You have a weird obsession with spouting shite about Barca.
Matthijs de Ligt / signs for Juventus, lowering their average age to 56
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You have a weird obsession with spouting shite about Barca.
I'm not sure I get the comparison between Maldini and De Ligt.
What ever wages PSG are offering, United should match, long term he will be great buy one way or another, either he stays for 10 years as probably the best cb in the world or he leaves 3 or 4 years down the line and we sell him at double the price we brought him for.
Wonder what wages he'd be on then if we matched that silly offer PSG put in?
Its difficult to know exactly what Mbappe is at wage-wise tbf. Especially if you want to compare with PL-salaries and how UK-media chooses to disclose them.
The closest to the truth I can get is that Mbappe is on a little bit over 20m EURO per year before income tax. That is pretty much 400k plus EURO per week and in GBP it would be slightly less than 400k per week.
The cost for PSG as a club is probably around at least 500k plus though, because France (like my Sweden) has a pay roll tax on the salary that is paid by the club as well. In Sweden this is 32 percent, I dont know what it is in France, but say its 20 percent. Then the total cost for Mbappe in wages for PSG would be 24m plus EURO per year. So @Enigma87 is basically right as I can figure it out.
Thats one of the most expensive contracts in Europe.
Aren't they supposedly offering 340k a week, considering his transfer price and the other options available of Koulibaly for over 100 million at nearly 30 years of age and Maguire who is a slight upgrade on smalling at around 75 million, long term it makes sense like how the Pogba deal has made sense when at time a lot of fans and media thought it was crazy.
It makes no sense offering a 19 year old 340k a week. As if the wage wasn't fecked enough with Sanchez, this would obliterate it.
He's 27 now so more like 35 years old really.
My bad, I thought he was 29 for some reason, but still Napoli holding out for some crazy fee like 110-120 million for him is crazy
If he's good enough then why not and considering the inflation of the transfer market and salaries as well year on year he would still be great buy over time.
He needs to be a beast for us before he has those sort of wages, that was there can be no grumble from other players. Imagine we offered him that amount and he didn't take to the prem in his first season, spent a lot of time on the bench due to struggling. It would just be ridiculous, all other young players who play week in week out would demand a huge bump
I think football leaks had it at 10 million Euros a year after tax. They also detailed loads of big demands he ade that were rejected.
I am not saying you are wrong morally and that it does not look bad. But from a financial perspective its completely logical to be fair. De Ligt is 19 and his asset value is already maybe 75-80m. If he does not flop or doesnt injure himself badly, that asset value will not depreciate. And on the other side you have the possibility that he will actually be worth much more in the future. So 340k a week is not that much really from a projected cost perspective.
Look at us and Pogba. We bought him back for like 90m from Juve. Now we are quoted to want 150-180m for us to sell. Even if we "just" got 150m for him from Real we would have made money on him including the wages we paid him when he was playing here.
Thats how PSG looks at De Ligt and they are not wrong.
Yep, thats what I have seen too. And in France thats 20m before tax I think. UK media always report the salaries from clubs perspectives though, which is before tax. So its wrong to compare Mbappes salary after tax in France too the numbers being used for PL-players and clubs. And then you have the payroll tax situation as well as I pointed out. EDIT So I think its fair to say that PSGs wagerelated costs for Mbappe is around 500k GBP per week if you are going to use a number to compare to PL-clubs.
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Mino Raiola met the sports director of #PSG Antero Henrique this morning in Paris. Both parties discussed at length on De Ligt's contractual desires. Ajax asks for 75M €! De Ligt must now make his choice.
If he goes to PSG, won't be able to convince anyone that it wasn't about the money. No that he should care. Millionaire at 19 must be nice.
If I was him I'd go to PSG - it's a short career with potential career ending injuries at any time - if you get the chance to be set-up for life at that age then you take it - he could be there for 5 years and still only be 24 years old - if he does well then he can move to Barcelona, etc. There is no down side for him moving to PSG right now.
There is also no guarantee that he will actually push on and become a world class player - he could easily just be a good player with potential who never actually really improves. It's still too early to know.
