Mats Hummels

[do.ob]

Yeah, I meant more like the money men who handle the day to day operations, bit of a hangover from following English football for so long. As to your question, I can easily turn it around and ask why wouldn't Dortmund turn down an opportunity to double their revenue gap over their nearest competitors? As I've mentioned, they've proved themselves highly adept at unearthing and improving emerging talent. Dortmund under Klopp appear to have almost perfected this, in fact it could be the reason why they didn't seem to be overly fussed about losing some of their best players in the last few seasons.

Because they are interested in steady growth and they can't hope to find a talent that will bring the same level of performance and character to the squad as Hummels (at least from the get go). Money that they can't spend wisely also does not help them and they are already looking at more than €100m extra from their new shares this fall.
Selling Hummels would also send a very bad signal to potential sponsors/signings and their squad.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Because they are interested in steady growth and they can't hope to find a talent that will bring the same level of performance and character to the squad as Hummels (at least from the get go). Money that they can't spend wisely also does not help them and they are already looking at more than €100m extra from their new shares this fall.
Selling Hummels would also send a very bad signal to potential sponsors/signings and their squad.

Fair enough, it will be interesting to see how it pans out once the WC is done.

 

[Sphaero]

Thanks for the informative reply. Still, do you think that realistically Dortmund's best players can resist the pull of the larger European clubs? Not just United but Barca and Madrid, especially? I think this coming season will be an extremely important one for BVB, if they can challenge for the Bundesliga right 'til the end, or even win it, things will look good for their future. If they are left in Bayern's wake again you have to consider that some of their best players might get a little frustrated and consider their options.

It will depend on the development of us and what the individual players want.

Hummels is a pretty rare breed, because he seems to be less concerned about wages and the simple number of titles, but rather his role at the club. He is basically the player version of Klopp, who wants to build an European elite club from scratch. As long as Hummels himself sees the necessary growth of Dortmund for that, I can see him sticking around to accomplish that.

Reus on the other hand wants titles, as he has not won any major ones despite is undenieable quality. If we don´t challenge seriously next season, he is gone. The financial side is also an issue, but here the rumored deal with Puma could open potential ways. Puma is Reus´ biggest personal sponsor and with their plan to become a share holder of Dortmund in difference of a simple sponsor, they show interest to really identify themselves with the club, which has a remarkable reputation in the German public. They want to polish their image similar to what Opel is right now doing. I could easily see Puma having a great interest of keeping Reus at Dortmund as their face in football and paying him enough to compensate for the extra money he would get at other clubs.

The rest of the squad, the real core, is not really in danger of going elsewhere, because most of them are highly efficient role players, who reach their best level only under Klopp. It is no secret, that pretty much every player who left Dortmund did never reach their old level again. This shows clearly that the real strength of Dortmund is not the pure individual strength of their players, but the system and the Coach. This is also why we could compensate the star players, who left Dortmund to try (and mostly fail) at bigger clubs.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

It will depend on the development of us and what the individual players want.

Hummels is a pretty rare breed, because he seems to be less concerned about wages and the simple number of titles, but rather his role at the club. He is basically the player version of Klopp, who wants to build an European elite club from scratch. As long as Hummels himself sees the necessary growth of Dortmund for that, I can see him sticking around to accomplish that.

Reus on the other hand wants titles, as he has not won any major ones despite is undenieable quality. If we don´t challenge seriously next season, he is gone. The financial side is also an issue, but here the rumored deal with Puma could open potential ways. Puma is Reus´ biggest personal sponsor and with their plan to become a share holder of Dortmund in difference of a simple sponsor, they show interest to really identify themselves with the club, which has a remarkable reputation in the German public. They want to polish their image similar to what Opel is right now doing. I could easily see Puma having a great interest of keeping Reus at Dortmund as their face in football and paying him enough to compensate for the extra money he would get at other clubs.

The rest of the squad, the real core, is not really in danger of going elsewhere, because most of them are highly efficient role players, who reach their best level only under Klopp. It is no secret, that pretty much every player who left Dortmund did never reach their old level again. This shows clearly that the real strength of Dortmund is not the pure individual strength of their players, but the system and the Coach. This is also why we could compensate the star players, who left Dortmund to try (and mostly fail) at bigger clubs.

Killer post again, fella. Thanks!

 

[Manucho the boss]

£20m isn't enough, we should spend at least £30m on him.

