[C'est Moi Cantona]

Early days .But i did expect to see something that makes him stand out.

He has scored 4 goals for us already, and was the 1st leg catalyst in the ultra important Brugee game, I would also argue that 3 of the goals he has scored couldn't have been scored by any other member of our current squad, Maybe Young aside for the second Brugee goal.

It mustn't be forgotten also that he has lost his partner on the left with the Shaw injury, which can't have helped, and he maybe hasn't been helped by playing so much so quickly.

You've just got to take a look at Firmino for Liverpool to see a real disappointment (so far) , and Sterling hasn't been doing much as yet, if Memphis keeps up his current score rate, and maybe improves it as he settles, then we're looking at 15 + goals from him in his first season, which would be fantastic.

 

[bucky]

He has scored 4 goals for us already, and was the 1st leg catalyst in the ultra important Brugee game, I would also argue that 3 of the goals he has scored couldn't have been scored by any other member of our current squad, Maybe Young aside for the second Brugee goal.

It mustn't be forgotten also that he has lost his partner on the left with the Shaw injury, which can't have helped, and he maybe hasn't been helped by playing so much so quickly.

You've just got to take a look at Firmino for Liverpool to see a real disappointment (so far) , and Sterling hasn't been doing much as yet, if Memphis keeps up his current score rate, and maybe improves it as he settles, then we're looking at 15 + goals from him in his first season, which would be fantastic.

Good post.

 

[YouOnlyLiveTwice]

“There are a lot of games in Manchester,”

“There are very few rest days and on training days you are mainly concerned with recovering."

“It’s heavy, two games a week, always at a high level, and my body has to get used to that.”

“I try to manage my career in steps, and I am still in the middle,”

“I think this was the right step and I am happy in Manchester... I’m still developing.”

 

[LR7]

He has scored 4 goals for us already, and was the 1st leg catalyst in the ultra important Brugee game, I would also argue that 3 of the goals he has scored couldn't have been scored by any other member of our current squad, Maybe Young aside for the second Brugee goal.

It mustn't be forgotten also that he has lost his partner on the left with the Shaw injury, which can't have helped, and he maybe hasn't been helped by playing so much so quickly.

You've just got to take a look at Firmino for Liverpool to see a real disappointment (so far) , and Sterling hasn't been doing much as yet, if Memphis keeps up his current score rate, and maybe improves it as he settles, then we're looking at 15 + goals from him in his first season, which would be fantastic.

Well said.


Maybe LvG should rotate him with Young more so that he's only playing one game per week for a while as he gets used to the intensity. Then he can be eased into playing more. People forget he's still young and playing at a new level.

 

[The United Irishman]

He has scored 4 goals for us already, and was the 1st leg catalyst in the ultra important Brugee game, I would also argue that 3 of the goals he has scored couldn't have been scored by any other member of our current squad, Maybe Young aside for the second Brugee goal.

It mustn't be forgotten also that he has lost his partner on the left with the Shaw injury, which can't have helped, and he maybe hasn't been helped by playing so much so quickly.

You've just got to take a look at Firmino for Liverpool to see a real disappointment (so far) , and Sterling hasn't been doing much as yet, if Memphis keeps up his current score rate, and maybe improves it as he settles, then we're looking at 15 + goals from him in his first season, which would be fantastic.

He still isn't having enough impact in games, I'll take your point on goals scored so far but he's losing the ball too much and running himself into too many corners I hope I'm wrong but I really don't see an upgrade on Nani so far in fact I'd say I'd rather Nani at this moment in time..He's been a real disappointment so far.

 

[Gopher Brown]

Like many people here I have thus far been unimpressed, but I'm sure he has the talent to be a star here. We need to bring him off the bench in the last 15 min in the next few games so he gets to run at tired defenders and build his confidence a bit.

 

[buckooo1978]

a player like Memphis in years gone by would have been introduced slowly.....

we don't have that option these days with such a small squad

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

He still isn't having enough impact in games, I'll take your point on goals scored so far but he's losing the ball too much and running himself into too many corners I hope I'm wrong but I really don't see an upgrade on Nani so far in fact I'd say I'd rather Nani at this moment in time..He's been a real disappointment so far.

