PSG are stacked at the back. No chance they'll buy him.
It's between United and Barca and wasn't Hummels quoted as saying he would like to play or United someday? Or was that made up.
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It's between United and Barca and wasn't Hummels quoted as saying he would like to play or United someday? Or was that made up.
He said something along the lines of it might (joining us) be something that would interest him in the future but he said it was unlikely to be an option this summer. I read an article recently that said for his 16th birthday his dad bought him tickets to one of our games against Wigan a few years back. Also Andy Mitten (who is considered to be very reliable when it comes to United) recently said that although Hummels is happy at Dortmund he is open to the idea of joining us.
He never spoke in terms of likelihood of a move this Summer. He ruled it out.
Hummels also never really specially spoke in favour of United in his interviews outside the usual polite answers. The only club he specially mentioned as a prefered destination if he would move someday was Barcelona.
Yes you are right I should have worded it better. He said it might be an option in the future but not this summer.
Only times I have ever heard him mention us in interviews was this summer when he was pressed on the issue. No idea who has a preference for other than what I have heard/read over the last few months.
Leaves them with Sokratis/Subotic/Hummels/Ginter for those 2 CB spots, Hummels or Subotic on their way out?
Seeing as everyone got injured in their backline last season, I'd say no. Although, it does allow them a bit of space when Hummels does eventually leave though (within two seasons IMO).
Hummels' value is at a all time high now after a solid world cup and season at Dortmund.
His contract is until June 2017, next summer he'll only have 2 years left, a big offer this summer could get him.
I'd be so chuffed with either the Hum or Subotic.
Sometimes I really get the feeling that United fans believe all the other clubs just want to maximise the value of players and aren't interested in building a successful football team at all. Well, they're not.
Dortmund could've sold Lewandowski for a relatively high fee last summer, but decided that the sporting value he'd add to the club was greater than what they'd be able to sell him for.
They're not shy of letting a player leave on a free, if they feel it'll help the team win in the short term.
I would have thought that as well but every player has a price, would you have ever thought Mata and RVP would be at Old Trafford?
I never thought in my life I'd see Figo at Madrid, Tevez at City or Campbell at Arsenal but all of those happened.
I'm pretty sure Ginter can play as a DM so maybe they plan on using him there rather than as a CB?
Mata needed to leave because he needed 1st team football to be in the Spain squad for the WC and wasn't wanted by Mou anymore. RvP refused to extend his contract and was thus sold (similar to the Kroos situation now).
The others are mercenaries of the highest order while Hummels is happy in Dortmund.
Those situations aren't comparable at all.
Seems likely, I think he will be a CB backup behind Hummels, Subatic and Sokratis and a backup to Bender who is pretty much injured for half a season every year.
Well yeah, but that wasn't really what the post, I quoted above, said. If Hummels wants to leave (and that's a big if), there's always a small chance. But Dortmund won't be interested in selling him at this point because his value is at a maximum, they want to keep him and build a great team around him.
The price we pay for wanting long term planning with moyes, we end up with no champions league football for 2 years
Played almost all of his games (bar 4-5) as a central defender last season, considered to be best there by most german experts, in my opinion he's too good to be benched, but considering the amount of injuries Dortmund had last season he should be well in place for plenty of time on the pitch.
I just feel his talents will be wasted by not playing regularly, could easily become one of the better (if not best) defenders in Germany.
Had massive problems with injuries in their central defense last season, could be a reason as well.
But yea, his versatility to play DM helps his cause a lot i reckon.
I think he played about one third of his games as DM but the point you make is still right, he played most of his games as CB and it's certainly his best position.
Agreed that he's being wasted if he's benched but the problem is that he's too good for Freiburg already and maybe Dortmund said it's now or never (similar to Bayern who told Götze last year that if he wanted to join it had be now or they'd buy someone else and that door is closed).
Maybe an option he could have hoped for would have been joining a club who fights for the EL spots where he would have been a starter and hope to go to Dortmund when they sell Hummels in 2 years...far from a certain scenario though and it's probably too tempting for a 20 year old German when Dortmund come knocking and want you (I thing they actually were interested in Ginter a year ago already).
Ginter can play DM but he will be mainly used as a CB.
Considering Subotic is out for the start of season and Hummels had a long WC, he will be needed with the amount of games Dortmund have. Also they had a terrible injury crisis last season and he can cover both CB and DM quite well so therefore it is a good move. It's not a replacement for someone, just a good move and he will grow into their main CB in the next few years.
Considering Subotic is out for the start of season and Hummels had a long WC, he will be needed with the amount of games Dortmund have. Also they had a terrible injury crisis last season and he can cover both CB and DM quite well so therefore it is a good move. It's not a replacement for someone, just a good move and he will grow into their main CB in the next few years.
