Mats Hummels

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Alock1 said:
Hummels won't push for a move and I doubt Dortmund will sell.

Sokratis and Subotic are two fantastic centre-backs anyway so I'm not sure why there'd be reluctance if a big enough bid came in. Personally I'd take any of the 3 at United.
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Neither can fill Hummels´ role on the pitch as one of the dominant build up players (Ginter might with time, but certainly not next season) and Hummels is way more than a CB or even player for Dortmund. He is the most important and hardest to replace playing person we have.

The transfer of Ginter is about adding depth in the defense and a preparation for the possible case of Hummels´ someday deciding to leave Dortmund. We would be pushing way harder on the Ginter matter and look also into multiple other CB options if Hummels would have communicated his desire to leave for a certain price. This is not happening and would be highly uncommon for the work of Watzke/Zorc and Klopp, especially given the latters well known preference of sorting out transfer business early and having all players as soon as possible for the Pre Season.
 
I doubt Hummels will come. At some point Klopp has to stop the bleeding and reorient his club from a perennial seller to one that can hold on to its players in addition to adding a few more.
 
Thats understandable. He does seem to be very much Mr Dortmund and if you had to pick a leader from your team he'd be the first to mind.

Weird that apparently he's our main centre back target. I don't believe Dortmund would have signalled any sort of hope so I'd have expected us to have moved on by now. Perhaps we have, you get the impression that journos haven't been getting briefed by the club lately as they had been.
 
Its so strange that whenever a big name is linked with us and there is a reputable name behind it people immediately scream NO from the rooftops and go into a head in the sand mode. Arent we supposed to enjoy all this transfer gossip and hear-say. I say the more of it with credible ties the better. Im excited for Hummels I think its a long way off and Vidal and Di Maria are more likely currently but he would be an incredible addition. I have friends who have said theyd be most jealous if United got him.
 
I reckon if there was any hope of this happening prior to the WC, the sale of David Luiz for £50m, or whatever it was, and Hummels being excellent for a Germany side that are one game away from winning a WC will mean that his price has skyrocketed, from what was probably already a pretty toppy value. Not to even mention the fact that Dortmund appear to neither want nor need to sell.
 
SolidShite said:
Its so strange that whenever a big name is linked with us and there is a reputable name behind it people immediately scream NO from the rooftops and go into a head in the sand mode. Arent we supposed to enjoy all this transfer gossip and hear-say. I say the more of it with credible ties the better. Im excited for Hummels I think its a long way off and Vidal and Di Maria are more likely currently but he would be an incredible addition. I have friends who have said theyd be most jealous if United got him.
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Id be delighted to get him, but I'd put it on the "plausible but unlikely" list at the moment. Dortmund are entering a new era of financial security and gone are days of picking off their best players easily, like we did with Shinji. You either meet the full buyout clause (if there is one) or you make them silly offers.
 
I don't believe this "willing to consider United" stuff at all. Seems to genuinely love BVB and seems happy to stay there for a long time based on everything I've seen and heard about him.
 
Brophs said:
I reckon if there was any hope of this happening prior to the WC, the sale of David Luiz for £50m, or whatever it was, and Hummels being excellent for a Germany side that are one game away from winning a WC will mean that his price has skyrocketed, from what was probably already a pretty toppy value. Not to even mention the fact that Dortmund appear to neither want nor need to sell.
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It doesn't work like that though. Otherwise every club would demand £35m plus for any decent striker because Carroll cost that much.

Dortmund know they won't get £50m for him. Barca and Real Madrid wouldn't pay that much for a defender. Only club who might do that just spent already £50m on a defender.
 
Bojan11 said:
It doesn't work like that though. Otherwise every club would demand £35m plus for any decent striker because Carroll cost that much.

Dortmund know they won't get £50m for him. Barca and Real Madrid wouldn't pay that much for a defender. Only club who might do that just spent already £50m on a defender.
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I didn't really make any of those arguments. It's simple enough. Comparing Carroll and world class strikers is apples and oranges. Comparing Hummels with a supposedly world class player is just common sense. That supposedly world class defender goes for £50m. Dortmund would be fools not to look at that and see that the market can bear a higher fee. It doesn't mean they'll get exactly £50m, or maybe nothing like that, but the market adjusts itself according to what people pay. When you want to buy the best players in the world now you use Ronaldo and Bale's fees as the yardstick.

Dortmund can't lose here. He's good enough that they'll get £30m odd whenever he leaves and there'll be plenty of interest at that price. If they ask for £40m odd and clubs baulk at that they have the benefit of him for another season. and they'll still get their £30m odd a year later.
 