Well you're a hard man to please then, this is his first two months at a completely new level of competition, other than Martial, and Mata he has done more than any other attacker we have, yes he is very in and out but the ability is there, it's easy to forget how long it took Ronaldo to settle and start playing consistently.

He just needs to rotate a bit more with Young, watching from the bench could help him a lot if he's that sort of player, for me he's been getting knackered towards the end of games, so coming on as sub for the last 20-30 mins could be perfect for him for a while.

 

[Devil81]

a player like Memphis in years gone by would have been introduced slowly.....

we don't have that option these days with such a small squad

That's so true, Sir Alex would have taken him out of the firing line by now as well.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

a player like Memphis in years gone by would have been introduced slowly.....

we don't have that option these days with such a small squad

Young switching to left back has scuppered that, it's strange thing to say but him playing every game could mean he takes longer to adjust to things than if he was introduced a bit slower, confidence is a big factor for players like him and his will be lower than it should right now, hence he should be rotated more to take the pressure off.

Maybe sticking Rooney out on the left for while is the way to go.

 

[buckooo1978]

Young switching to left back has scuppered that, it's strange thing to say but him playing every game could mean he takes longer to adjust to things than if he was introduced a bit slower, confidence is a big factor for players like him and his will be lower than it should right now, hence he should be rotated more to take the pressure off.

Maybe sticking Rooney out on the left for while is the way to go.

I'd favour that suggestion

Rooney on the left would allow Mata inside and offers protection for Young at LB

as I type its unbelievable that we have spent so much money and we're talking about the merits of playing a left winger at left back and an out of form striker on left wing

 

[The United Irishman]

Well you're a hard man to please then, this is his first two months at a completely new level of competition, other than Martial, and Mata he has done more than any other attacker we have, yes he is very in and out but the ability is there, it's easy to forget how long it took Ronaldo to settle and start playing consistently.

He just needs to rotate a bit more with Young, watching from the bench could help him a lot if he's that sort of player, for me he's been getting knackered towards the end of games, so coming on as sub for the last 20-30 mins could be perfect for him for a while.

As I said before CMC you make some good points and are a great poster on these forums I'm not doubting Memphis' ability or skill set at all..far from it..I rarely did to Nani either, but I am seeing the same patterns developing beating his man once then going back and trying to beat him again (we have had to endure this shite with McGeady over the years) there really is no need, so many times he beats a man and should stick it in the box but he chooses to stem the attack by going back and trying to make an arse out of his opponent again and again..if he cuts this out he will be fine and develop well, but if he keeps at it then we just have another Nani on our books...

 

[Raoul]

He has scored 4 goals for us already, and was the 1st leg catalyst in the ultra important Brugee game, I would also argue that 3 of the goals he has scored couldn't have been scored by any other member of our current squad, Maybe Young aside for the second Brugee goal.

It mustn't be forgotten also that he has lost his partner on the left with the Shaw injury, which can't have helped, and he maybe hasn't been helped by playing so much so quickly.

You've just got to take a look at Firmino for Liverpool to see a real disappointment (so far) , and Sterling hasn't been doing much as yet, if Memphis keeps up his current score rate, and maybe improves it as he settles, then we're looking at 15 + goals from him in his first season, which would be fantastic.

Excellent post.

 

[Adisa]

 

[DWelbz19]

He needs a bit of a bollocking. I know people like to cut slack to young lads for having fun and whatnot but it is a bit jarring to hear he went out on to the town after that terrible Arsenal game.

 

[Varun]

He needs a bit of a bollocking. I know people like to cut slack to young lads for having fun and whatnot but it is a bit jarring to hear he went out on to the town after that terrible Arsenal game.

I didn't get this after reading the article either. What does it mean? He was out in town doing what?

 

[bosnian_red]

I didn't get this after reading the article either. What does it mean? He was out in town doing what?

Means he went out to a club or something. Who gives a feck what he does in his free time? Its not like he's out getting drunk or getting caught with drugs or anything like that. Never understood why people are so obsessed with what players do after a game. Its not like they have to be miserable for the entire week after they lose a game.

 

[Varun]

Means he went out to a club or something. Who gives a feck what he does in his free time? Its not like he's out getting drunk or getting caught with drugs or anything like that. Never understood why people are so obsessed with what players do after a game. Its not like they have to be miserable for the entire week after they lose a game.