I do agree with you. It makes no sense that Dortmund would sell Hummels this summer especially at the prices banded about.
I think if he does go, it will take a psg/Monaco type offer to entice Dortmund.
After leaving the national team in Berlin, Hummels travelled to Munich with the bayern players. He obviously pushes for a move to the bavarian capital. 
jokes aside. he wont leave this season, but in the long run dortmund wont be able to keep those 4 guys happy.
jokes aside. he wont leave this season, but in the long run dortmund wont be able to keep those 4 guys happy.
What was the situation with him at Bayern when he was initially there? Was it LvG who let him go?
No, I think it was Klinsmann.
I don't think he'll come, the Germans just love them German team.
But on the bolded part, I would beg to differ, maximum value are always the time to sell (not implying that they'll want to sell), but normally you sell your player when they're on maximum value, you keep em when they're still cheap, and not the other way around
How many Germans have to leave to play abroad until that myth finally goes away? English and Italian players are less likely to leave, even if they struggle in their own country while German players always look and (have looked in the past decades) for opportunities in the other European leagues. In the World Cup winning squad Özil, Khedira, Klose, Mertesacker, Podolski, Schürrle and Mustafi are playing abroad and Kroos just announced to leave for Madrid while some other players already were abroad and just came home because there were better offers like Zieler and Boateng. Pretty much all the top clubs have Germans in their squads (Real, Barca, Chelsea, Arsenal) or had German players in the past (Juve, Inter, Milan).
And no, maximum value is not always the time to sell unless you're a club trying to maximise the amount you earn by selling players and not trying to increase the value and strength of the club itself. Dortmund's financial development in the past 5 years is beyond exceptional and it didn't rely on making money through transfers at all (the only big transfer deal which made them a lot of money was Götze and they definitely would have prefered to keep him instead). It was always about having the best possible team available for the next season and strengthening the brand through playing entertaining and successful football. That's how you grow as a football club and with no owner looking to put money in his own pocket or demanding instant success, they are allowed to grow step by step over years. All the top players they lost in the past years left because of release clauses (Sahin, Götze) or had to run down their contract (Kagawa left with 1 year left on his contract, Lewandowski left on a free). The club isn't interested in maximising the income through transfers at all, that's actually the exact opposite of how the club is run and it's working incredibly well so far. Now that they've sold shares to turn a longterm partner into a huge investor and shareholder and significantly increased several sponsorship deals and might even get a 2nd big investor into the club, the last thing they need is money. They need as much quality on the pitch as possible.
I sincerely doubt that. First off, the Dortmund staff really don't want to get the same problems they had last year, so letting one of those players go would indeed be foolish. Sarr may go to another club (2nd division or lower half of first division) on loan for the next season, so these four would be the only real options for the centre back pairing, with Subotic still coming back from a severe injury, so there are definitely doubts about his fitness. Plus Hummels is also known for needing a break from time to time, being injured quite often, although this got better over the last few years. Subotic also seems really comfortable in Dortmund, just look at the videos he made after Dortmund won the league in 2011, I don't think that he'd want to leave, considering that in terms of standing he should still be ahead of Sokratis. Hummels is pretty much the most set player in the whole squad, he ain't going nowhere, at least for the next two years, although I doubt that he'll be leaving anytime soon. At the moment it does look indeed very likely that he'll stay in Dortmund at least as long as Klopp is there, I'd put a good amount of money that he won't be leaving before 2018 (next World Cup, Klopp maybe gone, Hummels in his prime), but even then I think the he'll probably go to Barcelona since he quite often made positive comments about the way football is played there. Ginter on the other hand won't just be a back-up t the three centre backs, but will also get a major role in defensive midfield, which will be the long term replacement for Sebastian Kehl. Since Bender is also very injury-prone due to his style of play, he will probably get more time there than in central defense. This is definitely the most interesting of all positions, a lot of questions. Will Gündogan come back? If yes, can Gündogan and Jojic work together? Will Klopp try Sahin/Gündogan? How well does Bender/Jojic really work? Can Ginter be a real replacement for Bender, who sometimes falls into the central defense to help with the build up? What kind of new qualities does Ginter bring to the table. Plenty of things to get excited about as a fan.
