You may laugh, however in the few games he played (even though he was bullied off the ball alot) he created most of our chances.
Memphis has been poor, extremely poor (apart from in the UCL qualies).
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You may laugh, however in the few games he played (even though he was bullied off the ball alot) he created most of our chances.
Memphis has been poor, extremely poor (apart from in the UCL qualies).
Memphis in 10 matches has the same productivity as Januzaj in all his time here, Januzaj is an all fart no poo player and is even a different type of player than Memphis who is more of an wide attacker. Januzaj more of a creator. And I think you've forgotten our first few matches this season as well, he was our most dangerous player time and time.
I think that people are going overboard, Memphis decision making has been poor and his defensive contribution is none existent but he always puts himself in good positions, he hasn't been great but he is okay, to me he seemed tired in August and is too muscular.
What is your point, still fact remains he was better before he left. Thats is all.
I haven't forgotten anything, because Januzaj was actually our most dangerous, hence why he created most of our chances.
Memphis is obviously a good player, and he is dangerous, but that doesn't mean someone else wasn't doing better. No need to get so defensive and bring up irrelavant stats about peoples whole careers.
He certainly is more suited to the way we play under van Gaal than Memphis, who has been brought up in counter attacking system. He might of course change his style of play, but IMO it's rather unlikely and will be a long process.
I'd take Januzaj on the left without a doubt.
So, deep breath …
I think what I wrote was pretty clear but I'll try to outline what I was thinking when I wrote it … although, as a qualifier, I'd like to point out that this is a debate so you do understand there is no right or wrong, just personal opinions, yes?
Exactly, couldn't agree more! I even stated in my post that he should be "free to express himself in any way he sees fit", be that: dumbass jacket, glasses, haircut, tats, grill etc. I just put forward the thought that, as he seems to be struggling with the step up at the mo it makes him an easy target and, as the press seem to be moving from professional to personal criticism it might be an idea to dial the crazy back a bit until he's proved himself on the pitch.
I didn't directly "compare" him to Balotelli for one second, go back and read it! I said he's making it too easy for the press in a similar way that Balotelli always did … no-one ever gave a toss about all the things you mentioned when Balotelli was hitching up his shirt at OT to reveal "Why always me?" on his undershirt … but the minute his on-pitch performances took a backseat to the bling and glitz he was doomed in this country. Beckham was run out of this club for concentrating on aspects of his life outside of football and he contributed (and still contributes) a hell of a lot more than Memphis has done … so far! Note the so far please lads!
I take it that this is the bit you say is "not directed at me" as I never even touched on this but I will say, seeing as you bring it up, that the talk about the strength of the opposition that night has some value when assigning him credit for this. I know you can't pick and choose when to turn it on … but I'd have much rather seen a world class performance out of him when he played his first game back at PSV than at OT that night. The guy just needs time and space to concentrate on what he's obviously good at … which I will say again, he is not giving himself by making himself such an easy target for the press off the field.
Agree, and, although I never said that I will repeat what I've said earlier and before as I personally believe it to be true: he needs to give himself time and space to accrue that experience as well as asking patience from us … it's a two way street.
TFFT! A guy can get paranoid you know that was already written defending an earlier similar accusation! But good intercourse is what this forum is all about … I'm going to regret writing I just know I am!
I think what I wrote was pretty clear but I'll try to outline what I was thinking when I wrote it … although, as a qualifier, I'd like to point out that this is a debate so you do understand there is no right or wrong, just personal opinions, yes?
Exactly, couldn't agree more! I even stated in my post that he should be "free to express himself in any way he sees fit", be that: dumbass jacket, glasses, haircut, tats, grill etc. I just put forward the thought that, as he seems to be struggling with the step up at the mo it makes him an easy target and, as the press seem to be moving from professional to personal criticism it might be an idea to dial the crazy back a bit until he's proved himself on the pitch.
I didn't directly "compare" him to Balotelli for one second, go back and read it! I said he's making it too easy for the press in a similar way that Balotelli always did … no-one ever gave a toss about all the things you mentioned when Balotelli was hitching up his shirt at OT to reveal "Why always me?" on his undershirt … but the minute his on-pitch performances took a backseat to the bling and glitz he was doomed in this country. Beckham was run out of this club for concentrating on aspects of his life outside of football and he contributed (and still contributes) a hell of a lot more than Memphis has done … so far! Note the so far please lads!
I take it that this is the bit you say is "not directed at me" as I never even touched on this but I will say, seeing as you bring it up, that the talk about the strength of the opposition that night has some value when assigning him credit for this. I know you can't pick and choose when to turn it on … but I'd have much rather seen a world class performance out of him when he played his first game back at PSV than at OT that night. The guy just needs time and space to concentrate on what he's obviously good at … which I will say again, he is not giving himself by making himself such an easy target for the press off the field.
