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2015-16 Performances

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5.4 Season Average Rating
Appearances
45
Goals
7
Assists
5
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Kopral Jono said:
To reiterate what I said earlier in this thread: I'll honestly be surprised if he makes it here at United. Off-field antics aside, I don't think he's a world class player in the making. He just isn't talented enough.
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I think he will make it but people have to revise their opinion about what they think he will achieve. I am not saying this in hindsight. I said it before we signed him and why I wasn't enthusiastic about him coming. I never saw him as this world class talent/ game changer that everyone was talking about because I though he was ordinary on the ball, apart from his shooting.
I think a lot of the disappointment is coming from people who thought we were signing a flying winger who could put players on their backside and other stuff. Essentially a Hazard or Sanchez MkII.
I still think he will have a good career with us once he adapts but I don't expect him to be one of the worlds best players. Not even close.
 
Sam said:
He's better off the ball, then he actually is when he's on it.
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I don't know if this was meant negatively, but yeah, his movement at times is very good. He's just mucking things up when he receives the ball.
 
Depay was hyped to hell and back before he arrived, and now he's been written off just as quickly... Fans in 2015, I guess.

The kid is 21 years old having just moved to one of the biggest clubs in world football. Things haven't been going great so far, but he'll find his legs & some form eventually - Just like Firmino will with us. A lot of foreign signings don't hit the ground running, but that doesn't mean they're not good enough to make it at United, Liverpool, Aston Villa, or wherever the feck.

At one point during the season, Depay will be going through a good patch while Martial struggles. I wonder what the Martial thread will look like when that happens.
 
Tommy said:
Depay was hyped to hell and back before he arrived, and now he's been written off just as quickly... Fans in 2015, I guess.

The kid is 21 years old having just moved to one of the biggest clubs in world football. Things haven't been going great so far, but he'll find his legs & some form eventually - Just like Firmino will with us. A lot of foreign signings don't hit the ground running, but that doesn't mean they're not good enough to make it at United, Liverpool, Aston Villa, or wherever the feck.

At one point during the season, Depay will be going through a good patch while Martial struggles. I wonder what the Martial thread will look like when that happens.
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This.

And from a Liverpool fan. The Klopp effect seems to be working already.
 
Maradona10 said:
He does not have skill to beat a man, you have that from when you are young, The trick young uses he would have used since he was 12, same with martial, valencia, ronaldo, robben,ribery, verratti etc. Memphis just doesnt seem to have the ability to skin his fullback
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Just look from 32 seconds in to the minute mark and tell me he doesn't have this ability. Its true he hasn't shown much of this at United but he has it in him
 
Not sure how you can write off a 21 year old when he has showed the flashes of quality he has. 3 of his goals have been unreal, so have some of his assists. Embarrassing this place at times.
 
I think he's suffering from some expecting him to be a Hazard/Reus level talent, as well as the steep step up from a weak league like the Ererdivise. He needs to do is up his workrate in helping his fullback, he'll find most will have more patience with other aspects of his game then.
 
I don't think there's anything wrong with fans criticising his input so far whether he is 21 years old or not. Almost every game in the league he has been ineffectual as far as I have seen.

As for totally writing him off, that's stupid. It's quite likely he'll play a part for years to come and he's only 21 and in a new league.
 
Tommy said:
Depay was hyped to hell and back before he arrived, and now he's been written off just as quickly... Fans in 2015, I guess.

The kid is 21 years old having just moved to one of the biggest clubs in world football. Things haven't been going great so far, but he'll find his legs & some form eventually - Just like Firmino will with us. A lot of foreign signings don't hit the ground running, but that doesn't mean they're not good enough to make it at United, Liverpool, Aston Villa, or wherever the feck.

At one point during the season, Depay will be going through a good patch while Martial struggles. I wonder what the Martial thread will look like when that happens.
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Amazing how it takes a Liverpool fan to provide some much needed perspective. Depay has struggled, but how anyone can write him off as not good enough after only 3 months, I'll never understand.
 
He's quite bulky and I think it'll just take him time. The reason people are hard on him is because he's first choice. We don't have great wing options so rightly or wrongly, Depay plays most weeks. He'll be a better player for it, and it's not his fault. He plays in a key position. We don't have great width from full back so the emphasis falls on Depay and young to get us playing - because if our width struggles, we struggle. He has to produce the goods, because who we going to replace him with? Only Young, Depay, Martial and on his day Wilson can give us penetration behind the full back
 
Offside said:
Not sure how you can write off a 21 year old when he has showed the flashes of quality he has. 3 of his goals have been unreal, so have some of his assists. Embarrassing this place at times.
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My opinion on Memphis is no less embarrassing than those who hyped him up to no ends.
 
Are the Netherlands definitely out of the Euros now? I think a proper rest during the summer will do Memphis good, he's already played a lot of football and looked a bit tired at times and there is still plenty to go.
 
