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To be fair Ashworth and our scouting team were against this as per papers at that time but Ineos still went for it to keep TenHag happy as he really wanted this transfer.

Wondering how much we can get if we try to offload him in this summer.

Having said he gives everything and the way he played with blood pouring from his head will stuck in my head forever....I really wish other players got half heart as him, its a pity his style doesn't suit to premiere league

Papers have been saying it was Ineos not in favour of this signing and Ashworth wanted him as he wanted to back ETH.

I think everyone wants to wash their hands of some of these signings already. I find it difficult to believe this doesn’t have ETHs fingerprints all over it given their connection and our transfer dealings under him.

The only saving grace is that we were signing these guys whilst the structure and things were still put in place, so I’d like to think with more time and preparation we wouldn’t make these mistakes.
 
I spent entire summer arguing with people here that we aren't getting good value considering Bayern was happy to let him go, and we needed someone that will actually improve the defence, not another Maguire but this time from Holland. I was attacked from different people that it's my hatred towards Ten Hag and his Dutch signings.
I thought he'd be amazing for you as well.

Think him also being average at United has made me give up
 
I posted this when he signed for us, along with my reservations based on why he failed at Bayern and Juve.

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And I remember posters slating Scholes for suggesting he isn’t much better than what we have. He’s been a downgrade on Varane, and he’s not better than Lisandro or Maguire either. Tuchel dropped him because he was too ponderous on the ball and not quick enough for the high line. There’s reasons he was sold by Juve then Bayern, but us being the suckers we are stepped right in to take him off their hands.
There are very few players that wouldn't be a downgrade on a fit Varane, Looks slightly better than Maguire for me, his availability puts hm ahead of Lisandro, much as we all love him, he's no good in the treatment room.

I think De Ligt is one of those players that looks great in a winning, functional team, but when you need someone to lift the levels he's not your guy.
 
I thought he'd be amazing for you as well.

Think him also being average at United has made me give up

But he wasn't amazing for any club that he played, apart from Ajax maybe but then I haven't seen him much at Ajax.
 
But he wasn't amazing for any club that he played, apart from Ajax maybe but then I haven't seen him much at Ajax.
Yeah, that's what I meant with him building a reputation on 1 amazing season.

That 1 Ajax season he was fantastic. Though his first year at Bayern where he made the team of the season he was also very good.
 
He's so painfully average, and it was obvious before we signed him. We're a terribly run football club.
I believe he was an Ashworth signing, a gift to ETH apparently.

He's okay in the centre and on the right, but he cannot play left centre back.

His on the ball ability no good.
 
Yeah, that's what I meant with him building a reputation on 1 amazing season.

That 1 Ajax season he was fantastic. Though his first year at Bayern where he made the team of the season he was also very good.
Even that season, he was clearly overrated due to his name and his likeable character. He’s nothing special. Never been since that season for Ajax.
 
But he wasn't amazing for any club that he played, apart from Ajax maybe but then I haven't seen him much at Ajax.
Yeah that’s just not true. Unless your barometer is so high you were expecting a 21 yr old to be at 28 yr old Vidic,Rio level. Reminder he is still only 25.

He had spells at Juventus where he was very good same as at Bayern. Juve didn’t want to sell him, then he asked to leave Bayern. I really don’t get why this season there has been any questions against him. Easily been our best CB.
 
Yeah that’s just not true. Unless your barometer is so high you were expecting a 21 yr old to be at 28 yr old Vidic,Rio level. Reminder he is still only 25.

He had spells at Juventus where he was very good same as at Bayern. Juve didn’t want to sell him, then he asked to leave Bayern. I really don’t get why this season there has been any questions against him. Easily been our best CB.
He wasn’t very good for us, as many of our fans told you before he joined. We were happy to sell him.
 
Yeah that’s just not true. Unless your barometer is so high you were expecting a 21 yr old to be at 28 yr old Vidic,Rio level. Reminder he is still only 25.

He had spells at Juventus where he was very good same as at Bayern. Juve didn’t want to sell him, then he asked to leave Bayern. I really don’t get why this season there has been any questions against him. Easily been our best CB.

Well, we don't have anything to discuss here if you think there is nothing questionable this season against him.

Magurie had good spells, even good and excellent seasons, but he is still absolutely average defender who should be nowhere near top team. Maguire was also probably better internationally than him too.
 
Well, we don't have anything to discuss here if you think there is nothing questionable this season against him.