I'd imagine they'd all be quite down after the battering we got. Especially him who had a shocker. If the guy went out to relax, I really dont see a big deal. I'm assuming he wasn't out partying or something which would be ridiculous.

 

[DWelbz19]

Means he went out to a club or something. Who gives a feck what he does in his free time? Its not like he's out getting drunk or getting caught with drugs or anything like that. Never understood why people are so obsessed with what players do after a game. Its not like they have to be miserable for the entire week after they lose a game.

That's exactly what 'out on the town' implies, though.

 

[bosnian_red]

That's exactly what 'out on the town' implies, though.

It implies he's going out to clubs and stuff, sure. Doesn't mean he's out drinking. Big difference. Pretty sure NL Max on here said that he's never been seen partying or drinking really and he just doesn't really do it much. He's a 21 year old with loads of money... I highly doubt he's just going to sit at home every night crying about having a poor performance or the team losing. It happens, but he doesn't have to be miserable about it all day. You just move on to the next one. Giggs used to go out all the time as a youngster and so does virtually every single player.

 

[DWelbz19]

Please. What the feck is a young boy with shit loads of money doing in clubs? And if you actually read the article it's clear he's 'out on the town' (not drinking!) way more than any other player, not just the young ones like you assert, and as a result has had a talking to.

 

[Adisa]

I think he went out partying. After the match he had, the club have the right to take issue with it if it's true.

 

[Jazz]

He definitely needed a talking to for not putting in the required effort when we played the Arse. In fact, he needs to concentrate on what he's doing wrong and correcting it.

My only problem with this is why are sources telling the media about this?? Why can't he get a talking to without 'sources' telling the media? Are staff/players so hard up that they need to run to the media with everything going on behind closed doors? That's pissing me off.

With Memphis' background, you have to handle him carefully or he can go off the rails. A firm talk coupled with a little sensitivity is the way to go with someone who must be feeling insecure right now. You don't leak things like this to the media - how is that going to help the lad?

 

[bosnian_red]

Please. What the feck is a young boy with shit loads of money doing in clubs? And if you actually read the article it's clear he's 'out on the town' (not drinking!) way more than any other player, not just the young ones like you assert, and as a result has had a talking to.

Having fun? De Gea went to clubs all the time in his first couple of seasons here didn't he? Giggs would sneak out to clubs all the time when he was a youngster. It's something that players do. I really don't see why it matters what players do to have fun off the pitch. He still works hard in training most likely? He's in perfect physical shape pretty much isn't he? Him going out to clubs now and then isn't going to make him any better or worse in games... The only thing that'll change that is him getting used to the league and simply improving his performances on the pitch.

And I just read the article. Seems like it's more saying that Giggs told him to just stay out of the limelight a bit until he gets used to the league more. Probably so that when he has a bad performance, it doesn't get noticed as much as he wouldn't be in the limelight much. Pretty much all there is to it. If he's confident he can handle the pressure from the media then that's his decision.

 

[Brwned]

What should he be doing instead? Sitting at home quietly contemplating his performance? Doing extra training? Fecking hell, lads.

 

[DWelbz19]

He still works hard in training most likely? He's in perfect physical shape pretty much isn't he?Him going out to clubs now and then isn't going to make him any better or worse in games...

Sure showed that against Arsenal didn't he? He got hooked after 45 minutes because it was clear he couldn't give a feck. I don't know why you keep mentioning Giggs. I have no clue as I was only a child when he was young but if you can prove Giggs was doing it to the extent Memphis seems to be doing it, then sure, I'll cede your point.

If this was just a case of him 'having fun' Giggs wouldn't be talking to him, and Bates (who has been very reliable with club news over the last year or so) wouldn't be writing small articles about it.

 

[bosnian_red]

What should he be doing instead? Sitting at home quietly contemplating his performance? Doing extra training? Fecking hell, lads.

People on here seem obsessed with getting every player to do nothing with their lives but think about their performance on the pitch and if they lose, then they aren't allowed to do anything but sulk about it. That "talking to" seems a lot more like a suggestion to stay out of the limelight more then telling him to buckle up or something like that.

