De Ligt is like Maguire, has the odd standout game, but has huge flaws and lacks consistency.
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Season Average Rating
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- Clean sheets
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- Goals
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- Assists
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- Yellow cards
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De Ligt is like Maguire, has the odd standout game, but has huge flaws and lacks consistency.
The crime was paying big money and wages for De Ligt when we already had a better player in his position.
It wasn’t big money though was it, and Maguire isn’t even better than him.
Remember posting some comments from Dutch players of the past re De Ligts move to us, and they were less than glowing. There’s a reason he’s not made it at Juve or Bayern, and I think we can see those reasons. I said at the time that he’s very Maguire esque, except I’d say Maguire has the experience and is a bit more solid physically. He perhaps has some areas where he shades it over Maguire, but I’d say it’s extremely debatable that he’s any better than him for me. Maguire has been our best CB for the last year, better than Licha and Varane last season, and I think our best so far this also.
I think Maguire is being looked at as having a mini surge for us because he was so poor for a couple of years before that. He’s no better than he was, he still makes mistakes like he always has, is still as slow turning as he always was and still tries to push up and nick the ball constantly, failing most of the time and leaving the other defenders in the muck because of it. There’s a reason we were trying to offload him.
I do agree that DeLigt hasn’t set the world alight and they are similar players but people saying Maguire has been our best defender and where would we be without him are just ignoring the same issues he’s always had. He’s been the constant CB in the squad (along with the even worse Lindelof) through out one of the worst periods in our history.
If Maguire is our best CB no wonder we concede so many.
Seen much of Heaven?
100 million in transfer fees and salary
I'd say 100% they haven't
How much has Maguire cost us?
Good God. Are people advocating starting Heaven over de Ligt?? On the basis of what, ffs? I really like De Ligt, great attitude, think he'll be a proper leader for us once we settle into this system a bit.
Would like to see him in the centre of the three defenders more often but I can't help but feel we have the same problem we have with Maguire in that they're both good defenders but are too slow and not quick enough with their passing to really help the system.
Silly money for a squad player
I'd say 100% they haven't
yep, that's where my money would be as well.He’s a good player, I think he should start over
Maguire, but yeah it’s a ridiculous amount and should never have been sanctioned
No idea why this thread is trending with posts claiming he's not that good, typical caf
It's a bit concerning to me that he seems to have conned Amorim into thinking he's a good passer, when he's good at exactly one pass and terrible at all others.
De Ligt looks pretty limited in his passing though, so what are we to do?
I don't think Yoro or Maguire are any better to be honest.
Don’t waste your time. That poster has been on the Maguire bandwagon since forever.
Fair play to Harry, he’s won a ton of my respect and I’m happy we extended for a year/keep him around because he’s a great professional, but there’s no point in debating Harry maguire with that poster.
How much was Maguire?
Agreed. I don't see any great solutions. I'd play Maguire, Yoro (left) and De Ligt on the right this season because I do think the Maguire - De Ligt combo works well defensively. A lot of these issues would be mitigated if we had a central midfielder comfortable dictating play from deep. If we were to acquire that player then I think you play De Ligt in the centre and bench Maguire, because De Ligt is a lot more capable carrying the ball at his feet than Maguire, and much more mobile. Once we ask that central CB to be a player that can step forward into space created by a deep lying CM (versus asking our CBs to do a Pirlo impression), I think De Ligt's ambitionless passing becomes less of a detractor.
I think both deserve to start.
It was and he is. The only people that can't see it are the ones that jumped on the De Ligt bandwagon in the summer hoping Maguire was done and don't like to admit they were wrong on the internet.
There's some very weird agendas out there.
Hmm I think there’s something there with Yoro. He might not have the range (Maguire wins here) but he’s good playing between the lines, he zips it around nicely and looks the most comfortable on the ball for me. He’s getting better each game and I think with the confidence growing he’s showing more and more each week.
