If that was Giggs' doing - then it shows a terrible lack of judgment. I agree he shouldn't be tired and that he needs to be taken firmly in hand. But going to the press won't help him. He doesn't have Martial's calm equilibrium, plus he's from an abusive background - you have to be careful with him and handle things behind closed doors imo.
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The fact that Darmian has made an impressive start (at least up until the last couple of weeks) to his United career, while Memphis hasn't, plays a massive part in that.
Should i compare him to rooney? Messi? arjen robben (40 appearances for chelsea at 21),ribery (37), douglas costa (40),nani (41),pedro (at 22, 52 appearances, he broke through at 21) , bojan (48 at 17yrs), mata (51 @Valencia)
I think people are trying to mask his bad games, he has been terrible apart from a game against brugge. I think i have put in many players level that he might want to reach, This is not 2001 when players hit form and consistency at 25-28 this is 2015 players are almost made/broken by the time they are 25. I think this tiredness is just an excuse for not working hard enough.
Darmian has faced two of the fastest and skillful players in the league in Mane and sanchez so you can excuse him for not settling in and he has shown in other games that he is doing most things right. Depay apart from one game has looked one level below everyone on that pitch. People are calling for young to be picked ahead of him and young is probably one of the most disliked player for united fans.
I'm sure he's working hard enough. And he hasn't been terrible. A few shit games, a few average games and a few good games. Decent overall (unless you expected messi or ronaldo..). And besides, he'll definitely play over 40 games for us this season. Doesn't mean that after playing 3 times a week for the first time in his career that he won't be tired and in need of a break now and then. Like all young players going to new leagues, he's going to be inconsistent. Martial is a huge exception, as he looks world class from the start. Other players take time and that's all we can do. Give him time and not be pissed at him when he tries to create something from nothing as the rest of the team isn't doing much going forward.
Absolutely. That the person who did this didn't even think of the consequences makes me despair slightly about the state of so called players/staff close to the dressing room. I thought 'leaks' had gone with the Moyes era but apparently not. Why on earth the club doesn't give these people a good talking to is beyond my comprehension.
Worries me too because Memphis has a tricky personality from what I've read, and I wonder if any one on staff is equipped to deal with him or able to even recognise when he needs some mental support. Seems he had someone helping him with that side of things in Holland, and it seems to have been quite successful. I therefore wonder if anyone has thought about encouraging him to fly that guy in, just to calm him down a bit. That would be one way of trying to get him going on the right path - but going to the press just adds more pressure. Honestly, I despair
Louis van Gaal himself, the 2 have a good relationship. Memphis had some personal issues in his early years at PSV, but really started to make big steps on the pitch and off it once he got a call for the NT. After that he cut all connections with people who could be a bad influence on him (he was a streetkid when he was younger) and van Gaal is great with young players and can help Memphis. He cares about his players emotional state, he's always open for conversations about things which are on the players' their mind- wether it's about football or not. I think Memphis will have sufficient support at the club and if not I rate him high enough to get that himself, he's conscious about his own flaws. He has had several coaches at PSV like Erik ten Hag (now works for Bayern's youth) and Joost Leenders to guide him off the pitch, they both praised him highly when he left PSV as Memphis at that time looked completely changed and was no longer a problem. I believe he still has contact with Joost Leenders as they got along very well, not sure how much though.
About the article posted a page back, he probably just got a warning for being spotted in public after a loss. That's not the best timing to go out especially if he played badly and was subbed at HT. Or, as van Gaal himself would say: 'I cannot go to Wings now'.
Young players will always need to controlled and guided because with the money they earn, the temptation to go crazy and show themselves off is high. I really hate it when something like this goes public though.
Apparently had a bust up with Van Persie. On SSN now.
Apparently his shirt is the third most selled in the world this season, judging by this shit source I am even lazy to paste. Is this possible?
Memphis or RVP?
No.
Memphis or RVP?
Memphis. Might've found the article, it states that according to "football shirt experts" Kitbag he's sold the 3rd highest amount of replica shirts, only Messi and Ronaldo have sold more. Supposedly, Schweinsteiger's at nr 4 and Rooney's in 6th.
