This. I honestly see no sense on selling him as for what reason. We don't need the money and whilst I'm not suggesting he's a starter, I seen enough to say with a bit more games behind him, could have been the difference on the night. The pool of attacking young players is becoming increasingly shallow, we need to be sure with these type of players as mistakes can be costly....
Memphis Depay | Lyon player
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This. I honestly see no sense on selling him as for what reason. We don't need the money and whilst I'm not suggesting he's a starter, I seen enough to say with a bit more games behind him, could have been the difference on the night. The pool of attacking young players is becoming increasingly shallow, we need to be sure with these type of players as mistakes can be costly....
I don't see the potential you all are talking about.
I seriously disagree about Memphis lack of drive and ambition.
This is a kid that got a personal trainer and life coach while he was still a Teenager to help him make the best of his abilities. He has always had the drive to be the best he can be.
The tattoos,the cars aren't a reflection of his character at all and are very lazy generalisation of him as a human being.The kid has largely stayed out of trouble since he has been here too.
Daley Blind returned to Ajax to say goodbye too. It happens regularly with Dutch clubs when saying goodbye to great servants . Does that make you question Blind too?
People should stop with this unsubstantiated psycho-analysis based on no facts whatsoever .
For me it simply comes down to this:Memphis looks like a talented player,just not at the level United require .Sometimes it's that simple.
Indeed. And lets not forget that LVG gave him a run of games last season. I think in the first half of last season, he was an auto starter on the LW.
Once LVG realised that his job was on the line and he could not field passengers, he benched him permanently. Did Memphis even make the bench for the FA Cup Final? Not sure.
I think if LVG had stayed, he'd probably have got rid of Depay (loan or sale).
Some fans don't understand this. They think that we can win games/trophies by having players on the pitch who are well below standard. Those days are gone.
When you have Pep, Jose, Klopp, Conte, Wenger, Pochettino - all managing in the same league trying to win it, fielding passengers is not going to happen. Even Rooney is now being side-lined, because there is too much pressure on Jose to win.
IMO Januzaj is on the same level as Depay and Januzaj is currently doing a pretty bad job at Sunderland.
The fact is that Memphis is not good enough to handle EPL defences (he has proved this beyond doubt last season) and at his age, I don't think that will be changing anytime soon.
He needs to find a league which suits his playing style and become a superstar in that league.
Agree with all of this.
Unfortunately times have changed. A poor run of games from the likes of Martial and Rashford (who undoubtedly have much higher potential than Memphis) will inevitably result in them being dropped. In the past, it was possible to let them play through the tough patch.
I won't lie, it has taken me the past two seasons to come to this realisation. Previously I was all for giving the likes of Darmian, Rojo, Memphis et al. a few seasons to prove themselves. Unfortunately we just can't afford this in today's game. I would much rather have higher player turnover than several seasons of mediocracy.
Should leave for his own good.
When a player like Lingard gets chosen ahead of him, you know you are at the wrong club.
Well at least he gave the best performance of any player since SAF left, his performance in the Europa League game where he left the right back in tears.
When a player like Lingard gets chosen ahead of him, you know you are at the wrong club.
Well at least he gave the best performance of any player since SAF left, his performance in the Europa League game where he left the right back in tears.
Some players are just not cut out for this level. Hasn't shown even a modicum of evidence that he will be a quality player for us.
For real? The best individual performance of any player in the last 3 and a bit seasons is Depay against Midgetland? I know things have been bad but surely not...
How about Juan Mata at Anfield two years ago for starters? Rashford against Arsenal last season, Van Persie against Olympiakos away, De Gea in any number of games... Martial in his first month or so for us, Januzaj against Sunderland... Pogba against Southampton or Leicester even was more memorable than Memphis against Denmark's third finest.
Martial and Rashford are both better options so even if he improves I can't see it being enough of an improvement to dislodge those two.
I'd sell him if we got a good offer, really.
I'd sell him if we got a good offer, really.
had high hope for him after some promising early performances. People on here ran out of patience with him very quickly though. I felt he deserved more chances
Clearly very skillfull and has a lot of talent
But yeah I don't think it'll work out at Utd now at this stage. And Jose won't give him enough chances....coming on for 5-10 mins here and there does nobody any good
He will do well in Germany but I bet if premier league club like Everton snapped him up he would still have a great chance in making it in the PL
Clearly very skillfull and has a lot of talent
But yeah I don't think it'll work out at Utd now at this stage. And Jose won't give him enough chances....coming on for 5-10 mins here and there does nobody any good
He will do well in Germany but I bet if premier league club like Everton snapped him up he would still have a great chance in making it in the PL
We'll surely play Rash as a striker though.
Likely not to for the next 2 seasons though. Meanwhie, Depay is getting frustrated already.
He was found out from the moment he arrived. At PSV all he ever did was cut inside and shoot - and he was great at it. Here, all the defender needs to do is show him down the line or be slightly physical with him.
For a winger, he's not particularly quick, skilful or good at crossing. He's miles behind Rashford and Martial.
For a winger, he's not particularly quick, skilful or good at crossing. He's miles behind Rashford and Martial.
Been an absolute bag of shit for us.
Lingard gets tons of criticism but has given us way, way more.
Add Rashford, Martial, Mata, Mkhitaryan and even Pereira & Januzaj into the mix and I can't see how he's going to make it here.
He should leave for his own good.
Lingard gets tons of criticism but has given us way, way more.
Add Rashford, Martial, Mata, Mkhitaryan and even Pereira & Januzaj into the mix and I can't see how he's going to make it here.
He should leave for his own good.
Has been acceptable this season I think. At least compared with last year.
