I believe City signed Mangala.
We have an open run at Hummels, perhaps woodie should bid 40M to test the waters?
Mats Hummels
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I believe City signed Mangala.
We have an open run at Hummels, perhaps woodie should bid 40M to test the waters?
yeah agreed that's what I meant by throwing 30mil at a CB - Mangala. Dont know too much about him in terms of watching him play, but Im sure he doesnt have a bigger rep than Hummels.
Mangala is a beast but unproven, also he is nowhere near Hummels league.
You'll be shocked to see just how wrong this statement is once the season gets underway.
He really isn't that good. I've watched him for Porto and he is your typical Athlete, but he is a bit dumb.
The fact he couldn't get in the French team ahead of Sakho, who is pretty wank tells a lot.
Yes, the contract situation lowered the price, but we sold him at the top of his form and would get him back at a low point. To put it bluntly, Kagawa is a shadow of his former self and this is also down to himself. There is no telling if he ever reaches his top form again.
The 4-1-4-1 has become a viable option for us and is basically the offensive counterpart to the 4-3-3 we began to play in the CL in 2012. Both these formations are situational, though, and only played against specific opposition. The core system is still the 4-2-3-1 and this won´t change in the future according to Klopp himself.
We have no shortage in terms of goal scorers. We have four offensive midfielders (Reus, Mkhitaryan, Aubameyang, Kuba) with enough goal threat to score at least 10+ goals per league season and assist around the same amount. Reus won´t leave this summer. We brought in another one with Ji, who is very highly rated by Klopp. Furthermore we replaced Lewandowski with a clear cut finisher and a target man similar to the Pole (albeit with less quality outside heading).
If anything we gained goal threat in this window.
None of them could fill the void Hummels would leave behind right now. While some people overrate Kagawa´s former influence at Dortmund, others also underrate Hummels in that regard. He is on and besides the pitch our most important player. Period.
There is also no one on the transfer market right now who could outright replace him no matter how much money we invest. The only chance to compensate a potential departure of him in the future is to develop someone towards that role. This is the whole idea behind the Ginter transfer. Ginter is a similar player type and has enough potential to become as good as Hummels one day but he is not there yet.
As long as we don´t have someone ready to take over Hummels´ role in the team, we won´t sell him out of our own will. Dangling a player in a well stocked area in front of our nose won´t change that. If Hummels leaves in the forseeable future, it will be because he really wants to leave and not because we want to sell. The only scenario of Hummels leaving right now would be if he forces himself out of his contract. They are absolutely no indications for that, though and Hummels would take a massive hit in terms of reputation (something that was always important to him) to do it now four weeks before the season starts. Based on how he came across his own career and positioned himself in the public, the chances for that are basically zero.
I don´t see us bringing in another wide player, especially someone of the mould of Reus. As good as Reus is (world class and our best offensive player), he functions the best with freedom to roam around. We already have another player who thrives on movement in Mkhitaryan and an additional one would be overkill and take up the spaces the two other need. We actually have a pretty nice balance in the offensive midfield right now with the two mentioned roamer, two well balanced midfielder (Kuba, Hofmann), an AM/CM hybrid (Jojic), a fast counter player (Aubameyang), a devensive orientated option (Großkreutz) and two striker with the ability to play the CAM role (Ji, Ramos).
There is no need to invest further there as long as nothing changes. We will adress the Reus position when we´ll need to replace him, so most likely 2015.
Like I said In the Vidal thread. All it would take from Dortmund is a nice official statement. Klopps comments are not conclusive at all, he said much the same about Kagawa.
"Borussia Dortmund can confirm that Mats Hummels is happy at the club and will definitely not be moving this summer at all. We look forward to the new season with Mats as the pioneer of our defence coming off the back of becoming a world champion.
"Borussia Dortmund can confirm that Mats Hummels is happy at the club and will definitely not be moving this summer at all. We look forward to the new season with Mats as the pioneer of our defence coming off the back of becoming a world champion.
You'd probably still find a way to twist their words into meaning they are waiting for an offer.
The mere fact they released this hypothetical statement is enough to tell me they want to sell. To us. Hard."
Nailed it
Thats pretty much word for word what he said three days ago
All the muppets concentrated on the mention of the Spanish rumour, when this was nothing but an afterword to the general statement he made right before that:
"I can assure everyone, that there are absolutely no indiciations that both want to leave. Marco (Reus) and Mats (Hummels) will both play for Borussia Dortmund in the new season."
This is in tune with what CEO Watzke said one day prior to that, Hummels´ father calling any rumors about the departure of his son "nonsense" and both players publically stating they will play for Dortmund next season.
Let´s be honest here, the muppets don´t even care what the involved people say, claiming that "Everything is possible in football". The same goes for logical arguments going against a transfer (Dortmund not doing major business that late in transfer windows, no substainable rumors in Germany, Reus personally profitting way more from a transfer in 2015, Hummels risking his whole reputation with a move, etc.).
Its all fun to wildly speculate and wish for players to join. Let´s just hope that the officials of United don´t repeat the same mistake as in the last Summer in chasing after players who were never available and that the fans also know, that these deals were never "on" in the first place and are not dissapointed in the end.
