[cesc's_mullet]

It's true http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-success-Chris-Brown-s-ex-Karrueche-Tran.html

What a cnut he looks.

What a knobber.

I thought he had a terrific attitude and was grounded? I could have sworn I had read that prior to him signing this summer.

Having said that Karrueche Tran is ridiculously hot and if I had to dress like a knobber to get in there then I would literally wear a dick.

 

[ZDwyr]

They may not be saying the words but if you look at a few comments from the first page of quotes after the Arsenal game one could say that they are the ones throwing out nonsense accusations. Or at least they are exaggerating the situation to try and enhance their argument.

...

If you want to say that you feel he needs to improve, that we should explore other options or give other suggestions on how to make things better for the team AND the player then I am all for it. But for people to come on and say that he has been such an absolute disgraceful, fecking garbage, utter crap player that we are basically playing with 10 men so he shouldn't be on the pitch because he is not United quality? Nothing constructive in those kind of posts unless your goal is to pile on and try to look cool.

Look, I don't have the answer, I wish I did. There are a couple main schools of thought... keep putting him in and let him try to play through it or spoon feed him into easy situations where he can (hopefully) run riot and gain confidence that way. There is probably a happy medium there in certain cases too ("easy" opponents start him, sub him late if possible in the rest). Guess we shall see what the manager does here in a couple weeks, hopefully injuries will not dictate who plays.

I sure would like to hear what LVG and the rest of the coaches are telling him right now. Hopefully they are not getting their inspiration of what to say to him off the Caf.

I stand by my comments. He was awful and has been for a while. Shouldn't be picked. Doesn't mean I don't think he'll ever be any good or that he is useless. He is just out of form.

 

[SoCross]

He has talent; just needs to be guided on how to best utilise that talent. Right now he is predictable and keeps on doing the same thing and then losing the ball. Take him out of the firing line and then reintegrate him off the bench.

And 21 year old goes out to a club with a pretty girl shocker. Its like Ronaldo - another footballer with a terrific attitude towards training and self development and the one who's name keeps cropping up - never did these things when he was the same age

 

[VorZakone]

He has talent; just needs to be guided on how to best utilise that talent. Right now he is predictable and keeps on doing the same thing and then losing the ball. Take him out of the firing line and then reintegrate him off the bench.

And 21 year old goes out to a club with a pretty girl shocker. Its like Ronaldo - another footballer with a terrific attitude towards training and self development and the one who's name keeps cropping up - never did these things when he was the same age

Ronaldo at 21 was much better...

 

[JPRouve]

It's true http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-success-Chris-Brown-s-ex-Karrueche-Tran.html

What a cnut he looks.

The first comment is amazing, football players are role model for children now.

Other than that, I see a lot of good things in his game but he almost always touches the ball one too many time, it's obviously a problem but he is young, Robben had the same problem at the same age, Memphis can fix that with experience and more maturity in his game.
Personally I think that he should start every games because he puts himself in the right positions and if he is serious, it's only a matter of time before he exploits his talent.

 

[Kostur]

He has talent; just needs to be guided on how to best utilise that talent. Right now he is predictable and keeps on doing the same thing and then losing the ball. Take him out of the firing line and then reintegrate him off the bench.

And 21 year old goes out to a club with a pretty girl shocker. Its like Ronaldo - another footballer with a terrific attitude towards training and self development and the one who's name keeps cropping up - never did these things when he was the same age

Ronaldo never wore shit golden griil if I'm not mistaken though.

 

[AngeloHenriquez]

football players are role model for children now.

Sarcastic?

 

[JPRouve]

Sarcastic?

It was supposed to be a question but I forgot a crucial element.

 

[SoCross]

Ronaldo at 21 was much better...

No doubt about that; I'm just talking in regards to Memphis's so called attitude problem which he supposedly has because he's seen out at a night club with a stupid grill on his teeth. As for Ronaldo being better, he already had 3/4 years in the Premier League at 21. Give this boy at least a year to settle in. Don't think he'd ever reach the standards Ronaldo rose to but I think he has the potential to be in the rung below at least.