He would be able to convince me. I think he obviously wanted Barca first. But if Barcelona does not want to match PSGs (or ours) bid to Ajax, why should Ajax accept anything less? A transfer is a three-party deal. It seems to me that Barcelona did not want to match PSGs bid and it wasnt probably even close. We probably did, but today in a choice between us and PSG I dont think I can state that the choice was all about the money. Probably the opposite however sad that is.
And we won't pay cash?
Would you pay him the same wages that PSG are offering? I doubt it.
How don't know for sure who is offering how much ?
I dont think he is that under the whip. More likely that PSG outbid Barcelona towards Ajax with such an amount that Ajax only let him negotiate with PSG (And maybe us, which is sad in its own way).
Raiola pretty much picks where his players go from what I've been heard and it's always about the money.
If the offer is true it would be crazy not to take it. It is not like his career will go backward joining PSG. Ronaldinho joined PSG(without oil money) at 21, and switch to Barca at age 23.
It is his choice
He can go whenever he wants. I just that for someone who isn't after money, it would make more sense to play in strong league.If he wants to play against the best players and develop in a strong league, then he certainly shouldn't join PSG. On the other side, he will be champion every year and get a lot of cash.
How much United, PSG and Barcelona are offering to Ajax is another matter.
This is just speculation I know. But in the cases where Raiola has been pulling the strings seems to be the transfers where he has had a vested or even ownership interest in the player. Third-party ownership almost. Pogba for example, the transfers between United and Juve and then back are shady to say the least. De Ligt is an Ajax-product so thats not a case there. But its all speculation, I think PSG outbid Barcelona by far and Barca was not really an option for him when it came down to it because of Ajax. But thats just speculation. Might be wrong.
You didnt read what I wrote. And what you are saying I agree with sporting-wise. But how does that help if Ajax says that they are just selling to PSG or us because we outbid Barcelona by far? Its not another matter. Its directly relevant.It is his choice
If he wants to play against the best players and develop in a strong league, then he certainly shouldn't join PSG. On the other side, he will be champion every year and get a lot of cash.
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I don't think the PSG offer is as advanced as some are making out.
Raiola has only just met the sporting director today to discuss terms. I think this'll go a while yet with counter offers.
Raiola has only just met the sporting director today to discuss terms. I think this'll go a while yet with counter offers.
They get too much of a free pass for my liking because of Messi and Pep. It’s like a cult sometimes.
You have a weird obsession with spouting shite about Barca.
But yeah, I don’t have much good to say about them, this “more than a club” bullshit rubs me the wrong way, especially when they are “exactly like every other club”.
Google is ambiguous on this, but apparently high earners pay 75% tax in France.
Fact of fiction?
Fact of fiction?
I'd imagine he's getting paid directly into some off shore account that dodges tax anyway.
I hate PSG with a passion and would celebrate the day when they dissolve into the shitty small-time club they've always been prior to becoming an Arab project.
The meltdown here after a few random rumours is incredible. The kid hasn't signed anywhere and doesn't have anything to do with United in the first place!
Plenty of footballers threatened to leave the league in 2013...
Also, I'm convinced footballers pay tax in their country of residence.
If you factor in payroll tax its most likely true. They have the same system as we have in Sweden. The tax on income of employment in total is not comparable to the UK, which is why you should be very careful with comparing "salaries" in France (and the EU in general) with the UK. I dont like PSG but one reason that they have to pay giga-money in wages is because of the taxes on labour in France. This is often overlooked.
Ligue 1 is a misstep. Because it is a weak league, only flashy players like forwards can maintain their rep despite playing there. A defender's work could well go under the radar and De Ligt's stock could drop. Furthermore, he will probably have only a handful of CL games where he will have to showcase his worth and that could lead to lapses.
Always knew Raiola was using us and he was never coming to United, but he could have either stayed at Ajax or joined Barca to compete for his place.
Always knew Raiola was using us and he was never coming to United, but he could have either stayed at Ajax or joined Barca to compete for his place.
Myth. Not true.
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