I seriously doubt he'll pick it up to world class level, but I do think we should give him the season to prove us wrong. Not a minute longer though.
Unless there's some magical player available in January as a replacement.
I seriously doubt he'll pick it up to world class level, but I do think we should give him the season to prove us wrong. Not a minute longer though.
Unless there's some magical player available in January as a replacement.
I was gonna write a reply to this. But then I read a better reply than I could come up with:
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Wolfsburg and the Bundesliga would be a good option for him. Bit more space, a lot less pressure, consistent football, etc.. He's shown next to nothing at United and really just always looked a bit useless. Plus lets us bring someone who has hope in
Loan him - sure. Sell - no way.
There's plenty of older players of limited quality we could get rid of before we let potential leave on the cheap.
There's plenty of older players of limited quality we could get rid of before we let potential leave on the cheap.
He has no potential. When will you people get that?
We always knew Nani has crazy potential though because he had moments of brilliance.
This guy has shown feck all.
He's just not good enough. He doesn't seem to have the right mentality to make it at a club like United. Even if you are talented, that is simply not enough. If you look at the players that brought us success in the past, they had talent and they combined it with a winners mentality and a will to improve themselves to get better and to get success. From Depay I get the feeling he thinks he's "arrived" by signing for United and I don't see him having the attitude to prove the doubters (like me) wrong. That usually isn't a good sign. Januzaj is another one like this in my observation.
I don't see Depay ever making the grade at a topclub and hope we get rid of him as soon as possible.
I don't see Depay ever making the grade at a topclub and hope we get rid of him as soon as possible.
Agree
The strange thing about Depay is that Van Gaal worked with him with the national team before signing him. At United he's shown absolutely nothing to say he's good enough but he must have some sort of talent if LVG decided to spend £30m on him
PSG and Liverpool wanted him too I think. I'm not sure how it all went wrong...is it just that he lacks the ability or is it a confidence thing
Our 2015 transfer window was a disaster looking back...
Depay £30m
Schneiderlin £25m
Darmian £13m
Schwein £6m
£70m down the drain
PSG and Liverpool wanted him too I think. I'm not sure how it all went wrong...is it just that he lacks the ability or is it a confidence thing
Our 2015 transfer window was a disaster looking back...
Depay £30m
Schneiderlin £25m
Darmian £13m
Schwein £6m
£70m down the drain
Nani was way better than Memphis ever was.
Agreed.
Van Gaal was a fool to sell Hernandez and Nani. Evans was a poor sell as well considering how bad Rojo has been
I'd have loaned him out in the summer. Give him one season at a smaller club in a good league to prove that it's a case of confidence rather than quality, that is lacking.
Based on his time with us, he just appears to not have the necessary talent, but given what we've spent I'd still have given him the 15/16 elsewhere on loan to prove himself.
Based on his time with us, he just appears to not have the necessary talent, but given what we've spent I'd still have given him the 15/16 elsewhere on loan to prove himself.
Yes. Hence why we persisted with him through years of injuries and patches of shit, yet Memphis looks to be getting the elbow after a year.
I didn't say he wasn't. I loved on form Nani, 2011 he was arguably our best player.
So I'm no longer entitled to my opinion unless it's the same as yours? Thanks Freud.
I don't question Blind, he's been exemplary for the most part.... in my opinion obviously, if you'll allow me to indulge in such fast and loose free thought.
I think we both agree somewhere along the way, bottom line is Memphis isn't good enough for Utd. You think he has physical limitations whereas I think there are mental barriers, hindering his obvious skill. Whoops... there I go again.
If he isn't going to be given a chance this season, he should leave and go somewhere where he will at least get playtime. It's the most important part for the development of a young player. Maybe he'll return much better like De Bruyne did
I still believe in him. If he finds the right club where he gets games and regains his confidence I believe he can kick in evolve into a great player.
A buy-back clause is a must for me if we opt to sell him.
A buy-back clause is a must for me if we opt to sell him.
At the time, I thought we'd done great business.
Except with Depay - my Dutch neighbour warned me, and I said it in the Newbies Section the day he signed, that he wasn't as good on the pitch as everyone made out, and a bit of a knob off the pitch.
Think I'll ask the same neighbour for Friday's EuroLottery numbers.....
Yeah, would be though filling in Memphis' boots.
I had high hopes for him, but i won't be sad to see him leave at this point really. He got to caught up in the money and celebrity lifestyle and did not focus on what he actually was brought here for.
Also, he put on way to much weight, EPL is known for being physical so a lot of players put on to much muscle, which certainly is the case with Depay. If you watch him at PSV he was much leaner and it seemed to make him quicker and sharper. Just look at Mahrez, hes the football equivalent of featherweight and he manages just fine
Also, he put on way to much weight, EPL is known for being physical so a lot of players put on to much muscle, which certainly is the case with Depay. If you watch him at PSV he was much leaner and it seemed to make him quicker and sharper. Just look at Mahrez, hes the football equivalent of featherweight and he manages just fine
He's not particularly fast, technically gifted or a good crosser. His finishing and dribbling is also meah. Its one thing impressing at Championship level and its another doing it at top flight
I think he has it in him to be a decent footballer, probably good enough to be a viable rotation option for us, and much better than the shit he's shown since he arrived.
It just didn't work out him, though, and I see no signs of him being able to turn it around. Probably better off as a big-ish fish in a smaller pond.
It just didn't work out him, though, and I see no signs of him being able to turn it around. Probably better off as a big-ish fish in a smaller pond.
Unfortunately we have already enough average wingers in the team
I'm not sure most of the would qualify as average, judged by what should be the required standards at a club with aspirations like ours. But yes, I agree.
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