Magurie had good spells, even good and excellent seasons, but he is still absolutely average defender who should be nowhere near top team. Maguire was also probably better internationally than him too.

Maguire never had anything close to an "excellent" season, unless standards are on the floor. Both are nowhere near good enough. I think we could recoup decent money on MDL, and we should probably go that route this summer. The last thing we need is to hoard average players, like we did with Maguire, while their reputation and value plummets.
 
Didn't watch the game but looking at comments and he's probably not a good fit next to Maguire. De Ligt is more of a CCB so ideally either him or Maguire start there, with someone like Yoro on the right and left-footed player on left.
 
He wasn’t very good for us, as many of our fans told you before he joined. We were happy to sell him.
There were also many that said we got a steal off of you and that they didn’t want him to leave. You’re the first Bayern fan I’ve ever spoken to that says you were happy for him to leave where as I’ve seen more that thought he was your best CB and didn’t understand why you were selling him.
Well, we don't have anything to discuss here if you think there is nothing questionable this season against him.

Magurie had good spells, even good and excellent seasons, but he is still absolutely average defender who should be nowhere near top team. Maguire was also probably better internationally than him too.
Ok there have been 1 or 2 things he I felt could have done better with but no more than any other defender in the league, I was more meaning on a broader spectrum, as in since Souness said those things about him that there seems to have been some sort of belief that he is a no use clogger.

When for most of the first part of the season he was pretty good, and as I said our best CB.

Do I think he is the guy to build our defence around probably not, but he’s 25, probably 3 years till he peaks, he’s vastly experienced and we aren’t in any position to drop 70-80 mil on an experienced top level CB.

We will however undoubtedly buy youthful and as Yoro needs experience alongside him and people we are probably looking at for the position are young. Silva, Diomande, Lukeba, Huijsen, Inacio, Arujo and Branthwaite .

I think Inacio is the oldest there at 23. And it’s unlikely we are dropping 70 mil on Branthwaite or the 75 mil for Lukeba

Then the DeLigt signing makes more sense.

When he plays alongside Yoro you see him talking him through games, celebrating with him when he does good and picking him up when he is has made a mistake, which is more than Maguire does so surely on that alone DeLigt is the player we should be keeping especially in line with the majority of his performances.
 
Do I think he is the guy to build our defence around probably not, but he’s 25, probably 3 years till he peaks
There’s no guarantee of that, at all. He started his professional career younger than most top tier CBs do so it could very much be he has peaked. Given that his level has been in steady decline since leaving Ajax you can even argue he has already peaked anyway.
When for most of the first part of the season he was pretty good, and as I said our best CB.
I’d say Mazraoui has had just as many good (and poor) games as De Ligt from CB. Certainly nothing about him to suggest he has been comfortably our best defender.
 
Even that season, he was clearly overrated due to his name and his likeable character. He’s nothing special. Never been since that season for Ajax.
Ah really? I admit I didnt follow him that closely.
 
He also made mistakes at Ajax. He was rightly hyped up playing in a team doing so well in the champions league while so young, but people were talking about him like he'd be a Van Dyke solution to any defence. He was a young player doing well but as you'd expect from a young player there were times when he didnt look very good. I see the same thing at United and he's 25 now and now he doesnt have the excuse he had then.

He looks very unsure and shows some terrible habits for a CB at times. One that does my head in that ive seen a few times is when a player is running the ball towards him and instead of jockeying and looking for the right moment to try and win the ball, he shows his back to the attacker and runs in front of him like hes going to somehow know the right direction to go and block without looking. Other players occasionally do it too and im equally upset by it. But De Ligt has also made some nice clearances at times this season and he had that spell at the end of the cup game with Arsenal iirc, where he had 10 mins of dominance. One moment where you see him being unsure from our most recent match was the 2nd goal for Everton. The ball is played out to Lindstrom and de Ligt first wants to push up and be aggressive. Then he decides its too far and drops off a bit. In the end he does neither make a challenge to the player with the ball nor position himself to make the ball in behind him difficult. He makes it easy to play that pass in behind the defence that then causes problems to our backline and Everton are able to break with plenty getting forward and us being 1 CB less

 
Ah really? I admit I didnt follow him that closely.
He wasn’t bad by any means. Just not especially good and warranting of an inclusion in the team of the season.
 