Bojan11 said:
It doesn't work like that though. Otherwise every club would demand £35m plus for any decent striker because Carroll cost that much.

Dortmund know they won't get £50m for him. Barca and Real Madrid wouldn't pay that much for a defender. Only club who might do that just spent already £50m on a defender.
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Agreed, also lets not forget PSG seem to be working outside the remits of reality and the rest of the football world pretty much ignores them unless they want to buy a player for a stupid fee from them.

David Luiz going for 50m has little to no effect on the current marker at all. By this logic we should be bidding 50-60m for Vidal but we wont simply because it is completely unrealistic and prices the player out of the market unless PSG do come in for him...which they wont. 30m for Hummels is a fair and realistic price if not a little high, the reason they would get anywhere near that figure is to force Dortmund into selling.

Every player has an unofficial release clause in which the club can simply not ignore. For instance Mata, despite what people tell you Mou was pretty adamant he wasnt for sale but when we offered almost 40m for him you just cant say no. Its seen all over with only special cases going for huge fees (usually players mid contract and considered world beating forwards that guarantee a certain amount of goals).
 
SolidShite said:
Agreed, also lets not forget PSG seem to be working outside the remits of reality and the rest of the football world pretty much ignores them unless they want to buy a player for a stupid fee from them.

David Luiz going for 50m has little to no effect on the current marker at all. By this logic we should be bidding 50-60m for Vidal but we wont simply because it is completely unrealistic and prices the player out of the market unless PSG do come in for him...which they wont. 30m for Hummels is a fair and realistic price if not a little high, the reason they would get anywhere near that figure is to force Dortmund into selling.
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£30m for Hummels is not a high price and Dortmund wouldn't accept it.
 
The only hope we have is that he realises Bayern will be an unstoppable Juggernaut, and considering he has already won everything in Germany he fancies a new challenge. That would be my play to turn his head anyway.
 
SolidShite said:
Thanks to @bishblaize for posting this, anyone doubting he would come NEEDS to read this.

http://www.theguardian.com/football...van-gaal-manchester-united-borussia-dortmund?
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If watching a game of football means that you're a die hard fan of the club people who follow football would be the biggest whores in the history of the universe.

Friends and advisors told me is press code for hey Id like to sell you a nice story but unfortunately I can't find anything remotely close to supporting it.
 
Adam-Utd said:
The only hope we have is that he realises Bayern will be an unstoppable Juggernaut, and considering he has already won everything in Germany he fancies a new challenge. That would be my play to turn his head anyway.
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He won't go to Bayern. :lol:

Read his comments when Gotze left. No way will he leave for them.
 
RedSky said:
He won't go to Bayern. :lol:

Read his comments when Gotze left. No way will he leave for them.
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He didn't say that. He said he hopes Hummels gets bored of Bayern winning and wants to leave.
 
SolidShite said:
Its so strange that whenever a big name is linked with us and there is a reputable name behind it people immediately scream NO from the rooftops and go into a head in the sand mode. Arent we supposed to enjoy all this transfer gossip and hear-say. I say the more of it with credible ties the better. Im excited for Hummels I think its a long way off and Vidal and Di Maria are more likely currently but he would be an incredible addition. I have friends who have said theyd be most jealous if United got him.
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There is absolutely nothing to enjoy about all of these, it's a very annoying time of the year where the caf always puts on its worst suit.
 
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ravi2 said:
I can easily see Dortmund asking for £40m for their best defender who is just coming off a World Cup win.
He doesnt particularly want to move, they dont want to sell.
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They won't care how many £'s it is because they deal in Euros. The pound / Euro rate is good at the moment so it will be cheaper for us
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
They won't care how many £'s it is because they deal in Euros. The pound / Euro rate is good at the moment so it will be cheaper for us
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I wasn't debating the currency, The point I was making is that Dortmund aren't in a rush to sell and can easily ask for £40m (or 50M Euros) for Hummels.
 
Sokratis.
 
I dont see him coming since we dont have CL football(maybe next year). The guy is tough(something I doubted). We'd have to make it worthwhile for Dortmund and nothing less than 40m will do in my opinion. That David Luiz deal though might have us breaking the bank.
 
do.ob said:
If watching a game of football means that you're a die hard fan of the club people who follow football would be the biggest whores in the history of the universe.

Friends and advisors told me is press code for hey Id like to sell you a nice story but unfortunately I can't find anything remotely close to supporting it.
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Don't agree with that.

There's lot of different big European he could have travelled to watch in order to celebrate his 18th birthday. Clearly the specific club he did choose to watch carries some significance.

The relevant para, for those who can't be arsed clicking on the link.