Mmmm... not sure about their 'analysis'...... seems weird he'd be behind Ronnie and Messi....
Doesn't seem very likely. Although he has got a cool name. Maybe Elvis fans are a big, untapped Market?
Are you sure it didn't mean third most sold United shirt in the world? That would make a lot more sense. Perhaps behind Rooney and Schweinsteiger/Mata.
According tot the article I saw it was across all clubs, Messi 1, Ronaldo 2, Memphis 3, Schweinstegier 4, Hazard 5 , Rooney 6.
United are the biggest club in the world in terms of number of fans. Our revenue is off the charts and this plays a part in it.
Why wouldn't one of our players be up there?
In terms of appeal and name, he was our 'sexiest' signing last summer before the Martial explosion, he came with the hype and a YouTube compilation of fantastic goals and being the 'next Ronaldo'
Sometimes people forget how big we are. We've matched madrids shirt sales year on year despite Madrid signing Ronaldo and Bale v Fellani and Young.
Why wouldn't one of our players be up there?
In terms of appeal and name, he was our 'sexiest' signing last summer before the Martial explosion, he came with the hype and a YouTube compilation of fantastic goals and being the 'next Ronaldo'
Sometimes people forget how big we are. We've matched madrids shirt sales year on year despite Madrid signing Ronaldo and Bale v Fellani and Young.
I'd imagine being No7 helps a heap too.
I could believe it.
We sell shit tonnes of shirts and he was basically the only attacking player we signed till Martial.
We sell shit tonnes of shirts and he was basically the only attacking player we signed till Martial.
It's only on Kitbag and he's 3rd after Messi and Ronaldo, Bastian 4th, Rooney 6th: http://blog.kitbag.com/top-selling-player-shirts-201415/
He was hyped up like we were signing a young Ronaldo.
People got caught up in the hype I suppose. It's surprising, but not at the same time.
People got caught up in the hype I suppose. It's surprising, but not at the same time.
Only reason players shouldn't be out enjoying themselves is if it will affect their recovery. Otherwise it's their business.
Plenty of time for him to become a world beater. He's barely had time to adjust to the league. People have short memories with Ronaldo, his first two seasons were incredibly inconsistent. A forum I was on back in 05/06ish had a thread about 100 pages long debating if they'd accept a £20m bid for him. If you just consider that for a minute you'll realise why patience should be shown.
Agreed. He needs time and games.
Ronaldo is a once in a a generation ( okay, two in a generation) player..very few players will ever reach that level or even get close..We may not see another player like him at United for another 50 years..he was that good..However the equivalent and most prevalent situation is that we have seen many players with similar skill levels to Memphis fail to reach such world-beating level. People's concern is genuine, there is simply no guarantee that he will reach that, patience or not.
What people are worried about now is his current performance levels. Him and Rooney are mere passengers in a front 4 that isn't the greatest, and we cant really afford that many passengers. Its his performance thread, surely his poor performances can be discussed. Writing him off and claiming he will become a world beater are both equally as ridiculous, we simply don't know. That is why we are discussing his current performances instead, because that is something that we do know.
What people are worried about now is his current performance levels. Him and Rooney are mere passengers in a front 4 that isn't the greatest, and we cant really afford that many passengers. Its his performance thread, surely his poor performances can be discussed. Writing him off and claiming he will become a world beater are both equally as ridiculous, we simply don't know. That is why we are discussing his current performances instead, because that is something that we do know.
He has the talent you can see that in flashes. But of course he's still young, there's always going to be inconsistencies in his game play. He needs competition for his place in the side. It's too easy at the moment. I was wondering who the caf think has the highest potential... Martial, memphis or januzaj?
Tough to judge Martial after he played a few games, but he's been quality in each one. Right now for me it's Martial > Januzaj > Memphis.
I don't think people know the difference between discussing a players performance and writing him off. Anyway, how has he been for Holland?
Same.
Martial for me. He has it all, intelligent player, quick feet, technical ability and cool as a cucumber. Naturally it might also be that he has just developed faster than the other two but so far he seems like our biggest prospect since Ronaldo and Rooney imo.