He will probably have a decent but unspectacular career here and be moved on to Dortmund or Atletico in a couple of years
 
I'd have him over Maguire in the middle and have better ball players either side. Maz and Yoro

The ball progression from the back 3 has been woeful
 
I dont get anyone who will say they prefer to keep Maguire over De Ligt if for any reason we have to ship one of em out.

MdL has been here for about 6 months vs Harry coming up on what? 6 years? And in the same 6 years he hasn't been nearly as consistent on a percentage basis as this dude has. Dude also just turned 25 vs Harry's 31. If Harry was *that* much better - maybe - but he s not. Not in my opinion anyway.
 
I'd have him over Maguire in the middle and have better ball players either side. Maz and Yoro

The ball progression from the back 3 has been woeful
Not as worried about this, Martinez has excellent forward passing ability. I’m more concerned about our defenders often looking completely lost around the box, Maguire being one of the worst culprits lately. And I have to say, unfortunately, that seems to be as bad as ever post-Amorim appt
 
Bad signing for the fee and wages. Doesn't suit the new system. Obviously it's unclear if that will be the long-term situation here, since we don't know if Amorim will get enough results next year to keep his job.

I think he'll be our new Lindelof, without the annoying moments of softness, which I guess is still an upgrade as long as we sign a central CB or Yoro fits there, and Licha comes back. Mazroaui is good at RCB, and if we end up in a back 4 we might look okay with Dorgu-Licha-Yoro/DeLigt-Mazroaui-Dalot and I guess looking at it you'd like to see a left-footed defender emerge from the youth ranks or be bought.

It's just the money of it all is terrible.
 
I’d probably cut a few of these new signings some slack. Formation change, everyone seems to be confused/struggling, partners are changing on a game by game basis (not to mention their positions as well)….theyre all basically struggling. I’ve been very harsh on Zirkzee as well but that’s probably because he’s misplacing simple 5 yard passes and just the general frustration with a non existent attack.

All that being said, he’s not living up to expectations yeah, and as many have mentioned he needs to improve drastically or he’ll end just being another mistake.
 
Least of our issues, long term CCB and can do a decent job as a wide CB. Should be first choice CCB going into next season with a partner at LCB who is more mobile and an expansive passer.
 
I like him. He was the right price, he's an experienced young defender who I'd build a defence around. We're not going to do better right now. Youth is youth until it's good, and world class experienced is expensive and we've bigger issues.
 
I dont get anyone who will say they prefer to keep Maguire over De Ligt if for any reason we have to ship one of em out.

MdL has been here for about 6 months vs Harry coming up on what? 6 years? And in the same 6 years he hasn't been nearly as consistent on a percentage basis as this dude has. Dude also just turned 25 vs Harry's 31. If Harry was *that* much better - maybe - but he s not. Not in my opinion anyway.
You've really phrased this as a race to the bottom. The difference between them at this stage is there's hope De Ligt has better to come and Maguire does not, but at this moment in time, the difference between them is negligible and that's not a good thing, given how bad they have been and how poor our defensive unit is with them in it.

In an ideal world, you get rid of both and start again, but in our complete mess of a situation, we have to hope that De Ligt can become something better than he's shown and that Maguire can become a consistent 6/10 over a constantly erratic performer.

As someone who was underwhelmed with De Ligt when we were linked to him, I'm objectively looking at this through a more negative lens, trying not to have confirmation bias do its job of clouding my outlook, but at the same time, the decidely average to the downright abject has been seen in abundance over good performances and we have to hope for a massive turnaround for this guy to be a starter in a team that's going places that don't point toward the Championship. He certainly hasn't come in and made us better, that is for sure, and that should be the bear minimum expectation for any touted name on top class wages.

Hope is the thread. And I hope he turns it around, otherwise we've replaced one calamity with a version 2.0 with less distribution ability, which really would be quite something in our illustrious litany of errors.
 
It might be a hunch but I do think there is a top CB in him somewhere. Once he gets his feet I feel he can be a leader at this club.

He has to stay away from RCB/LCB in this formation though.
 
We love to complain when our players are not good but not bad.

Globally, there are about 5-10 players in the team that are more a concern than him in terms of performances (Onana-Dalot-Shaw-Maguire-Mount-Casemiro-Hojlund-Garnacho)

Yes, he's not prime Vidic, but he's still better than Maguire, Lindelof and Evans, and his a valuable option there, especially since Licha is off.

