Isn't he one of the players linked forever to Bayern, like Lewandowski? The only way he leaves Dortmund for 16M is if Bayern says so.
Mats Hummels
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"What are we talking about today? Mats to Manchester United? For how much? €20m (£15.8m)? With those kind of sums can you forget that straight away. When papers mention such numbers you know it is garbage."
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Lewandowski isn't, but Hummels is definitely one of the guys Bayern loaned to Borussia and then sold for very low value a few years back when Dortmund was in very poor financial shape. They have been re-paying that help with interest the last couple of years.
Imagine my surprise.
Not really. Actually not at all at the moment.
He wasn't sold for a "low amount", but for 4,6 million Euros. For a very young and relatively unproven defender in Germany, that was a really high amount a couple of years ago. That the amount turned out to be much to low in hindsight and that Bayern should've never sold them was not really predictable. Bad luck for us.
Also, the small loan Bayenr gave Dortmund has absolutely nothing to do with anything related to transfers. Nothing at all. It's completely irrelevant thing that got bloated by the media and rehashed during the Dortmund vs. Bayern banter since Dortmund's success.
Hummels himself expressed several times that he has no intention whatsoever to return to Munich. If he had, he'd be back already I guess, no matter the price. Can't see him change his mind in the foreseeable future.
Not really. Actually not at all at the moment.
He wasn't sold for a "low amount", but for 4,6 million Euros. For a very young and relatively unproven defender in Germany, that was a really high amount a couple of years ago. That the amount turned out to be much to low in hindsight and that Bayern should've never sold them was not really predictable. Bad luck for us.
Also, the small loan Bayenr gave Dortmund has absolutely nothing to do with anything related to transfers. Nothing at all. It's completely irrelevant thing that got bloated by the media and rehashed during the Dortmund vs. Bayern banter since Dortmund's success.
Hummels himself expressed several times that he has no intention whatsoever to return to Munich. If he had, he'd be back already I guess, no matter the price. Can't see him change his mind in the foreseeable future.
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My bad mate. Things get lost in translation at times and these misunderstandings happen.
Dortmund have already lost Lewandowski. They will not let Hummels leave this season. Reus' clause kicks in next summer (I think) so I guess he will be the one to leave next summer. Hummels will make the move that same summer (which I doubt) or the following summer. Never moving this summer.
If we really are going to be stuck with that 3 at the back system this season then we should go all out for Hummels.
I agree with that, BVB letting him go makes zero sense for them unless we offer something crazy like €50m+
He doesn't have a release clause, Klopp wants to keep him and we'd need him to force a move to even give us a hope.
The only thing is he seems quite happy there.
The only thing is he seems quite happy there.
Perhaps they need cash? They got nothing for Lewi.
They're financially okay these days.
They could have sold Lewandowski the season before last for a decent amount. They chose to keep him and let him go on a free.
So it's established that Klopp is okay to selling him to us, we're just haggling over the price?
Absolutely pal, Groucho Marx/G.B.Shaw have quotes on this.
I think it was more a case of him being 'offended' by the made up number.
... whoosh!
Quoted.
You are mental if you think we are signing him for 16m. Poor quote as I'll never have to do it.
Well i might hold you to half a broomstick, if we sign him for 30 million.You are mental if you think we are signing him for 16m. Poor quote as I'll never have to do it.
Seriously speaking, its an uncertain world, anything can happen.
Nah, 16m is a no no. 30m+ though might make them think about it, but I'm not prepared to put my neck on the line at that sum of wonga.
They're not short of cash, are they? The only way I can see them selling is if he kicks up a stink. Which he doesn't seem very likely to do considering he comes across like a good lad who's committed to the club.
don't even think 30m would really. We're talking about a club who let a players contract run to the very end instead of cashing in on him when they could have.
Dortmund are minted now and don't need to sell at all. it's an almost impossible purchase in my eyes.
Probably right mate. This transfer would require Mats to force the move like Brophs says above.
We would have to bid an outrageous amount (€50M+) or the player would have to request/force a move (which will not happen) and even then we wont be paying under €35M for a world cup winner of that calibre.
I think we have a real shot at Vidal and possibly Di Maria but Hummels is improbable. I can see us ending up with Vermaelen or Miranda.
Need two CBs if we are playing 3 at the back. Vermaelen and De Vrij is my guess.
Vermaelen and De Vrij wouldnt be a bad summer at all.