Ronaldo never wore shit golden griil if I'm not mistaken though.

They didn't have shit like that back in the day. Pretty sure Ronaldo was quite the ladies man. Remember him, Ando and Nani getting up to some shenanigans and so on and so forth.

 

[AngeloHenriquez]

It was supposed to be a question but I forgot a crucial element.

Sorry, Im asking if you disagree or agree with your statement "football players are role model for children now." I thought you were being sarcastic saying they weren't.. :S

 

[JPRouve]

Sorry, Im asking if you disagree or agree with your statement "football players are role model for children now." I thought you were being sarcastic saying they weren't.. :S

It's not my statement the exact statement by a reader of the article is that footballers are role models but rappers aren't. Since when footballers are definite role models and why artists can't be role models?

 

[iKeano]

He needs proper managing.... it looks as if no one from the club has sat him down and watched his performances back.
Coaches should be pointing out how much time he thinks he has on the ball Vs how much time he actually has in the PL, showing him that when he loses the ball (more often than not) his lack of tracking back is not the way Man Utd wingers play. If they have done this, then they need to ask serious questions about his application. To be blunt, he's drastically underperformed this season. If Martial wasn't the unexpected godsend he currently is, Memphis would be getting a much tougher time. It's not like the pricetag is weighing him down, Martial is taking all that slack away from him too, it's literally almost the perfect time to be introduced to the club & in short, he's blowing it.
Yes yes... he has bags of talent, potential in abundance and is flying fit... BUT, he never fully utilises his upper body strength (see Martial for how it's executed perfectly) he never tracks back EVER (see Ashley Young for how it's executed perfectly) and more worrying than anything... he's becoming more and more like Nani in disguise.
He needs to be dropped for the Everton game and Young deserves a start ahead of him... problem is, this won't happen because LVG needs.. NEEDS to execute his full back substitution in every game (that's another rant for another thread!) and with the current injury list, Young is forced to play out of position.
Memphis was one of the players I was most excited about coming in this summer, but so far I'm totally, totally underwhelmed.

 

[Cassidy]

Hopefully we don't treat him like ADM... else this could end badly

 

[NL Max]

What a knobber.

I thought he had a terrific attitude and was grounded? I could have sworn I had read that prior to him signing this summer.

Having said that Karrueche Tran is ridiculously hot and if I had to dress like a knobber to get in there then I would literally wear a dick.

Because having a terrible taste in fashion equals having a bad attitude? He enjoys the rich lifestyle as he grew up in poverty but that can go hand-in-hand with being a professional, he has hired people on his own accord to limit his spending. He used to have some attitude problems when he was younger (pre-WC he sometimes showed off his money too much), but hasn't had problems since he got to work with van Gaal at the NT.

So to answer he indeed does have a terrific attitude and he's grounded in the sense that he's very aware of his own shortcomings on the pitch and actively works on improving this. He has the hunger to become the best player in the world and has never been caught smoking/drinking or anything that could really harm his carreer.

 

[Adisa]

What is a grill?

 

[JohnnyLaw]

He needs proper managing.... it looks as if no one from the club has sat him down and watched his performances back.
Coaches should be pointing out how much time he thinks he has on the ball Vs how much time he actually has in the PL, showing him that when he loses the ball (more often than not) his lack of tracking back is not the way Man Utd wingers play. If they have done this, then they need to ask serious questions about his application. To be blunt, he's drastically underperformed this season. If Martial wasn't the unexpected godsend he currently is, Memphis would be getting a much tougher time. It's not like the pricetag is weighing him down, Martial is taking all that slack away from him too, it's literally almost the perfect time to be introduced to the club & in short, he's blowing it.
Yes yes... he has bags of talent, potential in abundance and is flying fit... BUT, he never fully utilises his upper body strength (see Martial for how it's executed perfectly) he never tracks back EVER (see Ashley Young for how it's executed perfectly) and more worrying than anything... he's becoming more and more like Nani in disguise.
He needs to be dropped for the Everton game and Young deserves a start ahead of him... problem is, this won't happen because LVG needs.. NEEDS to execute his full back substitution in every game (that's another rant for another thread!) and with the current injury list, Young is forced to play out of position.
Memphis was one of the players I was most excited about coming in this summer, but so far I'm totally, totally underwhelmed.