Since Hummels is planning to stay long time, I don't know what sense it makes to bring that kind of stuff up here. Of course you'd rather sell a player for a high price than on the cheap, but when the player is a vital part of your team, what you want to do is keep him. Dortmund don't have to sell players, they do well without that and at the moment the club is trying to get to the point where they can offer higher wages so they're more attractive in the financial aspect. Look at Athletico who had one succesfull season and are now selling most of their key players. Dortmund never did that. They only got rid of one key player per season, because they had to, replacing him with someone who fits Klopp's idea of football even better. Integrating a few new players every year, improving step by step, Dortmund is definitely doing an impressive job. Of course the club is also a business set on financial gain, but Dortmund is mostly a football club trying to get the best team on the pitch they possibly can. There are people saying that there will be a Dortmund "Ausverkauf" every year, but they managed to keep their top players to this day. And as proven with Lewandowski they are not resistant to let a players contract run out when they think that he's an important asset to the team. Believe that, a player and a club actually keeping to the contract they made. Blasphemy!
I'm not talking about hummels, just that in general, normally players at maximum value is more make sense to be sold (neglecting things like principle, loyalty, no at all cost and all)
And I'm just commenting on Balu saying that "maximum value = more likely to be kept" where I beg to differ.
Eh.. why all the rage.
German love the German team, and they stay there most of the time. Off course a few of their best players are sought after and ply their trade in top European teams, but most of them are pretty much in German (compared to let's say Brazilian).
And regarding maximum value, it's not always black and white. What the fans sees as best for the club is not always in line with what's best for the board, the coach, and even among fans "best option" is debatable.
If Real or PSG offered 80M for Hummels, he'll be sold, and regardless of how good he is, that 80M will worth more to the team (if spent wisely). It's just a number game at the end of the day.
You can argue that Arsenal are being skint because they choose to built the Emirates, but can you argue they're doing the wrong thing? same with Hummels, selling him is not the end of the world, and not selling him is not always the best possible scenario. What if we don't sell Ronaldo that year and he simply leave for 30M the year after? Glazer or no Glazer, having Ronaldo playing for another year at the cost of 50M is not the best option
And I am saying that that depends on the club
If they're just trying to improve financially you're right, on the other hand if they want to field a good football team, they might keep a player at his maximum value if they don't have an immediate replacement and sell him on the cheap later when his importance has diminished. Generally I do agree with you though.Regarding your other post. The difference between Germany and Brazil is that Germany has an internationally revered league where players can present themselves on the highest level and get the big wages. Why move to another league? In comparison with the other big European nations (England, Italy, France to some degree, Spain) Germany actually has a lot of players playing outside of Germany. So I think that saying that a top player won't move abroad is foolish. Every well educated German speaks at least decent English along with another language, with the transfers of Ter Stegen, Kroos and Schürrle proving that German players tend to be comfortable with a move abroad, at least more than for example the English or Italians are.
There's no rage
. Sorry if it sounded harsh or anything, there's maybe a slight bit of annoyance in it, but definitely no rage .On the 2nd bolded part. You're wrong. Dortmund are in a comparable situation to Bayern about 10 years ago and they act in a similar way and it really is the best way to develop as a club, at least in Germany where football clubs are run completely different to England.
First of all, incoming money through transfer deals is always just a one off, so you can't rely on it constantly. A large part of it gets lost in taxes and you have to find replacements, that maybe even cost more in wages along with the money you have to spend for the transfer and sign-on bonus. The club doesn't earn 80m when Hummels is sold for 80m and there's no further income the next season when the club still has the replacement transfer and the new wages in its books. What Dortmund is doing at the moment, is trying to have a steady increase in revenue that allows them to adjust their overall wage bill to a competitive level. That's the only way you can get close to the top without a sugardaddy in the background who covers your unavoidable losses if you make transfers a number game. The whole net spend theory is plain wrong from a financial point of view, selling players for 100m doesn't give you the money to buy players for 100m in reality. You don't get any money the next year from it and a huge increase in wages then overall becomes a huge risk.
So selling Hummels for 80m now could easily cost the club longterm, it's actually quite reasonable to believe that it does. A transfer like that can have so many sideeffects that hurt the club's development, the marketing of the brand, future sponsoring deals. It says a lot about the ambition of the club as well. I'm not a fan of Dortmund, quite the opposite actually. I just believe that they are one of the few clubs in Europe that is actually developing every single year in a very impressive way in every department, not just on the pitch.
The reason why Hummels could be sold for a certain amount of money (probably less than 80m), is because the player could start causing trouble when he really wants to go. The clubs find an agreement, because at one point it becomes the best solution for all parties involved. However, the idea that the money itself is the reason and that the club is happy to let him go or actually tries to convince him to leave because the money is more important than the player is clearly wrong. The suggestion that United just need to throw money at Dortmund and they will happily ship Hummels to Manchester is just stupid. And you can read those arrogant comments all the time in the transfer threads.
There's no rage
On the 2nd bolded part. You're wrong. Dortmund are in a comparable situation to Bayern about 10 years ago and they act in a similar way and it really is the best way to develop as a club, at least in Germany where football clubs are run completely different to England.
