Mats Hummels

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So you don't know anything about Dortmund and Hummels.

Admittedly I don't. I just feel because defenders ALWAYS go for a lot less than midfielders or attackers, despite being "just as World Class", around that sum would usually be accepted.

I'm of course assuming that Hummels tells Dortmund that he wants to leave and join United, hypothetically of course. I guess he's only 25 years of age, which is about 3 years younger than what I thought he was :lol: In which case, £55-60m.
 
This is the same team that let Lewandowski go to Bayern on a FREE and Kagawa to us for only 12m. They would probably sell Hummels for 30m (he's worth 45m IMO)
how ridiculous. They refused to sell Lewandowski to Bayern a year earlier and instead let his contract wind down til the bitter end. If this was a club who just sell their players for decent prices, then they'd have sold him for the £15m (or whatever it was) and took the money, instead they refused to sell him.

People on here seem to think they know everything about German football when in reality there are actual German posters on here with far more of a clue.
 
Little heads up to the Ginter transfer and possibility ( nope ) of Hummels coming here. Mind you guys that they've used Friedrich last season and he's probably not joining them for the upcoming season ( some BVB caftard confirm please ), so they basically needed another CB anyway. Doesn't mean that Hummels is going anywhere.
 
Admittedly I don't. I just feel because defenders ALWAYS go for a lot less than midfielders or attackers, despite being "just as World Class", around that sum would usually be accepted.

I'm of course assuming that Hummels tells Dortmund that he wants to leave and join United, hypothetically of course. I guess he's only 25 years of age, which is about 3 years younger than what I thought he was :lol: In which case, £55-60m.

Assuming that Reus will leave next season because of his release clause, Hummels is the very last real star in their team. He has a longterm contract and no release clause. He doesn't want to leave (and wouldn't ever try to in a dirty way if he changes his mind) and he's their future captain. And they never sold one of their starplayers if they could refuse to. And in their (also in my) mind he's probably the best defender in the world. And as you said, he's just 25 years old.

I hope you can imagine now how much money would be needed to make them sell.


@Kostur: Yes, Friedrich left already.
 
Assuming that Reus will leave next season because of his release clause, Hummels is the very last real star in their team. He has a longterm contract and no release clause. He doesn't want to leave (and wouldn't ever try to in a dirty way if he changes his mind) and he's their future captain. And they never sold one of their starplayers if they could refuse to. And in their (also in my) mind he's probably the best defender in the world. And as you said, he's just 25 years old.

I hope you can imagine now how much money would be needed to make them sell.
I don't even think he was your best defender at the WC! But obviously that's just a month. I think Silva's clearly the best in the world but Hummels is incredibly talented and by the time he's Silva's age he probably will be.

Although there's such a lack of top quality defenders in world football right now that it will only be a matter of time til clubs start offering megabucks for him, so I hope you're right about him being committed. In my eyes Real are the only big club who already have a "world-class" pairing (Varane-Ramos).
 
Not sure I know much about Ginter, but would Ginter really go somewhere to sit on the bench? Maybe there is actually something in these Hummels links?
 
how ridiculous. They refused to sell Lewandowski to Bayern a year earlier and instead let his contract wind down til the bitter end. If this was a club who just sell their players for decent prices, then they'd have sold him for the £15m (or whatever it was) and took the money, instead they refused to sell him.

People on here seem to think they know everything about German football when in reality there are actual German posters on here with far more of a clue.
Obviously I'm aware of this but it Still would make more sense to sign him to a new deal and ship him off for millions no? Imagine Liverpool let Suarez go to Barca on a free... They sold Götze to Bayern for 42m so it's not like they're completely against selling players to them. And 15m is better than nothing.
 
Obviously I'm aware of this but it Still would make more sense to sign him to a new deal and ship him off for millions no? Imagine Liverpool let Suarez go to Barca on a free... They sold Götze to Bayern for 42m so it's not like they're completely against selling players to them. And 15m is better than nothing.
Oh, you've got it coming : popcorn.gif :
 
Obviously I'm aware of this but it Still would make more sense to sign him to a new deal and ship him off for millions no? Imagine Liverpool let Suarez go to Barca on a free... They sold Götze to Bayern for 42m so it's not like they're completely against selling players to them. And 15m is better than nothing.
It doesn't sound like you were aware of it, at all, given what you said. You made it out like Dortmund were some mugs who managed to let him leave on a free, when the reality is they were the ones who forced him to stay and refused to sell him to Bayern regardless of the money offered. Dortmund are not a poor club, they're not a club who need to sell their players, especially for low sums of money in the current market.