Agree, and, although I never said that I will repeat what I've said earlier and before as I personally believe it to be true: he needs to give himself time and space to accrue that experience as well as asking patience from us … it's a two way street.
(Not all directed at you by the way
TFFT! A guy can get paranoid you know that was already written defending an earlier similar accusation! But good intercourse is what this forum is all about … I'm going to regret writing I just know I am!
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Lool, what exactly did Januzaj do last season then? Absolute nothing under van Gaal, 0 goals and 1 assist from a rebound in dozens of matches. He just offers so little, is at United, Dortmund (besides meaningless friendlies), Belgium. I dont think Januzaj suits van Gaal either, the best form he showed was under counter attacking football under Moyes as well.
If you think that's irrelevant I wonder what you think is relevant, nor do I agree that Januzaj was any better at the start of the season. His general play is better than Depay's, but even last season we saw that he is even so frustrating the most of the time.
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Probably the fact that my post you replied to was talking about this season.... but I digress.
Is memphis starting tomorrow? Talkshite were saying key United staff were getting abit pissed off with him?
Young is out so unless LvG wants to start Pereira there, Memphis gets that start by default.
I hope going out of the Euros he comes out with a fighting spirit and scores today, puts in a solid preforming and shuts his doubters wrong. The same for Januzaj too (the next time he plays).
I've taken him out of my fantasy team today, I hope he proves me wrong if he does play.
Dani Alves dress sense > Memphis
Been below average at best since joining in the league. One good game vs Brugge he needs taking out the starting 11, benched and has to work hard to get back in the team. Been disappointed with him as heard the hype but hadn't seen him but what I have seen he has yet to impress. I can't work out what he's good at. He seems to have a shot on him but doesn't have the option to go on the outside and cross with his left to mix it up a bit. Hopefully he starts to settle and we see his potential soon enough.
He'll come good I reckon.
Is Coleman fit? Could be a huge problem with Memphis his lack of tracking back..
Played the full 90 for Ireland against Poland, motm contender as well -- did an excellent defensive job against Lewandowski.
Will destroy Everton today.
Even he doesn't have the nerve to put in another lazy performance.
So not only fit but also in form? That could become a huge problem.
Memphis is not likely to get past Coleman that often since Coleman is a good player who is also quick and strong while Memphis might not track back when Coleman attacks. I dont expect much from Memphis today
Rooney is also useless against Everton and in his current form he would be useless anyway. Martial to the rescue!
I'd maybe play Martial on the left, Memphis on the right. I think Martial would fare better against Coleman tbh, but it leaves the prospect of Rooney up front which could be disastrous. I'm hoping he'll have a good game, lots of points to prove today.So not only fit but also in form? That could become a huge problem.
Memphis is not likely to get past Coleman that often since Coleman is a good player who is also quick and strong while Memphis might not track back when Coleman attacks. I dont expect much from Memphis today
Rooney is also useless against Everton and in his current form he would be useless anyway. Martial to the rescue!
Hopefully he'll be on the bench today. He needs the rest and we can't afford to carry two donkeys in important games like this.
This could be the beginning of the end for him at United. I called it with di Maria and I have a similar feeling here, although he's obviously much younger and has a lot more time to find himself at the club and in the league. Performance wise, Martial, Young and even Mata clearly belong ahead of him on the wings. Once Januzaj returns the air is only gonna get thinner and since Lingard was solid today as well, Depay is gonna be in for a tough ride not only this year, but in the next few seasons.
The only hope he has is that van Gaal trusts him a lot and plays him even when he performs poorly.
The only hope he has is that van Gaal trusts him a lot and plays him even when he performs poorly.
He needed the break to be honest. The step up in physicality between the NL and here is pretty big. Martial has adapted better as the French league might be even more physical than here.
Hopefully he comes back a little bit more energised.
Hopefully he comes back a little bit more energised.
A lot of players have had long spells on the bench but when given their chance, they seized it and gained Van Gaal's trust. Mata, Fellaini, Herrera and Young last season ended up as our key players.
Januzaj, Di Maria, Falcao, and to a lesser extent Wilson didn't hence they failed to earn spot in the starting line up.
If Depay is going to go through a phase on the sidelines then he needs to keep motivated and ready to make an impact. Not half-arse it on the field because you may get a tap in and then you think you're safe. Di Maria admitted this was a problem. He'd get an assist and think his poor general play is excused but not in Van Gaal's eyes.