I'll agree that he's been underwhelming so far but if you're seriously claiming that he never ever uses his upper body strenght or tracks back the you really need to take your own advice and rewatch a few of his games because those two poitns that you just made are actually the least of his problems. Admittadly he didn't track back enough vs Arsenal but he's done it in every other game I've watched this season, if you disagree then you can just go back and watch the compilations. Couldn't watch the Sunderland game so I'll exclude that one.

 

[JohnnyLaw]

Nani wasn't relevant to this conversation seeing that I didn't mention him Mr Januzaj but as you bought him into it.......I didn't say Memphis last season at PSV was average, I just said he is average and as a premiership player that's what I think he is, average. But if you were to ask me I would swap Nani for Memphis right now. Memphis is consistently poor however frustrating or inconsistent people say Nani was, go check his assists and see how consistent he actually was. Even when having a bad game Nani would assist or could sometimes pull a goal out of nowhere, I don't feel like Memphis can do that, maybe im judging him to early but other than the champions league games hes been pretty useless. This isn't just bigging up Nani either because I actually think Memphis is about Stuart Downing level currently.

At which point though? Apart from his prime years where he was among the very best wingers in europe I'm very sceptical as to how true this is in general. And if that's that the standard that we're expecting from Memphis right now then we're always going to be disappointed. I'm not content with Memphis performances right now but I find your final argument that he doesn't affect games enough a really strange one to use against him when he's always getting into positions to score and affect the game. His main problem is that he's just not put those chances to bed. With a bit more quality he'd put two past Sunderland. Against Wolfsburg with a bit of luck he assists Mata or Mata doesn't fluff the pass when he's open in the penalty area, putting it behind him. He made the third against Southampton.

In terms of decision making and numbers produced he seems about similar to Nani in his first seasons with us, while Nani is and was a better player on the ball I'd argue that Memphis is a better player off it. The main issue though is that we didn't have to rely on Nani actually being a ready product as much as we do right now with Memphis.

Sorry to continue with the Nani vs Memphis discussions, I realise that you didn't start it.

 

[facund]

At which point though? Apart from his prime years where he was among the very best wingers in europe I'm very sceptical as to how true this is in general. And if that's that the standard that we're expecting from Memphis right now then we're always going to be disappointed.

I was and still am a Nani fan so rather than bore you with opinion will leave it largely to stats.

07-08
Playing 2203 minutes he contributed 3 goals and 11 assists (I had to exclude his three assists in domestic cups from this as I couldn't find his minutes played in those respective comps). This equates to a contribution every 157.4 minutes.

08-09
Playing 1408 minutes he contributed 6 goals and 4 assists. This equates to a contribution every 140.8 minutes.

09-10
Playing 2368 minutes he contributed 7 goals and 14 assists. This equates to a contribution every 112.8 minutes.

10-11
Playing 3676 minutes he contributed 10 goals and 21 assists. This equates to a contribution every 118.6 minutes.

11-12
Playing 2853 minutes he contributed 10 goals and 15 assists. This equates to a contribution every 114.1 minutes.

12-13
Playing 1338 minutes he contributed 3 goals and 7 assists. This equates to a contribution every 133.8 minutes.

13-14
Playing time is 740 minutes with 1 goal and no assists. A contribution every 740 minutes.

Across his United career it averages out at a contribution every 131 minutes or so.