 

[DWelbz19]

What should he be doing instead? Sitting at home quietly contemplating his performance? Doing extra training? Fecking hell, lads.

He shouldn't be doing it to the point where he's getting spoken to about it, obviously, lad.

 

[Brwned]

He shouldn't be doing it to the point where he's getting spoken to about it, obviously, lad.

Shouldn't he? How many of our great players do you think haven't had a talking to when they were young? I think you'd really struggle to list a handful. I can easily list a handful who have been given a talking to: Giggs, Beckham, Scholes, Keane, Rooney, among many, many others.

 

[bosnian_red]

Sure showed that against Arsenal didn't he? He got hooked after 45 minutes because it was clear he couldn't give a feck. I don't know why you keep mentioning Giggs. I have no clue as I was only a child when he was young but if you can prove Giggs was doing it to the extent Memphis seems to be doing it, then sure, I'll cede your point.

If this was just a case of him 'having fun' Giggs wouldn't be talking to him, and Bates (who has been very reliable with club news over the last year or so) wouldn't be writing small articles about it.

Did you not watch the class of 92 documentary? Giggs even talked about it how he'd go out to clubs, and Fergie would be able to tell the next day in training because Giggs would shave the night before, so he simply stopped shaving when he'd go out.

Darmian also got hooked after 45 minutes. Players have shit games. It's not a big deal really. And Giggs talking to him, as I've said, looks a lot more like Giggs just recommending to him to stay out of the media's spotlight while he's adapting to the league, as if he's in the spotlight, everyone criticizes him heavily for having a bad game while you hardly get a mention if not. Both Darmian and Memphis got subbed off at half time for having shit games. Who has been talked about more on here? That's pretty much all there is to it.

 

[DWelbz19]

Shouldn't he? How many of our great players do you think haven't had a talking to when they were young? I think you'd really struggle to list a handful. I can easily list a handful who have been given a talking to: Giggs, Beckham, Scholes, Keane, Rooney, among many, many others...

Are you actually suggesting it's right for him to be doing it to the extent where he needs to be spoken to about it? Madness. Just because you can list players who have done so doesn't mean Memphis should be doing this.

Did you not watch the class of 92 documentary? Giggs even talked about it how he'd go out to clubs, and Fergie would be able to tell the next day in training because Giggs would shave the night before, so he simply stopped shaving when he'd go out.

Darmian also got hooked after 45 minutes. Players have shit games. It's not a big deal really. And Giggs talking to him, as I've said, looks a lot more like Giggs just recommending to him to stay out of the media's spotlight while he's adapting to the league, as if he's in the spotlight, everyone criticizes him heavily for having a bad game while you hardly get a mention if not. Both Darmian and Memphis got subbed off at half time for having shit games. Who has been talked about more on here? That's pretty much all there is to it.

I didn't, no. If the talking to is just to keep him out of the spotlight, then sure, that's fine. But if it's because of the fact that he's been partying too much, then that shouldn't be something that's acceptable.

 

[Devil may care]

He should learn from Martial, home to the wife, nice pot pie for tea and a night in front of the box.

Memphis biggest flaw right now is his lack of tracking back, in attack I think he's struggling to cope with being double marked and isn't helped by the fact teams know we only have one flank with pace and a #10 that doesn't do anything, so they can focus on him. However the lack of tracking back is pure laziness and he needs to get it sorted out as it has nothing to do with talent.

 

[bosnian_red]

Are you actually suggesting it's right for him to be doing it to the extent where he needs to be spoken to about it? Madness. Just because you can list players who have done so doesn't mean Memphis should be doing this.
I didn't, no. If the talking to is just to keep him out of the spotlight, then sure, that's fine. But if it's because of the fact that he's been partying too much, then that shouldn't be something that's acceptable.

And he’s been advised to tone it down while he struggles to adapt to the pace of the Premier League.
“He’s been told to keep his head down a bit while his football catches up with the rest of his profile."

Seems a lot more like a suggestion to stay out of the spotlight, no? It's best to ignore headlines and actually look for the relevant bits of information.

 

[Devil may care]

Are you actually suggesting it's right for him to be doing it to the extent where he needs to be spoken to about it? Madness. Just because you can list players who have done so doesn't mean Memphis should be doing this.