First of all, incoming money through transfer deals is always just a one off, so you can't rely on it constantly. A large part of it gets lost in taxes and you have to find replacements, that maybe even cost more in wages along with the money you have to spend for the transfer and sign-on bonus. The club doesn't earn 80m when Hummels is sold for 80m and there's no further income the next season when the club still has the replacement transfer and the new wages in its books. What Dortmund is doing at the moment, is trying to have a steady increase in revenue that allows them to adjust their overall wage bill to a competitive level. That's the only way you can get close to the top without a sugardaddy in the background who covers your unavoidable losses if you make transfers a number game. The whole net spend theory is plain wrong from a financial point of view, selling players for 100m doesn't give you the money to buy players for 100m in reality. You don't get any money the next year from it and a huge increase in wages then overall becomes a huge risk.
So selling Hummels for 80m now could easily cost the club longterm, it's actually quite reasonable to believe that it does. A transfer like that can have so many sideeffects that hurt the club's development, the marketing of the brand, future sponsoring deals. It says a lot about the ambition of the club as well. I'm not a fan of Dortmund, quite the opposite actually. I just believe that they are one of the few clubs in Europe that is actually developing every single year in a very impressive way in every department, not just on the pitch.
The reason why Hummels could be sold for a certain amount of money (probably less than 80m), is because the player could start causing trouble when he really wants to go. The clubs find an agreement, because at one point it becomes the best solution for all parties involved. However, the idea that the money itself is the reason and that the club is happy to let him go or actually tries to convince him to leave because the money is more important than the player is clearly wrong. The suggestion that United just need to throw money at Dortmund and they will happily ship Hummels to Manchester is just stupid. And you can read those arrogant comments all the time in the transfer threads.
Nah, I still maintain that there will be a tipping point where selling a player >>>> having him around
Put it this way:
Will you sell Hummels for 30M? feck No
Will you sell Hummel for 40M? Hell No
Will you sell Hummel for 50M? No
Will you sell Hummel for 60M? Hmm... nope
Will you sell Hummel for 70M? I don't know, he's important to our club
Will you sell Hummel for 80M? Then you started thinking
Will you sell Hummel for 90M? You started to bite their hands off
Off course the number is just hypothetical and differs from how much you value Hummel's contribution. But there will be a number where selling him benefits the club more then keeping him, even if you're only gonna use the money to build a training facility / increase your stadium / buying youth prospects and stuff.
Things like this is very intangible and we can't put a definite numbers and every situation will be unique as there are numerous factors and butterfly effect one will never find out.
And again, I don't think United will get Hummel, he's to German to come here (whatever that means to him). I'm an economist, I just going against your notion that the player is not for sale, as in everyone is for sale if the price is right.
Nothing has changed. Unless someone offers (probably much) more than PSG did for Luiz, then there is no chance in hell that Hummels will leave this summer.
But if his hypothetical value this year is 90m, then it's still crazy high next year if we look at his age and contract situation, so Dortmund's financial loss by keeping him one year isn't 90m, it's just 10 or 20 or whatever. The question is never 90m or nothing unless the player is in the last year of his contract. It would also be significantly different if a deal was made long before the transfer window started and the club had time to evaluate the market, look for replacements early and be able to make a smart decision. There's a good chance that selling him for less money but being given time to act smart in the market is a way better deal for the club than just maximising the amount a player is sold for and then being forced to panic shop and hope it somehow works out. That's for example the reason why the release clause in Götze's contract (same with Reus next season as far as I know) had to be triggered in April. It makes such a massive difference if a club has time to react or not.
I'm not disagreeing with you that there is a price tag on any player, that's of course true. I'm just saying that the maximum amount isn't the best solution and that many other factors are influencing the decision if he's worth being sold or not. And Dortmund clearly aren't trying to maximise the amount he's sold for, that's the exact opposite of how the club has been run in the past years.
Of course there is a prize for which Dortmund would sell. There is even a prize for the likes of Ronaldo and Messi.
But no one would pay it.
But no one would pay it.
Would Hummels really cost that much? I'd say, £40million and Dortmund would accept.
I doubt they'd accept £40m, but I agree with Sky1981, every player is available for a certain price, even Ronaldo or Messi.
So you don't know anything about Dortmund and Hummels.
This is the same team that let Lewandowski go to Bayern on a FREE and Kagawa to us for only 12m. They would probably sell Hummels for 30m (he's worth 45m IMO)
Guys, before you post anything just read a bit before so you know the circumstances of their transfers. Otherwise you just give away some great laughs.
But hell yeah! They gave Lewandowski away for free! They are saints! They truly must love Bayern! If you ask nicely, maybe you, Jason93, can get Hummels and Reus for free and then you can sell them to Manchester United for cheap!
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