Kopral Jono said:
My opinion on Memphis is no less embarrassing than those who hyped him up to no ends.
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In that case, I'll back him to embarrass you again, it may not happen this season but I'm damn sure it will in the coming seasons. I guess IYO Januzaj a bag of shite too.
 
Can you believe it's only october lol ? Fecking October and he came in August :lol:

Player analysis is so sensational now it is embarrassing, even non united fans have too much to say about depay at this point, the no.7 shirt really does attract attention.
 
It's amazing, in my opinion, that people on here resort to crying "how can you write him off?" when there are (perhaps valid) questions as to why a certain player is automatic first choice.

However, having said that, I'm pretty sure that, had we not entered our now, traditional, seasonal, pre-xmas defensive crisis mode, maybe Young would have got a couple of starts in that position in place of MD by now. However, as Young is more versatile it has made sense to utilise our assets the way they have been to date.

The bust-up with RvP might be the first signs of cracks appearing … watch this space!
 
The Purist said:
I don't think there's anything wrong with fans criticising his input so far whether he is 21 years old or not. Almost every game in the league he has been ineffectual as far as I have seen.

As for totally writing him off, that's stupid. It's quite likely he'll play a part for years to come and he's only 21 and in a new league.
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You haven't seen much then.
 
SqueakyWeasel said:
It's amazing, in my opinion, that people on here resort to crying "how can you write him off?" when there are (perhaps valid) questions as to why a certain player is automatic first choice.
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This sentence makes no sense. Non at all.
 
sure he's been inconsistent but I'm still firm in my belief he'll eventually be some player for us.
Might take a season or two but he'll get there
 
Maradona10 said:
Should i compare him to rooney? Messi? arjen robben (40 appearances for chelsea at 21),ribery (37), douglas costa (40),nani (41),pedro (at 22, 52 appearances, he broke through at 21) , bojan (48 at 17yrs), mata (51 @Valencia)

I think people are trying to mask his bad games, he has been terrible apart from a game against brugge. I think i have put in many players level that he might want to reach, This is not 2001 when players hit form and consistency at 25-28 this is 2015 players are almost made/broken by the time they are 25. I think this tiredness is just an excuse for not working hard enough.
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How about you give me their numbers after their first 2 months playing for their clubs? Makes sense right since we're comparing them to depay, who has been at his new club for just over 2 months though.
 
I don't see how one saying that they think he wont ever become one of the best players in the world (or whatever) counts as writing him off?
Are we not allowed to think this about a youngster?
 
Memphis was a very skilled dribbler in his teenage days, he was dribbling defenders crazy. He seems to have lost that close control of the ball if he doesn't get the time.
 
What is the meaning of writing a player off? Because I'm seeing very little of it here.
 
Adisa said:
What is the meaning of writing a player off? Because I'm seeing very little of it here.
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That's an example.

Kopral Jono said:
To reiterate what I said earlier in this thread: I'll honestly be surprised if he makes it here at United. Off-field antics aside, I don't think he's a world class player in the making. He just isn't talented enough.
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C'est Moi Cantona said:
Try telling LVG to play a non left footed CB, it'll be Rojo if not Blind, rather we kept Blind there personally.
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We are going against Lukaku who is in red-hot form, Id feel much safer with Jones and Smalling that can match him physically at least. We will need their defending much more than we will need playing from the back.Everton will have a real go at us.
 
wiz4231 said:
In that case, I'll back him to embarrass you again, it may not happen this season but I'm damn sure it will in the coming seasons. I guess IYO Januzaj a bag of shite too.
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Sure. As a matter of fact, I'll be more than happy to eat my words, hold my hands up and say 'I was wrong about Memphis' if he turns out to be the top talent many here convinced he will become. But unfortunately for you and me, I just can't see it happening.

My opinion on Januzaj in relation to Memphis is summed up in this post: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/memphis-depay-2015-16-performances.406638/page-64#post-18238613 - that is correct, I do think Januzaj has a higher ceiling than Memphis.

ivaldo said:
That doesn't make you any less embarrassing though does it.
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I can live with that. If having an unpopular opinion makes me embarrassing in any way, shape or form then so be it. All opinions are embarrassing anyway if you don't agree with them.
 
The Purist said:
Actually I've seen a lot. If you think Memphis has been great then excellent - I hope all United fans' standards have slipped as much as yours have.
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I think he's been neither but it is way to early to make a call after two months, He looks like someone who is having difficutly with being doubled up on and dealing with less space and time, things we all knew would happen. He hasn't been amazing but again to suggest he's been highly ineffectual in every game he's played it's just the opposite extreme.

There is a middle ground, I like to put myself there. Maybe some people should try it.
 
3rdCarter said:
This sentence makes no sense. Non at all.
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REALLY … it makes no sense … "NON at all"?
To explain my sentence, that seems to have you confused, I was simply saying that some people on here seem to think it's an "all or nothing" situation. In their enthusiasm and love for the player himself they misread debate about him perhaps being rested as demands for him to be moved on like some sort of experiment that has not worked after 9 games :wenger: Go back and read it again, I think what i wrote makes sense and if it doesn't to you … then I really think you could have let it go!