Always reasonably productive but not always playing a lot, the reasons for which can be speculated upon. The only time he had a run of starts that compares to Memphis would have been as a result of injuries.

I don't actually think Memphis will be too far off Nani's early figures but he does seem to be in a rut of some sort at the minute and it is understandable how fans/critics get bogged down in that which is foremost in the memory. I'd rather not see him compared to Nani at all though as Nani polarizes opinion like very few can.

 

[iBoss]

So because he's got a pair of grills his attitude stinks... okay.

 

[.Rossi]

What is a grill?

Stupid French instructions

 

[JohnnyLaw]

I was and still am a Nani fan so rather than bore you with opinion will leave it largely to stats.

07-08
Playing 2203 minutes he contributed 3 goals and 11 assists (I had to exclude his three assists in domestic cups from this as I couldn't find his minutes played in those respective comps). This equates to a contribution every 157.4 minutes.

08-09
Playing 1408 minutes he contributed 6 goals and 4 assists. This equates to a contribution every 140.8 minutes.

09-10
Playing 2368 minutes he contributed 7 goals and 14 assists. This equates to a contribution every 112.8 minutes.

10-11
Playing 3676 minutes he contributed 10 goals and 21 assists. This equates to a contribution every 118.6 minutes.

11-12
Playing 2853 minutes he contributed 10 goals and 15 assists. This equates to a contribution every 114.1 minutes.

12-13
Playing 1338 minutes he contributed 3 goals and 7 assists. This equates to a contribution every 133.8 minutes.

13-14
Playing time is 740 minutes with 1 goal and no assists. A contribution every 740 minutes.

Across his United career it averages out at a contribution every 131 minutes or so.

Always reasonably productive but not always playing a lot, the reasons for which can be speculated upon. The only time he had a run of starts that compares to Memphis would have been as a result of injuries.

I don't actually think Memphis will be too far off Nani's early figures but he does seem to be in a rut of some sort at the minute and it is understandable how fans/critics get bogged down in that which is foremost in the memory. I'd rather not see him compared to Nani at all though as Nani polarizes opinion like very few can.

So far Memphis has 8 points from 924 minutes of game-time equal a contribution every 115,5 minutes which by your measurements would mean that he's been as consitent as Nani was at his best. So I don't think this is a good formula for measuring consistency.

 

[facund]

So far Memphis has 8 points from 924 minutes of game-time equal a contribution every 115,5 minutes which by your measurements would mean that he's been as consitent as Nani was at his best. So I don't think this is a good formula for measuring consistency.

Over such a limited period of time stats become less useful and I agree that analysing Memphis in this way so early is reasonably pointless. One game can have an exaggerated effect on results (take away Brugge 3-1 and Memphis is down 3 points but only 90 minutes) because of the small sample size. Over the course of a season and longer they can be a useful indicator of performance (by no means conclusive) and aberrations are somewhat levelled out.
If Memphis continues to play regularly and ends the season with a contribution every 115.5 minutes then I think we'll all be delighted.

I believe the point I responded to was a question of Nani's consistency, something which I feel the stats indicate was actually quite impressive for a winger (at least in terms of productivity).

 

[Trizy]

What is a grill?

 

[BAMSOLA]

So because he's got a pair of grills his attitude stinks... okay.

This is a very middle class forum don't you know?

 

[JPRouve]

Stupid French instructions

Since When?

 

[.Rossi]

Since When?

Simpsons reference mate

 

[JPRouve]

Simpsons reference mate

 

[Sam]

What a knobber.

I thought he had a terrific attitude and was grounded? I could have sworn I had read that prior to him signing this summer.

Having said that Karrueche Tran is ridiculously hot and if I had to dress like a knobber to get in there then I would literally wear a dick.

 

[Sandikan]

I'm afraid the key word is one that no football fan, let alone the type of people who write on forums, wants to hear...

patience.