And the Gotze comment is beyond stupid, and clearly you know nothing if that's why you think they just went and 'sold him'.
 
It doesn't sound like you were aware of it, at all, given what you said. You made it out like Dortmund were some mugs who managed to let him leave on a free, when the reality is they were the ones who forced him to stay and refused to sell him to Bayern regardless of the money offered. Dortmund are not a poor club, they're not a club who need to sell their players, especially for low sums of money in the current market.

And the Gotze comment is beyond stupid, and clearly you know nothing if that's why you think they just went and 'sold him'.
Of course I'm aware of it. It was poor business to let Lewandowski go on a free no matter what way you look at it.
 
Not sure I know much about Ginter, but would Ginter really go somewhere to sit on the bench? Maybe there is actually something in these Hummels links?
I don't know, I think even if Hummels left, he'd still have both Subotic and Sokratis ahead of him in the pecking order.
 
Obviously I'm aware of this but it Still would make more sense to sign him to a new deal and ship him off for millions no? Imagine Liverpool let Suarez go to Barca on a free... They sold Götze to Bayern for 42m so it's not like they're completely against selling players to them. And 15m is better than nothing.
Lewandowski refused to sign a new deal. Dortmund couldn't do anything about it. He was dead set on going to Bayern so it's not like Dortmund could sell him abroad either. Honestly, do you really think Dortmund wanted him to leave on a free?

Bayern triggered Götze's release clause. Dortmund didn't sell him.
 
Of course I'm aware of it. It was poor business to let Lewandowski go on a free no matter what way you look at it.
That's not the point. The point is that Dortmund were willing to go to such financial extremes to block the transfer. It shows how much money they have and it shows that they won't just sell players like Hummels for £30m which was what you originally claimed they would be willing to do.
 
Obviously I'm aware of this but it Still would make more sense to sign him to a new deal and ship him off for millions no? Imagine Liverpool let Suarez go to Barca on a free... They sold Götze to Bayern for 42m so it's not like they're completely against selling players to them. And 15m is better than nothing.

Why the feck are you even posting here if you don't even know that it was a release clause?

Do you really believe they would sell Götze, who was rated as high or even higher than Neymar, for 37m(!) while Barca pays 80m+ for Neymar? :D
And nobody would try to bet even more?
 
Hummels is our most unrealistic target, Dortmund have no reason to sell and Hummels has said quite a few times his staying at Dortmund this season.
 
Hummels is our most unrealistic target, Dortmund have no reason to sell and Hummels has said quite a few times his staying at Dortmund this season.
And very unlikely at the price - 20m Euros is far too cheap.
 
Hummles is the centreback I most want
Followed closely by subotic
Then beneita
I also wouldn't mind Vertongen
Or ingo martinez
But please let's at least try for one of hummles or subotic as if they don't sell one of them they might let us get the other...
And do it quick before we end up with vermallen (mangala, de vrij, godin, miranda, even John stones... Just not the constantly injured vermallen)
 
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Hummles is the centreback I most want
Followed closely by subotic
Then beneita
I also wouldn't mind Vertongen
Or ingo martinez
But please let's at least try for one of hummles or subotic as if they don't sell one of them they might let us get the other...
And do it quick before we end up with vermallen

Why would Borussia 'let us get the other' ?

Also, those names, how the feck.
 
Because they have 4 players who can play CB so a feck load of money may make them think they can get by with three

They're playing in three competitions, Ginter is unproven and Hummels/Subotić happen to be injured from time to time. The latter two are cornerstone of their defence too, I see no reason why they'd let either of them go, unless it's the player who forces the move.

They've let themselves down last season with Subotić tearing his ACL and Hummels being injured when they had to bring Friedrich from 'retirement' in order to patch their horrible defence. Played Bender there once or twice as well, I doubt they'd allow such circumstance to occur again.

Naturally, I'd love to be wrong and us to sign him.
 