In his summer pursuit of Mats Hummels, Louis van Gaal – and Manchester United fans – can take encouragement from the pilgrimage taken by the Borussia Dortmund and Germany central defender when turning 18. On Boxing Day 2006 Old Trafford was the destination for Hummels who, along with a friend, was sent by his father, Hermann, to watch Sir Alex Ferguson’s team take on Wigan Athletic as a gift to mark his birthday of 10 days before. A friend of Hummels says: “Manchester United is a big club for any footballer. Mats went to see them playing Wigan as a present.”
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Pogue Mahone said:
Don't agree with that.

There's lot of different big European he could have travelled to watch in order to celebrate his 18th birthday. Clearly the specific club he did choose to watch carries some significance.
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And what exactly does that tell you? Maybe he went there because he was a fan of someone who does not play (coach) for United anymore (Rio/SAF)? Maybe his father just wanted to gift him a trip to watch a prestigious English club and United was sort of random, since Arsenal and Liverpool played away from home that day. Maybe United is/was his favourite English club but is that enough to turn down Real/Barca if they really want him? Even if he really was some sort of fan back then, a lot of things can change between the age of 17 and 25. For all we know Hummel's father could've been friends with someone from Uniteds staff he met on some seminar
The fact that he went to OT once almost a decade ago tells you nothing by itself.


I'll be looking to get a ticket for one of the London clubs the next time I get there. Not because I love them so much, but because I want to see some English football and the top clubs are the natural first choice.
 
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do.ob said:
And what exactly does that tell you? Maybe he went there because he was a fan of someone who does not play (coach) for United anymore (Rio/SAF)? Maybe his father just wanted to gift him a trip to watch a prestigious English club and United was sort of random, since Arsenal and Liverpool played away from home that day. Maybe he likes the club but is that enough to turn down Real/Barca if they really want him? Even if he really was some sort of fan back then, a lot of things can change between the age of 17 and 25.
The fact that he went to OT once almost a decade ago tells you nothing by itself.
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You can read into it whatever you want.

You're obviously keen to interpret it as having no relevance regarding whether or not Manchester United is a football club he might eventually want to play for.

My interpretation would be somewhat different.
 
Didn't Hummels already say he was staying at Dortmund?
 
SolidShite said:
David Luiz going for 50m has little to no effect on the current marker at all. By this logic we should be bidding 50-60m for Vidal but we wont simply because it is completely unrealistic and prices the player out of the market unless PSG do come in for him...which they wont. 30m for Hummels is a fair and realistic price if not a little high, the reason they would get anywhere near that figure is to force Dortmund into selling.
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You will force us into nothing. We are not dependent on transfer income. Hell, we will probably spend around 50 Mil. € on the market this summer with only small income there. Between 35-40 Mil.€ might be Hummels´ normal worth as player on todays market, but we will also get that 2015 and probably a little bit less 2016. This does not represent the worth for us, though, because as everyone who knows a little bit about the club would know, Hummels is as personality as important as as player. Quite frankly we could not replace him with anyone on the market right now. We would have to develop someone behind him with a similar play style, which is the whole idea behind the Ginter transfer.

To get him in this Summer you would have to overpay by a significant margin to have even a shot at him and this also only if Hummels forces a move. Nothing indicates this, though. The statements of him, his agent, the Dortmund officials, the calm in the transfer market by Dortmund in the CB department and the fact that not a single German paper pick up rumors without denying them in the same articles speaks against it. All the muppets have are articles by solely the British press without direct quotes or reliable sources close to Dortmund or Hummels.

But Hummels visiting the OT nearly a decade ago changes everything of course....
 
NMF said:
Didn't Hummels already say he was staying at Dortmund?
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Sphaero said:
Several times, but this nothing worth on here...
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NMF said:
Got to wonder how United are confident. His agent is his father so I can't see him chasing money.
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This is our most improbable transfer, the only deal I can think of that may pique' their interest is something along the lines of £40m + Kagawa.
Its either a smokescreen for the real CB target or LVG knows something we do not.... there has been nothing remotely substantial from either side.
 
It will be awesome if he can join us. 30m might get him but he should be interested in the move. If a player is interested in a move, then there is a solid ground to start negotiations.
 
They don't want Kagawa.

Hans-Joachim Watzke : We have worked with Marco Reus as a number 10 which…everyone is talking about. And we have Henrikh Mkhitaryan who can also play there. Would then a third number 10 still make sense?”

Hummels could move, there's always a minor chance. But only if he desperately wants to (Klopp is a nice guy and probably won't block the transfer) and for David Luiz type money.
 
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