 

[cesc's_mullet]

Because having a terrible taste in fashion equals having a bad attitude? He enjoys the rich lifestyle as he grew up in poverty but that can go hand-in-hand with being a professional, he has hired people on his own accord to limit his spending. He used to have some attitude problems when he was younger (pre-WC he sometimes showed off his money too much), but hasn't had problems since he got to work with van Gaal at the NT.

So to answer he indeed does have a terrific attitude and he's grounded in the sense that he's very aware of his own shortcomings on the pitch and actively works on improving this. He has the hunger to become the best player in the world and has never been caught smoking/drinking or anything that could really harm his carreer.

Sorry I've just read pages of complaints about him being extremely lazy and not putting in any effort to help teammates - which is why I asked.

 

[JPRouve]

Sorry I've just read pages of complaints about him being extremely lazy and not putting in any effort to help teammates - which is why I asked.

He seems exhausted, I think that he is badly struggling with the rhythm of the league, which is affecting is work rate and his decision making.

 

[JohnnyLaw]

Over such a limited period of time stats become less useful and I agree that analysing Memphis in this way so early is reasonably pointless. One game can have an exaggerated effect on results (take away Brugge 3-1 and Memphis is down 3 points but only 90 minutes) because of the small sample size. Over the course of a season and longer they can be a useful indicator of performance (by no means conclusive) and aberrations are somewhat levelled out.
If Memphis continues to play regularly and ends the season with a contribution every 115.5 minutes then I think we'll all be delighted.

I believe the point I responded to was a question of Nani's consistency, something which I feel the stats indicate was actually quite impressive for a winger (at least in terms of productivity).

I'm taking my stats from transfermarkt and it at times differ alot from yours, for example according to them he played around 600 minutes more in the 08-09 season with the same goal/assist stats. Only minor differences in other seasons though. Nani would have also benefited from playing in a team that alot more dominant than todays United. Featuring players such as prime Rooney, Scholes, Tevez, Ronaldo and Berbatov to assist and be supplied by. I can easily see Memphis doing better than Nani productivity wise when comparing their early seasons and therefore I think it's way premature and misleading to say that Nani had an ability to consistently produce and that Memphis lacks that same ability. It's not a fair comparison by any means.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

You don't score the type of gaols he does without been a very good player, he will come good I have no doubt at all. People just need to expect a little less than maybe they thought for the moment.

It's easy to forget that Ronaldo was very in and out for while before he really found his form, not saying Memphis will be this level, but he could certainly be just below it given time.

I really like the guy, attitude is spot on.

 

[Adisa]

That is ghastly.

 

[iKeano]

I'll agree that he's been underwhelming so far but if you're seriously claiming that he never ever uses his upper body strenght or tracks back the you really need to take your own advice and rewatch a few of his games because those two poitns that you just made are actually the least of his problems. Admittadly he didn't track back enough vs Arsenal but he's done it in every other game I've watched this season, if you disagree then you can just go back and watch the compilations. Couldn't watch the Sunderland game so I'll exclude that one.

I'm just stating my views by what I see from the Stretford end... Perfect example was when he got replaced with Young against Liverpool at half time, different attitude and application changed the game for us entirely
I don't think for a second he was a bad buy, but the kid needs managing and some direction...

 

[Red Dreams]

anyone think he was thrown at the deep end too early?

 

[DWelbz19]

Having said that Karrueche Tran is ridiculously hot and if I had to dress like a knobber to get in there then I would literally wear a dick.

She seems to have all sorts of dodgy baggage though. Memphis ought to get rid.

 

[Cypriot]

anyone think he was thrown at the deep end too early?

I was under the impression that he would be slowly introduced as a substitute and based on performances would start mostly in the cup games and maybe some lower team premier league fixtures. However after his first couple of performances he was very exciting and fully deserved to be in the starting line up in my opinion - his slump in form/work rate since then has been really disappointing.

 

[ants7]

Admits he's knackered . Obvious and I guess it's understandable.

 

[Drifter]

Early days .But i did expect to see something that makes him stand out.