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Spanish Daily Sport believe a deal will be confirmed this week.

Dortmund´s CEO said yesterday, that the squad for the next season is finalised and there won´t be any departures under any circumstances. Sounds pretty clear to me.
 
Even if we are signing him and that's a pretty big if, then the price will be atleast double the amount which is quoted by Sport. 20m Euros would be the steal of century for Hummels and hence why that's unrealistic unless his contract expires in 2015.
 
Its important to remember that Dortmund have just entered a new era of financial security. They may not have the whoomph of the really big clubs, but the days of them having to sell a big player each year has gone. And with the losses of Gotze and Lewandoski in the last two seasons (neither of which were due to financial pressures) there's a political sensitivity to selling key players there as well.

Essentially the only reason that they would sell a player like Hummels was if they get a really big offer (everyone has their price) and the player asked to leave. Other than that its a no-go.
 
Even if we are signing him and that's a pretty big if, then the price will be atleast double the amount which is quoted by Sport. 20m Euros would be the steal of century for Hummels and hence why that's unrealistic unless his contract expires in 2015.

That is a weird story. It doesn't even have an "according to reports" type get out clause in it. Sport comes up with some odd stuff at times, usually to get Barcelona fans excited, but I can't even guess why they'd write this.

Misheard gossip perhaps? Can anyone think of a player whose name rhymes with Hummels?
 
Even if we are signing him and that's a pretty big if, then the price will be atleast double the amount which is quoted by Sport. 20m Euros would be the steal of century for Hummels and hence why that's unrealistic unless his contract expires in 2015.

Even if his contract would end in 2015 instead of 2017 we would not sell for that figure. Having Hummels for one year is worth more than that.

Based on just his abilities on the pitch and his standing (world champion as one of the top performer) alone his price tag is at least 40 Mil. € and that is a conservative valuation. On top of that he is our most important player personality, which adds an additional significant sum.
 
We can all agree this is bollocks and move on with our mornings.
 
That is a weird story. It doesn't even have an "according to reports" type get out clause in it. Sport comes up with some odd stuff at times, usually to get Barcelona fans excited, but I can't even guess why they'd write this.

Misheard gossip perhaps? Can anyone think of a player whose name rhymes with Hummels?

They've even said that Ginter is his replacement. Why on earth would any club replace a world class player with a relatively unproven player!
It'll be like replacing Ronaldo with Valen...oh :(
 
Hummles is the centreback I most want
Followed closely by subotic
Then beneita
I also wouldn't mind Vertongen
Or ingo martinez
But please let's at least try for one of hummles or subotic as if they don't sell one of them they might let us get the other...
And do it quick before we end up with vermallen (mangala, de vrij, godin, miranda, even John stones... Just not the constantly injured vermallen)

Are you doing this on purpose? How you got de Vrij right I'll never know.
 
20m? Why not throw Rues in at that price too.
 
Are you doing this on purpose? How you got de Vrij right I'll never know.
It's a new phone and it keeps on correcting the spellings as it does not have my old dictionary in it.
Plus English is my third language so I'm not great at spotting the changes - hows your Cantonese writing for example?
 
It's a new phone and it keeps on correcting the spellings as it does not have my old dictionary in it.
Plus English is my third language so I'm not great at spotting the changes - hows your Cantonese writing for example?

It's only names, it's got nothing to do with languages.

No worries though, I was only taking the piss. :)

My Cantonese is not great, I'll give you that.
 
I have a good feeling about our back four and centrebacks next season, if they can stay fit they can be leagues best. If Koscielny and Mertesacker could be arguably the best CB pair of the season why not Evans/Smalling/Jones, I also have high hopes for young Michael Keane, he will be great centre back, he needs games. Anyway as it was said even those 4 stay fit and raise their game we don't have any particular leader in that back four, a dominant centreback, HUmmels could turn it into top defense, any of the centreback could play with him he would give him assurance and to fullbacks too. We would certainly show ambition to win the title if we went for Hummels, They couldn't turn down 35m offer or so. I'll be okay if he doesn't come but it would be exciting to have him.. There is no point to bring de Vrij in, he is on par with others we have, altho good on the ball, what Evans/Jones, Keane are as well an is not a dominant force we need.
 
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