Ffs. He's a 21 year old going from the Eredivisie to the premier league. He shouldn't have been an automatic starter from the off, but he's still shown his quality in spurts. He's going to become a top player for us, Van Gaal benching him after a poor spell of form after playing 3 times a week for probably the first time in his life in a tough league is nothing surprising. What young players need is time to get things right, and he'll get that. He's not going to start every game, but to say it's the beginning of the end of him after 2 months here
Pull it together.Ffs. He's a 21 year old going from the Eredivisie to the premier league. He shouldn't have been an automatic starter from the off, but he's still shown his quality in spurts. He's going to become a top player for us, Van Gaal benching him after a poor spell of form after playing 3 times a week for probably the first time in his life in a tough league is nothing surprising. What young players need is time to get things right, and he'll get that. He's not going to start every game, but to say it's the beginning of the end of him after 2 months here
I'm pretty calm, just making a rational observation based on the fact that he has yet to have a good performance in the BPL, is at a big club with massive expectations and has plenty of players performing well ahead of him. People said I was overreacting in di Maria's case when I called it early and see how that turned out. If he had at least had some decent games in the Premier League and had just hit a poor run of form, I would disagree, but outside of that Brugge game and some preseason games, he's been garbage.
I'm not saying it's gonna happen right away, but it feels like a process of him failing here has started.
He has had plenty of decent games. He played well against Southampton and was unlucky not to score, he was probably our best player against Newcastle and our only threat in that game, was decent in our first few league games when we weren't scoring. Played well in the champions league games as well. It's just his recent form has been poor, more or less coinciding with Shaw getting that injury. It's nothing to worry about. Happens to everyone. Just because you guessed Di Maria was unhappy and wanted to go somewhere else doesn't mean that it's the same case with Memphis. Once he adapts to the league, he'll become a top player for us, really have no doubt about that. Van Gaal will give him time to develop, sometime put him out of the spotlight like today. All players need that, especially young players. I'm sure Martial will go through a bad run of form some time this season as well. It's just something that happens.
Anyway, he's got 4 goals and 4 assists for us already. Pretty decent productivity for a 21 year old going to a new league.
I have a different memory of him in the BPL to be honest, especially reflecting on it now. He was perhaps the best player on a very poor team, but that still doesn't mean he did well himself. He played well against Brugge and I forgot the Eindhoven game, but he didn't do well against Wolfsburg.
It's like when a player is entering a rough patch of form, sometimes they're decent, sometimes poor, but then everyone just blurs the decent performances with the bad ones and just say he's been bad altogether. Even if he had a pretty good game. Sometimes players who are in a slump need a genuinely very good game to get out of a slump and have people notice it.
Hope he realizes you have to work hard at this club. Arsenal game was unacceptable.
Harsh on him to say this but replacing him with Herrera and moved Martial wide has give us a breath of fresh air.I have a same feeling with @Wade3 but obviously it's way to soon to write him off in any form.
Surprised to see a few people writing him off. New league, big move to big club. Give him some time. Its not like he has been abysmal either. Has shown glimpses even if it is against Brugge. Nowhere near worried.
Needs to stop going to the gym and do more work on the field and the tactical board.
This. The way people have been writing him off is pathetic. I remember similar performances from a young Ronaldo. In fact remember fans calling for Ronaldo's head after the World Cup incident. Good job you fans aren't the manager. Clueless.
The gym is not a problem at all, he's young and has plenty of time to improve.
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I'm not saying we should sell him or cut him. I'm projecting a path that could happen. I don't deny his talents, I'm high on him myself, but given that he's been performing poorly for a while, that multiple players ahead of him are clearly better options right now and that we are still a big club that can't give him forever to become a consistent performer, this could be the start of the end for him.
Ronaldo was 18 when he joined this club, Memphis is 21. In the 06/07 season, when Ronaldo was 21, he had 23 goals and 23 assists to his name. While that's not the telling statistic, it goes to show how far ahead Ronaldo was at that age. The year after, Ronaldo was in the discussion for best player in the world already.
I was trying hard to see the performances in a positive light, as I obviously want him to succeed, but they simply weren't that good. Look at Martial today for example. He was struggling at times, he had two or three guys thrown at him, but he still had a big impact on that left side simply by playing smart football. He moved well without the ball, made good decisions and found many ways to impact the game. He wasn't the massive force he was on previous nights, but still gave us a lot.
Steady on.
Hazard went from scoring just under 1 in 2 in France to 1 in 5 in his first season at Chelsea. It's his first season in the UK not his 4th. That comparison isn't fair even if you discount the fact that it's Ronaldo.
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