Klopp saying he would eat a broom if hummels is sold isn't enough for you?
....At times, Klopp looks crazy enough to make him eating a broom plausible.
Klopp is the motherfecking man. I hope we line him up after LVG's departure.
What is out there that can replace hummels? its hard to find the right fit, and what we are learning is? clubs MUFC want to sign, these clubs do not really need to sell, or want to sell. It is the glazers and woodwards own fault, for being such tight asses over the years when we were in a position of strength, that they could compete at the top with average players and no need to spend big when positions were weak. Now the reality of no CL football has hit them and we are in a weaker position, they are panicking to get signings in and we cannot get them. Even with LVG in charge, it is hard to sign the right players that we all want.
Anyone know what's this about? Apparently Barcelona store have started selling them.
Shopped
That is some rapid detective work
Ahh that's a relief.Shopped
Anyone know what's this about? Apparently Barcelona store have started selling them.
I call photoshop ! It's still ON!!
Lol, you gotta be quick round here!
I did not know that was a feature. Google Chrome never ceases to impressReverse Google image search
That picture is obviously a photoshop unless that bird lives in the shop... However in all seriousness if Dortmund would sell then Barca would like us be interested in him.
Could they raise another big bid this summer tho.. Having splashed cash on Gks, Mathieu, Rakitic and Suarez.
Wouldn't like to face Barca for his signature, usually them and Madrid players always want to go there.
Could they raise another big bid this summer tho.. Having splashed cash on Gks, Mathieu, Rakitic and Suarez.
Wouldn't like to face Barca for his signature, usually them and Madrid players always want to go there.
That is very good shopped.Shopped
Unless Real or Barca come knocking, there is no way he's leaving. We'd never pull a transfer off like this. Never ever. Top player has a long contract, club don't need or want to sell. No chance United can do this deal.
Genuine question. Do you get any enjoyment out of football? You are just relentlessly negative.
Worse case scanario is probably going to happen, we go into the new season with just rafeal jones smalling evans and shaw, pretty thin options playing over 40 games next season
No chance of this happening, we will sign some defensive reinforcements.. Maybe not Hummels but won't go into the season with 5 options to cover 4/5 positions every game.. Only really keane/Valencia that could come in. Excluding Shaw, the other 4 are injury prone.
Expect the likes of say Vermaelen/de Vrij to come in..
I hope so is well, its just getting a little twitchy a signing has not been made
If we were intending to play 2 centre backs we'd be light, so with 2 we're super light!
But then we're 21days off the first game, and have friendlies to get through. Has to surely be a couple of defenders coming in.
Carrick getting injured surely has to influence something too. Unless he reckons Fellaini, Cleverely and Fletcher are plenty til he gets back
Wouldn't worry about it too much, signings will be made. Give it a bit of time. Vermaelen/Blind are versatile so would expect one of them as they can cover two positions.
It is just the thought going into the new season with just 5 first choice defenders, and 4 of the 5 are injury prone. Even if its 2 or 3, we are super light at the back, and I just do not trust giving jones smalling evans and rafeal the full responsibility, as they have not proved they can stay fit week in week out
Problem with Vermaelen? he adds to the list of defenders who always end up on the injury table, it is more pile up of the scrap heap, much like fellaini has proved to be another dud
Vermaelen doesn't fill me with confidence personally, Arsenal are not the best defensively and he can't even get in their team. What makes anyone think he is suddenly enough to improve our defence? There has to be better options than him surely. Not at all confident of us getting Hummels, so personally i am hoping LVG has other targets in mind.
To be fair, last season they were excellent defensively. The best in the league for the half of the season, iirc. And that is almost entirely down to the Mertesacker-Koscielny pairing, which was what kept Vermaelen on the bench.
Ye I agree with you bud, Vermaelen is the name most being linked so I would expect him to arrive but I wouldn't be too happy about it. His benefits though are he would be reasonable priced, if not we will move on. Experienced, Left footed which apparently LvG places an emphasis on, you would believe he would perform better in a three and has got goals in him I suppose.
De Vrij seems to be linked, young would prefer an experienced head back there having lost Rio and Vida. Hummels is unlikely but perhaps on the off chance that Dortmund would sell he would be ideal, a real coup, a top drawer centre half. Every player has his price though..
Apart from them shipping plenty when they played the in form top teams....!
I do take your point though, they were much improved generally compared to previous seasons. But would Vermaelen improve us? I'm not convinced personally, and i would be concerned and disappointed if he was our only CB signing.
I am not one to write players off before they have had a chance. LVG is a very single minded individual who knows what he needs, and i am of the mind that you have to trust your manager's judgement until he gives you a reason not to. But as others have already stated, T.V.'s injury record is a major worry. Add that concern to an already injury prone defence, and i struggle to see how we could find a regular pairing who would give us the consistency needed to significantly improve our defence.
De Vrij is an interesting one, looked decent at the WC for whatever that's worth. Other than that i admit i don't know too much about him, but his age at least gives him the time to improve i suppose. Whether the same can be said for Thomas V remains to be seen.
I think what this proves more than anything else is that top quality CB options seem to be few and far between.
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