like trapping the ball, passing with awareness, and even moving the ball it doesn't look like he's anywhere near Januzaj.
I would love to see us sign Depay. Very promising talent.
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