Interesting. Martial has made a good impression hopefully he keeps it up. Personally I think it's Januzaj- fantastic technical ability has the confidence to be a top players it's a shame he doesn't fit in to our current system.
He actually does.
Maybe some of the disappointment comes because, for some reason, many seemed to think he was some sort of Hazard-esque dribbling wizard.
He's going to need to really adapt his game, because he doesn't show the skills set of a wide man in a possession team. And I have to say, it's very unusual for players to drastically change in style. By the time a player is 20 ish, you can usually see what their future style/capabilities will be.
I really don't think he'll become a true world beater. Just my opinion, but apparently this will count as me 'writing him off'. However there's never a problem with people saying they think he will be a world beater. You're allowed to say what you feel about a young player... as long as it's positive.
I don't think he'll reach Nani's level, and he reminds he me of Hulk so much that I see him being a similar level of player.
He's going to need to really adapt his game, because he doesn't show the skills set of a wide man in a possession team. And I have to say, it's very unusual for players to drastically change in style. By the time a player is 20 ish, you can usually see what their future style/capabilities will be.
I really don't think he'll become a true world beater. Just my opinion, but apparently this will count as me 'writing him off'. However there's never a problem with people saying they think he will be a world beater. You're allowed to say what you feel about a young player... as long as it's positive.
I don't think he'll reach Nani's level, and he reminds he me of Hulk so much that I see him being a similar level of player.
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Shit. Not even involved in a goal during the whole qualification. Was shit last match too. Hopefully he has a "Brugge"like match tonight since we need to win to even have a chance of getting into the playoffs.
Please lose Turkey, Go Iceland defeat Turkey!
Edit : to answer the question someonweasked. Martial >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Januzaj >> Memphis. I also think Memphis is going to be the next Hulk, not a bad player but not a player for a European topteam.
Yep agree but more Martial >>>>>>>
i've always found it fascinating how quick people are to change judgement on a player, be it a young up and coming one like Martial / Memphis or a legend like Giggs / Schweinsteiger
They have a good game or two and Martial is the next Henry / Memphis is going to turn into Ronaldo - they have a few bad games or get some bad press and we've wasted £20m or whatever on the next bebe.
Same for legends who have done it. Schweinsteiger dominates midfield in one match and it's the best signing for the last few years, he has a mediocre game against Arsenal and we've bought and washed-up-has-been who's here for the money
I'm all for analysing and criticising performance when they're bad but not to the extend where so many on here just write the guy's career at United off etc.
They have a good game or two and Martial is the next Henry / Memphis is going to turn into Ronaldo - they have a few bad games or get some bad press and we've wasted £20m or whatever on the next bebe.
Same for legends who have done it. Schweinsteiger dominates midfield in one match and it's the best signing for the last few years, he has a mediocre game against Arsenal and we've bought and washed-up-has-been who's here for the money
I'm all for analysing and criticising performance when they're bad but not to the extend where so many on here just write the guy's career at United off etc.
Martial is the best for me.
Memphis ahead of Januzaj as well.
I rate them all highly though, and with Shaw and Periera the future looks bright.
Memphis ahead of Januzaj as well.
I rate them all highly though, and with Shaw and Periera the future looks bright.
best post ive read in a while
This is very harsh on a lad that is only 8 weeks into his united career, & is still adjusting to rigours of new league/system, people underestimate how tough a transition it can be.
Let's compare him against Firmino instead , a guy who was fantastic in Germany last year yet has been dreadful so far, or Sterling £50 m & accustomed to the Premiership yet hasn't been great, or even one of your own Pedro, very disappointing, & there could be the point, Pedro in a Barca system looked fantastic at times but he now needs adjust his game to a new system, could also be the same issue with Firmino and Sterling, they haven't just turned into bad players or aren't working hard enough, they just need a bit of patience as does Memphis.
Personally I'd like to see him come off the bench in the next few games when the opposition in tired, it could work wonders on getting his confidence up again, but lack of planning on the left potentially scuppers that for now.
Shaw is in the same bracket as Martial talent wise. People seem to ignore it because he is a defender but he is excellent and incredibly consistent for his age. I would be disappointed if he did not end up being the best left back in the world in the next 3 years, that's how highly I rate him.
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