I think he was already one of the best in Europe so hard to disagree El-Manos
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I think he was already one of the best in Europe so hard to disagree El-Manos
I'd be severely disappointed if he plays against Everton with the form he's in at the minute. Awful.
Definitely needs a breather. Time to re-acqaint himself with the bench to get back some focus.
A little over the top I think, espcaily when you consider Young will probably play at LB.
The only thing we couid do is play Rooney there which would mean no pace either side, or play Martial there which would mean we don't have a viable striker.
We've got Jones back, play Blind at LB. Young at LW.
I've only seen the last half hour of this Holland match but he's done nothing. Was he any better in the first hour?
Try telling LVG to play a non left footed CB, it'll be Rojo if not Blind, rather we kept Blind there personally.
He's offering absolutely nothing. This is not the same guy running at people and scoring for fun at PSV. He looks devoid of ideas, scared to take on his man & looks generally clueless. He's young & all but so is Martial.
He's been bad all the way through, although did get a player sent off with his pace.
It's not a stick to beat him with though, he is just having a sticky patch right now, it happens to the best, have all the faith in the world in him still personally.
this is the real issue. He was running and using his pace a it in the first two games. He's just stopped.
Made a great run to get the player sent off, shame though as he could have done with a goal to boost his confidence. He worked hard as usual and made plenty of good runs, but some were timed just a little off. His crossing wasn't the best tonight, some on the mark and some way wide. Either way he's in a little bit of a sticky patch, but class is permanent.
Thought he was poor.
That's a fair assessment. He'll be fine, just needs to be taken out of the firing line a bit....
Messi was brilliant as a teenager too. Not sure what your point is? That all teenagers should be as good as Messi/Martial?
Had the odd sparkle, but was generally anonymous tonight.
Agree with the general consensus, definitely doesn't deserve to start for us any time soon.
Agree with the general consensus, definitely doesn't deserve to start for us any time soon.
You're being very kind to him, he was more than poor.
My point is that being young is not an excuse that should be made for him ALL the time & he's 21. I don't think his poor play has much to do with his age, that's what my point is.
He was poor, it was also his man who scored the 1-0.
Just continued his club form in the last two games for the NT. He also wasnt even involved (goal/assist) in one of the (few) goals scored during the qualification.
I always thought he was being hugely overrated at this forum like he was the next Ronaldo or our answer to Hazard. People are starting to see he just isnt that talented. He is strong, quick and has some special tricks but his first touch, dribbeling and vision is not really that great. He also lacks any form of intelligence....
Maybe he reaches the level Hulk is at. A good player but not a player for a top club. I just hope he proves me wrong.
Just continued his club form in the last two games for the NT. He also wasnt even involved (goal/assist) in one of the (few) goals scored during the qualification.
I always thought he was being hugely overrated at this forum like he was the next Ronaldo or our answer to Hazard. People are starting to see he just isnt that talented. He is strong, quick and has some special tricks but his first touch, dribbeling and vision is not really that great. He also lacks any form of intelligence....
Maybe he reaches the level Hulk is at. A good player but not a player for a top club. I just hope he proves me wrong.
His age is either a valid excuse or it's not. For a 21 year old, going through the turmoil settling into a new club in a new league, in a new country then it's clearly a valid excuse for a few months poor form. The fact that some young footballers adjust and develop better/quicker than others is neither here nor there.
Anyway, chances are Martial will have a dip some time soon and the knives will be out for him too.
Never said it's not a valid excuse, I just don't agree with it as the ONLY excuse. Martial will have a dip, every player does actually.
Thought he was faster than this.
Yup, I assumed he was better at taking players on too. His dribbling abilities/close control in tight scenarios is way lower than what I assumed.
http://www.goal.com/en/news/1862/pr...-mulder?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Ex Dutch players sure love criticising ing him.
Ex Dutch players sure love criticising ing him.
Never thought he was particularly quick. Runs wiha lot of power, which can deceive people.
I don't want to be harsh on the guy. He's a young man after all and sometimes you need to have a better understanding but, all summer I was told, by United fans and other rival fans that he is;
-Fast
-Amazing on the ball
-Best winger in Europe
-Future best player in the world
-Would tear the league apart
-Would be United's player of the season.
I have seen nothing to suggest any of those statements are true.
-Fast
-Amazing on the ball
-Best winger in Europe
-Future best player in the world
-Would tear the league apart
-Would be United's player of the season.
I have seen nothing to suggest any of those statements are true.
Bit of a knee-jerk claiming he's not as talented or whatever as you thought. He started the season very well and showed he can be in the top tier of players his age. He's just lost a lot of form, why that is, I don't know. Possibly his party lifestyle has caused him to lose interest/focus?
I'm sure LVG will sort it out.
I'm sure LVG will sort it out.
What did Michael Owen do to that jersey?
Did he really? He had one really good game against an injury stricken Brugge side, but everything else has ranged from satisfactory-to-downright terrible.
They're bitter about their NT performances and he's an easy target right now, as he's having a tough season.
The way people completely turn on him is ridiculous though. Hype him all summer, even to extents that aren't justified and now trash him because a 21 year old has had a tough start at one of the largest clubs in the world. It's retarded really. I'm happy at least Martial has had a good start so he's saved from the non-sense that people say when new transfers don't perform well right away.
He's had flashes of brilliance, his directness in some games can't be disputed. A dip in form and inconsistency at his age is common. Ronaldo at his age was very hot and cold too and look how he turned out. Martial is a very unique player in that not many, if any, players his age can sustain such a high standard of performances at such a young age. That being said he hasn't been good enough recently and I think he needs to be benched or sorted out by Giggsy or LVG etc
Ronaldo very hot and cold at the age of 21? He was a fully established top player at that age. At 22 he started the 07/08 season in which he scored 42 goals.
My bad - mixed up ages with another player I was thinking of.
Was trying to say that in his first season here, granted he was 18 at the time it still took him time to settle. Not every player can make the step-up a few games into their first season in a completely different league, take ADM for example who still looks very average after leaving Spain.Memphis is imo still as good as everyone first thought, or can be* but you'd be silly to expect him to instantly become a sensation. Also some players just never become as good as they can be, doesn't mean they're average or whatever as some on here are suggesting, just that they could never make the step-up, take Nani for a prime example.
Ronaldo at the ame age was on the short list for Ballon D' or.
Edit: just seen your post
He's better off the ball, then he actually is when he's on it.
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I definitely don't think LVG's system/game time (but then who exactly is playing to the best of their abilities currently-attacking wise?) managing is helping but what about at the national level with Blind?
Are the Netherlands going through a really bad patch and needing that inspiration for a new cycle of mentality/playing style/next generation of players?
Are the Netherlands going through a really bad patch and needing that inspiration for a new cycle of mentality/playing style/next generation of players?
He's probably better on the bench than he is on the pitch too
Maybe he can wear his golden teeth while being on the bench
To reiterate what I said earlier in this thread: I'll honestly be surprised if he makes it here at United. Off-field antics aside, I don't think he's a world class player in the making. He just isn't talented enough.
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