The long version of what I was trying to say in just a few words:

Posters on here get a bit hysterical sometimes and seem to equate an honest questioning of someone's consistent inclusion with a call for that players head on a stick and resort to writing overly-dramatic replies saying "how dare you write him off altogether, he's only 21" when no-one is saying that (or very few are anyway)!

There are tactical football experts here who write that they see him playing at a higher level than most others can understand or contemplate. There are naturally others who contribute here that see him falling short of his reputed standards (for one reason or another) but I doubt anyone in the latter camp is saying "get rid".

It's exactly what this place is here for … it's a debate.

I think that he'll come good eventually once he realises he's gone from being "the most important part of a smaller machine" to just a part of a much bigger machine. I personally think he would maybe benefit from some time on the bench to reflect on where he's really at now, it might be a knock to his ego but it'll do him good in the long run.

The pressure on him must be immense and perhaps he needs to step back a bit and take in the big step up he's had to make to get to where he is right now. I'm sure that it'll work eventually and while I'm not trying to second-guess the plans of the manager and his training team I wouldn't object to seeing him rested and brought on from the bench for a few of the less important games coming up!
 
Kopral Jono said:
To reiterate what I said earlier in this thread: I'll honestly be surprised if he makes it here at United. Off-field antics aside, I don't think he's a world class player in the making. He just isn't talented enough.
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He doesn't have to be world class to make it at United.
 
I'd start Young for this next few games and see how it goes. Memphis may be the more talented player but I think Young offers the team more overall for the following reasons:
- This would allow us to play Blind as lb, and him and Young formed a fantastic partnership last season. The reason that worked is because they complement each other so well. Blind is a defender but with brilliant attacking side to his game, while Young puts in a shift defensively thus allowing Blind the opportunity to push forward regularly. I feel that Memphis doesnt really offer that, just like ADM didnt. With the tough run of games we are facing, we need every little bit of incremental improvement that we can get.

- For motivational purposes too. If we start selecting the best performers that will push the players to improve themselves imo. One of the reasons that Young did so well last season especially in the run in was because he knew that he had to play very well each week to keep the club record signing and one of the best players in the world(Well, when signed anyway) out of the team. If he feels he can get a fair shot, I really think that would drive both of them to improve. I am not a fan of guaranteed starting positions, especially when the player in question is struggling with a capable deputy on the sidelines.

- Will allow us to be more defensively compact. Everton away is a game that if you can nick a goal, and stay compact, you may just sneek out with a win. Its something that we used to do so well in the past.
 
I think that Memphis owns Martial big time for taking the media light away from him. If it wasn't for Martial and his price tag frenzy, Memphis would have it from the media a lot worse than he has. Some of it would be probably justified because he has not been that good.

He will be better.
 
K2K said:
I'd start Young for this next few games and see how it goes. Memphis may be the more talented player but I think Young offers the team more overall for the following reasons:
- This would allow us to play Blind as lb, and him and Young formed a fantastic partnership last season. The reason that worked is because they complement each other so well. Blind is a defender but with brilliant attacking side to his game, while Young puts in a shift defensively thus allowing Blind the opportunity to push forward regularly. I feel that Memphis doesnt really offer that, just like ADM didnt. With the tough run of games we are facing, we need every little bit of incremental improvement that we can get.

- For motivational purposes too. If we start selecting the best performers that will push the players to improve themselves imo. One of the reasons that Young did so well last season especially in the run in was because he knew that he had to play very well each week to keep the club record signing and one of the best players in the world(Well, when signed anyway) out of the team. If he feels he can get a fair shot, I really think that would drive both of them to improve. I am not a fan of guaranteed starting positions, especially when the player in question is struggling with a capable deputy on the sidelines.

- Will allow us to be more defensively compact. Everton away is a game that if you can nick a goal, and stay compact, you may just sneek out with a win. Its something that we used to do so well in the past.
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Completely agree. Jones next to Smalling, Blind at LB and Young on the wing.
 
Will be interesting to see if he starts against Everton. It would be a testament to how much more we need to do in the market if we have to keep playing two players out of form cause there's no one else.
 
pocco said:
Young might play at left back. If Shaw hadn't got injured then I think Memphis would have been benched already with Young on the left wing. Instead Young has been earmarked as a potential stop gap at left back.
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Yeah, definitely this.

It's massively unfortunate that our one major injury this season is one of few positions we have no depth in. We just don't have another left back, so Shaw's injury has had a major effect on the squad, having to pull players from the wings and centre back to fill in. If it was Darmian who got injured, we'd play Valencia there instead, and we'd carry on. Shaw's injury has been huge, and that's without even taking into consideration that he was our best and most consistent player up until that point.
 
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