We really need to work on settling him into that centre spot. Maguire's recovery has been commendable but he is still so ponderous and plays on the back foot. We need to move away from that as soon as possible.
He's in more positions to do this as he's often playing on the left or right side of the CB. MDL is the only player we have who has played in the middle and then occassionally on either side, not least because he's very adaptable.
What we also forget is MDL is having his first season in a new league with a car crash of a team that was once a back 2, and is now a back 3 where there's musical chairs happening all around him. Despite all of that he's averaging 7/10 performances this season. I think he's been a good signing and will probably go on to be a very good one.
De Light has been very good so far. I dont know why people claim Maguire is better than him.
is it just a quiet saturday so people come on to randomly bash a player whos been quite good for us. His performance at arsenal was probably the best from any player this season, and I think we lack a leader without him at the back. Of all things in this infuriating system, maguire and de ligt in a back three isnt a problem. Both are good at it. As a team we make far too many stupid mistakes and cant keep clean sheets but im happy that our defensive options plus one martinez replacement (As hes always injured) would be good enough next season.
He starts almost every game.
Agreed.
It baffles me that people are on at him. He’s been largely very solid and I would say our best defender over the course of the season so far. Like I’ve said for like 3-4 years now, it’s so hard to judge our defenders because they get exposed massively due to our inability to field a working midfield. Players like De Ligt, Maguire and Licha haven’t been used to this level of defending 1v1, 2v2 or sometimes even 3-4v2! When we look more solid as a team it’s no surprise that these players look like class acts
“Very good” by what standards? I certainly wouldn’t go that far. He’s been about average in line with performances of others in my opinion.
Only about 2 people actually think Maguire has been better. For me, they've both been pretty underwhelming. De Ligt has generally been solid enough, and Maguire has been the same bang average player he's always been. Neither look overly convincing.
I think that’s just what he is, a 7/10 most weeks with limitations. I see ask the issues that he’s had previously, lapses in concentration, getting drawn out of position, not the quickest, wants a lot of time in the build up phase but makes errors under pressure. For the most part he’s solid, but he’s not somebody I’d trust entirely if I were a coach. Not saying Maguire is either, I think the composition of that back 3 could be a lot better and I expect it’ll change a lot over the next few years. There’s CBs at teams like Forest who are better than what we’ve got.
Maguire was probably our best CB last season and I’d say has been one of the best this season. I think Martinez has been the weakest, Maguire has been the most dominant at times. All have their issues though, so it’s not a high bar we’re talking about here.
Yeah, "best defender" last season is fecking hilarious. We were absolutely shite in defence all of last season, so our "best defender" by absolute default was still fecking terrible. Hojlund was also "our best striker" last season. Maguire should have been binned years ago.
I dont think hes actually had any more major errors in concentration lapses or being drawn out, laborious play or focus than anyone else. From what I've seen he's the best performing CB for us all things considered (Maguire has been good but he's basically sticking to his strengths in the middle and never once in compromised positions because of that).
For the fee we paid, at 25 years of age that's very good bang for buck.
Still our best defender. Why would we bin him when we have/had worse CBs? Lindelof, Evans, Varane (last season - rightly binned). Maguire will only be 'binned' when there is better players to take his place. He's nowhere near an issue right now, and would be decent backup in a back 3. It's not his fault we keep signing average CBs and none can really force him out.
I did say he's about average, which isn't good when you look at the CBs we have. Far off what is required. He has those issues I mentioned, I notice them in games, but he hasn't really been punished as of yet like he was at Juve at times, and Bayern. Probably helps to an extent being in a back 3 for that reason. I'm not declaring any of them to be great, I think they're a solid set of options and probably the least of our worries right now (apart from ball progression, which they are struggling with). But they still aren't great, and I don't think he's really any better than Maguire or Martinez, just another defender of a similar level that doesn't dominate, can be got at, has frailties, average at distribution, a bit cumbersome and slow, but is fairly steady for the rest of it.