The big difference is back then footballers were not the "stars" they are today and attracted a lot less attention when doing these things and on top of that the players today should have learned from the mistakes of the past generations and be treating their good fortune to be a pro athlete with more care IMO.

 

[Brwned]

Are you actually suggesting it's right for him to be doing it to the extent where he needs to be spoken to about it? Madness. Just because you can list players who have done so doesn't mean Memphis should be doing this.

21 year olds are idiots. 21 year olds with a shitload of money in a country with a huge drinking culture are going to get drunk. That's inevitable. The staff will then have to reign them in a bit every now and again - that's inevitable too. It's not an issue in any way. It's completely normal. This is just the media trying to get a story and a bit of drama out of nothing.

 

[Jazz]

21 year olds are idiots. 21 year olds with a shitload of money in a country with a huge drinking culture are going to get drunk. That's inevitable. The staff will then have to reign them in a bit every now and again - that's inevitable too. It's not an issue in any way. It's completely normal. This is just the media trying to get a story and a bit of drama out of nothing.

Yeah I agree with this bit. And everyone knows what the British media is like. This is exactly why the 'source' should not be opening their big mouths to the press about these things. Especially with such a wound up young man like Memphis.

 

[bosnian_red]

Yeah I agree with this bit. And everyone knows what the British media is like. This is exactly why the 'source' should not be opening their big mouths to the press about these things. Especially with such a wound up young man like Memphis.

Yep, that's the only "issue" here if there is one at all. It's perfectly normal for players to get talked to by the staff, get suggestions, criticized and all that. It's to be expected. It shouldn't be leaked to the media though, because there will always be irrational people who take it for a lot more then it is and start thinking it's some serious issue when it's really nothing that isn't normal.

 

[Jazz]

Yep, that's the only "issue" here if there is one at all. It's perfectly normal for players to get talked to by the staff, get suggestions, criticized and all that. It's to be expected. It shouldn't be leaked to the media though, because there will always be irrational people who take it for a lot more then it is and start thinking it's some serious issue when it's really nothing that isn't normal.

Absolutely. That the person who did this didn't even think of the consequences makes me despair slightly about the state of so called players/staff close to the dressing room. I thought 'leaks' had gone with the Moyes era but apparently not. Why on earth the club doesn't give these people a good talking to is beyond my comprehension.

Worries me too because Memphis has a tricky personality from what I've read, and I wonder if any one on staff is equipped to deal with him or able to even recognise when he needs some mental support. Seems he had someone helping him with that side of things in Holland, and it seems to have been quite successful. I therefore wonder if anyone has thought about encouraging him to fly that guy in, just to calm him down a bit. That would be one way of trying to get him going on the right path - but going to the press just adds more pressure. Honestly, I despair

 

[Maradona10]

That article looks like was dictated to bates by ryan giggs. I wonder what "senior sources" mean though. If he is tired already, then he will probably sulk at christmas time. Why i wonder would a 21 year old get tired of playing football? He is young, fit and he is getting paid to play, i think he needs a kick to the arse. Some players loved to play every game and do not complain of tiredness, i like them. This attitude that you are tired after 8 games is bullshit, if you are tired you stay at home and try and recover every second. I dont like his attitude, it seems he has "mini balotelli" syndrome. For people saying sir alex would have taken him out of the firing line, a 17 year old ronaldo made 40 appearances in his first season. We were knocked out of the league cup and europe early that season if my memory is right.

 

[bosnian_red]

That article looks like was dictated to bates by ryan giggs. I wonder what "senior sources" mean though. If he is tired already, then he will probably sulk at christmas time. Why i wonder would a 21 year old get tired of playing football? He is young, fit and he is getting paid to play, i think he needs a kick to the arse. Some players loved to play every game and do not complain of tiredness, i like them. This attitude that you are tired after 8 games is bullshit, if you are tired you stay at home and try and recover every second. I dont like his attitude, it seems he has "mini balotelli" syndrome. For people saying sir alex would have taken him out of the firing line, a 17 year old ronaldo made 40 appearances in his first season. We were knocked out of the league cup and europe early that season if my memory is right.

40 appearances doesn't mean 40 starts though. And you can't compare every young player to cristiano ronaldo. He's one of the best players ever and up there with the most dedicated athletes ever.