He is that good and is far from being just your 'typical athlete'. He's an intelligent, classy, beast of a defender. Him not getting in the french team is more a representation of the club he plays for rather than the level he's at.
Mats Hummels
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Recycled rumours on SSN. I think LvG is really keen on him.
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Why wouldn't he be?
Is he better then Vermaelen though?
Better injury record, but not a better player.
Hummels not better than Vermaelen? You're having a laugh.
Hummels is a world champion and Germany's best defender at the moment.
Hummels is a world champion and Germany's best defender at the moment.
I think the 20M rumours would be much more plausible if Kagawa was part of the deal. One things for sure, we'll have to pay way over the odds to bring him to Old Trafford.
Are you kidding? Hummels is on a different planet, defensively or on the ball.
I'm guessing incredible amount of sarcasm attached?
Dortmund replacing one of the best defenders in the world, Hummels, by some unproven 21 year old and selling Hummels for 20M only. Sounds totally legit. I am more than willing to float along this happening once we sign Vidal.
I'm desperately hoping this is a WUM. Vermaelen isn't just injury prone, he's also shite.
Wooooosh!
Hummels is a long long way off from the world's best CB he's a brilliant player, yes. But people need to reign in their hype for this guy and realise 20-25m is about the right price.
He hasn't exactly had the most amazing last couple of seasons With Dortmund leaking goals at the back being a big part of their recent slump and having to push hard to get closer to Bayern and yet still finishing 17 points behind them.
He's a ball playing CB his skills lie in anticipation and distribution, his defensive qualities don't quite match up with the likes of Kompany, Silva or even Verane. Now I personally would love him at United, I think we need a player like him, smart, organised and technically gifted at the back. Beforehand Ferdinand was that player for us with bags of experience. He's my dream CB signing to bring more assurances at the back.
He'll almost certainly leave Dortmund at some point and I think right now would be the wisest time to sell him from Dortmund point of view. Off the back of winning the WC his value will be at its upmost peak. Having said that they will be lucky to break 30m and I think it would only happen if a bidding war ensued.
Yes we all think Dortmund are this unflappable team and when they say they aren't selling (which they haven't so far) they really mean it. If anything I'd take a more financially stable clubs word over Dortmunds crazy yet brilliant managers.
For me this is as nailed on as Vidal.
He hasn't exactly had the most amazing last couple of seasons With Dortmund leaking goals at the back being a big part of their recent slump and having to push hard to get closer to Bayern and yet still finishing 17 points behind them.
He's a ball playing CB his skills lie in anticipation and distribution, his defensive qualities don't quite match up with the likes of Kompany, Silva or even Verane. Now I personally would love him at United, I think we need a player like him, smart, organised and technically gifted at the back. Beforehand Ferdinand was that player for us with bags of experience. He's my dream CB signing to bring more assurances at the back.
He'll almost certainly leave Dortmund at some point and I think right now would be the wisest time to sell him from Dortmund point of view. Off the back of winning the WC his value will be at its upmost peak. Having said that they will be lucky to break 30m and I think it would only happen if a bidding war ensued.
Yes we all think Dortmund are this unflappable team and when they say they aren't selling (which they haven't so far) they really mean it. If anything I'd take a more financially stable clubs word over Dortmunds crazy yet brilliant managers.
For me this is as nailed on as Vidal.
Of course!
Is Hummels better than Pique?
"What's that? A garden path? And you want me to follow you up it? Can't see why not. But let's drop some breadcrumbs on the ground so we can find our way back."
Of course.
So no chance then.
Wasn't aware that both play volleyball.
Hummels is definitely a better volleyball player than Vermaelen.
attached in a file. too big to transfer though.
Last season pretty much all of Dortmund's defence (including Hummels) were injured for long stretches of the season. They leaked goals but I wouldn't read too much into that. My biggest worry about him is his lack of pace and mobility outside of the box. Could be a problem if we persisted in a high line that has been present during pre-season.
But he's not going anywhere.
Hummels is not moving this summer and certainly not for less than 30m. I don't know why everyone ignores everything he and the club says. I'm pretty sure you've been crying about Vidal not clearing his future up for the benefit of the muppets, and then Hummels does it and its ignored.
And why hasn't Reus signed yet?
Probably just as likely as getting Varane who for me is the better option....
a long way off??... agreed but only because silva is by far the best.
after that I see kompany, Hummles and Ramos as the best out there
Beneita, Varane, and Subotic a bit behind but there is hardly anything in it.
and all of them would cost a lot more than £20-£25m
Nah I'd say getting Hummels is easier. Real Madrid aren't going to sell arguably they're biggest prospect. Dortmund are a selling club, we can't just pick Real Madrid players we like and buy them, only Real do that.
They'd just use the cash to buy hummels tho.....everyone wins!
Oh boy, if @Sphaero reads this, you're in trouble mate.
Hummels' pace isn't much of an issue at all, really. If a slug like Mertesacker can look capable in the league, what do you think of Hummels- a quicker, far more intelligent and technically capable player? He also looked very good in Germany's high-line, he was only caught out once or twice against Argentina, but that was against Messi so it's hardly a bad thing.
Ramos is dirt.
Indeed, its not all about pace and power! LVG said he needs to train the players brains, something we seem to lack in coaching in England
Me as well.
If something might help, why can't we send one of our own youngsters to have a loan spell in Dortmund along with the money for Hummels and give them a priority position to buy that youngster a year later depending of where the youngster fits in LVG's plans?
Well, we all know that Hummels had his shit on Varane not so long ago.
be fair. Compared to the famous Verane, any CB looks like an amateur.
Yeah except I didn't say that, I said there are more financially stable clubs.
Hummels is most certainly one of the best CB's in the world, how you can manage to claim he isn't on the same level as Varane despite having achieved 5x as much is beyond me. He's not even close to his prime and in a market were Luiz costs 50m Marquinho's 32m and Shaw 30m you're out of mind to think Dortmund would allow him to leave for 20-25m.
Dortmund don't have a squad which can handle a large amount of injuries, half of the defence was out last season and it's no reflection on Hummels whose been a huge part of the Dortmund side which won back to back championships made a CL final and a few German cups, you can't cite the last few years as an example of him being poor and ignore the hugely successful seasons.
Defenders who play in a progressive side like Dortmund/Barca/Bayern/Arsenal are always left more exposed since the systems require defenders to play with a much higher line and often 1v1 vs attackers. Look at what happened to John Terry when AVB tried to play him in a high line, he was a laughing stock. If you want defenders who sit on the 18 yard line and win headers/make clearances then fine but you can forget about playing a high press or dominating the ball vs Europes elite like all of the previously mentioned sides can do.
Nobody thinks Dortmund are unflappable, quite the opposite as far as major european clubs good in that they aren't in a financial position to turn down massive offers for stars players and can't offer them the wages available at other major clubs.
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