I have little faith in Vermaelen as he seems perpetually injured but so did RVP, but RVP came to us off a injury free season as the league's top goalscorer.
I like De Vrij but maybe Miranda would be a better shout than Vermaelen
With the 3-4-3 now apparently our plan, I'd imagine a Kagawa + 15-25 million offer must be coming their way for Hummels.
They'd laugh at us, I can't see them selling for less than £40M straight fee.
Completely agree. He's twice the player David luiz is so Dortmund will think themselves short changed with anything less than £40m when people are prepared to pay more than that for defenders.
Haven said that, I wouldn't mind us signing him for £40+m, it's not my money. Plus he could be a colossus for us for 8+ years.
I think Klopp would jump at Kagawa for 15, so 25 + Kagawa is better than a 40 straight fee for them.
I doubt it, they've moved on from Kagawa and have bought other players for his role, I think it will need a huge fee to pry arguably the worlds best CB from them.
40m euro?? Are you people being serious now? I will not accept such a price for a defender, and the risk of him failing is enormous. 25m euro TOP.
I don't think it's easy to get a player back to his best after his development stalled for 2 years. Just look at Sahin as an example, even though he's now back at Dortmund for more than a year, he's still nowhere near his peak form, that we saw in Dortmund's first title win, and Dortmund certainly didn't pay big money to get him back. Dortmund clearly moved on from Kagawa, they don't need him at the moment and even if they did, they definitely wouldn't pay a lot more than anyone else to get him, which isn't a lot after those two years at United.
It's not just about development stalling. Every sport is a mental game. The problem is with their head. Torres didn't stop develop. He just went bad in the head. There could be 50 million reasons why that happens but it does happen all the time. Especially with younger players.
Dortmund certainly won´t value Kagawa at 20 Mil. €, thats more than what they got for him in 2012. They would not pay that much for a luxury transfer. Kagawa had two time windows, when he could have come back and he declined both times. Now they are at a point, where four to five players fight for the third spot in the offensive midfield next to Reus and Mkhitaryan. Adding Kagawa to the mix would not make sense, which is also why there was a clear turn in how the officials viewed a potential deal in public.
Klopp has neither the time to build up Kagawa again nor is there a place in the squad for the Japanese to get the sufficient game time to get back to his former form, if that is even possible.
Others already mentioned Nuri Sahin in that context, who rejoined in Winter 2013 as direct backup of Gündogan and got his game time when the latter needed rest and was later injured. Sahin changed his style to an extend away from a deep lying playmaker towards a holding midfielder because of the needs of Dortmund´s slightly different play style (compared to 2010/2011). He was also a lead player of the team, which is a role he took again after a while and an academy product, which also played a role in the whole deal.
PSG were prepared to pay that kind of money for a defender but I doubt any other club would be willing to.
Counterpoints:
1. He had a year left on his deal and was looking to leave. If he went back, he'd be locked in for multiple years.
2. Gundogan's injuries could open up a spot for Kagawa, with them playing more of a 4-1-4-1 than a 4-2-3-1 with 2 of Jojic/Kagawa/Mikhtaryan playing in front of Sahin/Bender, or sometimems both of the latter and just one of the former.
3. Klopp has spoken many times of Kagawa's ability to get goals from midfield and with Lewandowski going, another goalscorer might look good to him if Dortmund are struggling to score enough, especially if Reus demands to leave and gets his way.
4. Dortmund have 2 very good CB's in Sokratis and Subotic, they just bought a top young one in Ginter and they have another young one, Sarr, I think, who they seem to rate highly.
In general, I though, agree with you. Dortmund have good CM and ACM depth and Hummels is a proper star. If they bring in anyone it should be a right-sided version of Reus, or at least the closes they can find since those don't grow on trees. Even if Hummels goes, I think they'd be better off with a ton of cash to go buy Griezmann, Shaqiri (though I guess that can't happen), Lucas Moura, Cuadrado, Draxler or some other wide goalscorer.
So surprised bids arent going in to test Dortmunds resolve....from any club. City included they obviously were in the market for a CB.
Maybe Dortmund are holding firm on this one that he is not going. Sure City would have enquired if they were prepared to throw 30+ mil at a CB as shown.
Maybe Dortmund are holding firm on this one that he is not going. Sure City would have enquired if they were prepared to throw 30+ mil at a CB as shown.
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