Now the concern is about the progression and improvement, that i don't really see, but can we really blame him for not being the one raising the bar to the top when the whole boat is sinking ?

Not really. We love to moan, but we should look other before him
 
We love to complain when our players are not good but not bad.

Globally, there are about 5-10 players in the team that are more a concern than him in terms of performances (Onana-Dalot-Shaw-Maguire-Mount-Casemiro-Hojlund-Garnacho)

Yes, he's not prime Vidic, but he's still better than Maguire, Lindelof and Evans, and his a valuable option there, especially since Licha is off.

Now the concern is about the progression and improvement, that i don't really see, but can we really blame him for not being the one raising the bar to the top when the whole boat is sinking ?

Not really. We love to moan, but we should look other before him
Observation is not moaning. Individually and collectively, this team can be assessed for what it is, and we are in no position financially to carry expensive players who do not perform like expensive players. That goes for anyone, not just De Ligt. He is here as a marquee player more than a run of the mill squad member and he is assessed in line with that, as he should be.
 
It might be a hunch but I do think there is a top CB in him somewhere. Once he gets his feet I feel he can be a leader at this club.

He has to stay away from RCB/LCB in this formation though.
Deep line, he's likely great. High line in a wide CB role, he is risky I feel. Central he is ok in a 3.

If Amorim is here next season and we are wedded to the back 3, he should start central. Yoro left + a new fast CB on his right.
 
You've really phrased this as a race to the bottom. The difference between them at this stage is there's hope De Ligt has better to come and Maguire does not, but at this moment in time, the difference between them is negligible and that's not a good thing, given how bad they have been and how poor our defensive unit is with them in it.

In an ideal world, you get rid of both and start again, but in our complete mess of a situation, we have to hope that De Ligt can become something better than he's shown and that Maguire can become a consistent 6/10 over a constantly erratic performer.

As someone who was underwhelmed with De Ligt when we were linked to him, I'm objectively looking at this through a more negative lens, trying not to have confirmation bias do its job of clouding my outlook, but at the same time, the decidely average to the downright abject has been seen in abundance over good performances and we have to hope for a massive turnaround for this guy to be a starter in a team that's going places that don't point toward the Championship. He certainly hasn't come in and made us better, that is for sure, and that should be the bear minimum expectation for any touted name on top class wages.

Hope is the thread. And I hope he turns it around, otherwise we've replaced one calamity with a version 2.0 with less distribution ability, which really would be quite something in our illustrious litany of errors.

This is spot on.
 
We may sign a fast LCB and one of Yoro/Maz can play as RCB so MDL could play in the middle of the 3-Defenders.

I guess he looks OK next to someone like Martinez and Maz but other problem is our wing backs like Dalot giving away so much space and staying on backfoot making it so difficult for our back-3, hope with a proper right side wing back we could see a better Deligt next year.

Do you accept an offer around 30M for MDL and replace him with someone much quicker ?
 
I'm okay for him to stay. Maguire will leave next year and we need him in the middle. We still need a wide left CB who can cover channels . Branthwaite would be a good fit i guess.
 
There are very few players that wouldn't be a downgrade on a fit Varane, Looks slightly better than Maguire for me, his availability puts hm ahead of Lisandro, much as we all love him, he's no good in the treatment room.

I think De Ligt is one of those players that looks great in a winning, functional team, but when you need someone to lift the levels he's not your guy.
And Varane wasn't even THAT good for us, either. Says it all.
 
I think he'll get time. When you look at the CBs we've signed theyve all had plenty of that before moving on.

I think he's been the same level as Maguire overall this season and worse than Lisandro. Considering Maguire has also been dissappointing its not great, but its true that de Ligt is 25 with a long contract and Maguire is over 30 and at the end of his. Of course he's going to stay and Maguire is going to leave

While I also have concerns with Yoro's 1 vs 1 defending I have more faith that in a year he'll be playing well for us as I see more potential in him. Lisandro will hopefully be back from injury and then its a question of whether we'll sign a new first choice in the summer and how much money will be spent on that. I don't think it'll cost £50 million to improve on de Ligt and Maguire's performances this season, more like £20-25 million
 
Man Utd 3:2 Ipswich New
That was a bit more like it, although should perhaps have done better on the second goal. Otherwise, pretty decent performance.
 
Thought he was very good and loved the leadership he showed to remove Zirkzee (who was on a yellow) from that fracas near the end.