 

[KanieKaned]

You'd have to be talking more like £40mil surely.

 

[ravi2]

You'd have to be talking more like £40mil surely.

I think the bidding for hummels with all the factors considered, would start at 40m.

 

[ManniKaltz]

Players do say they want to stay all the time, though. It happens in all sports..yet they still move. Everyone does have a price.

Sure, the world is full of players with interviews like the following ones ... #NOT

Always amusing how convinced ppl are to know more and better about players from club and leagues they hardly follow for a longer time or more than on an extremely superficial level.

After Götze's move to Bayern was made public:
Hummels: If you can't live on €3m per annum as a player, you can't live on €8m either.

Welt am Sonntag: So it doesn't have to always be a title for you?

Hummels: I've never judged my career in terms of titles. For me it's about something else: I love to play football, prefer the style of football that suits me best. I do not say, 'If I have never won the Champions League, I am not happy in life'.

Welt am Sonntag: At Bayern is a greater probability for titles.

Hummels: I must not necessarily play for the best team in the world just to have a relative guarantee for a title. I would prefer a Champions League title with BVB to winning six with another club.

SPOX: Dortmund's salaries don't even come close to what European top clubs pay. This is certainly a reason why the club is not yet in a position to avoid the departure of (key) players. It'll propably take some time until BVB will get there. Is it possible for a player to be that patient and loyal to a club these days?

Hummels: Of course it is. There are many reasons to stay with a club for a long time. In the end, everything revolves around the question: What's most important to me as a player?

There are definitely players who strive to achieve a certain amount of money at the end of their careers - which is not at all objectionable.

Then there are those who strive to win a certain amount of titles.

For some it is as important as it is to me to play the style of football with a team you find sympathetic, both from a sportive as a human being perspective.

 

[A1X]

There's no way this guy is leaving Dortmund, and if he does he'll go to one of the powerhouse CL clubs. We've got no fecking chance.

 

[Bwuk]

There's no way this guy is leaving Dortmund, and if he does he'll go to one of the powerhouse CL clubs. We've got no fecking chance.

Which, surely going off of the last 5 years we are one of the power house clubs in Europe?

 

[Manucho the boss]

There's no way this guy is leaving Dortmund, and if he does he'll go to one of the powerhouse CL clubs. We've got no fecking chance.

I think he'd be the best cb signing we could make but I do realise its a bit unrealistic for us in our current state.

I'd imagine he's not thinking about his future at all, fully focused on the match tonight so the paper talk is just speculation.

 

[Blair]

Which, surely going off of the last 5 years we are one of the power house clubs in Europe?

Right now we're not. We're not even in Europe.

We could make a bid and tell him to pretend it's United over the last 5 years?

 

[Bwuk]

Right now we're not. We're not even in Europe.

We could make a bid and tell him to pretend it's United over the last 5 years?

With the money we are spending we will be in the Champions League again. Players don't let a one year blip fool them.

 

[RedSky]

We won't sign him. Dortmund will not sell hi, this is a fantasy. Get real chaps.

 

[Manucho the boss]

With the money we are spending we will be in the Champions League again. Players don't let a one year blip fool them.

If he has interest from Barcelona though why take a chance on us? There's still question marks over us without Ferguson here.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Sure, the world is full of players with interviews like the following ones ... #NOT

Always amusing how convinced ppl are to know more and better about players from club and leagues they hardly follow for a longer time or more than on an extremely superficial level.

There are myriad examples, Wayne Gretzky being one. He didn't want to leave the Edmonton Oilers either, but was eventually traded to the Los Angeles Kings. Like I said, it happens. Sport is full of surprises.

Also, please avoid using text speak, it's not hard to type out 'people'.

 

[Sassy Colin]

Wait, what?

United Have Bundesliga Rival for Hummels!

With Manchester United shorn of the services of Nemanja Vidic and Rio Ferdinand, with both having left Old Trafford this summer, we`ve yet to sign a centre-back to fill the void.

Although we have the trio of Phil Jones, Chris Smalling and Jonny Evans in the squad, I`d be highly surprised if Louis van Gaal didn`t go out and bring one, if not two, centre-backs to Old Trafford.

One player that has been linked with a move to Old Trafford, and a player that could help fill that void, is the Germany centre-back Matt Hummels

Over in Brazil, 25 year-old Hummels has already demonstrated his set-piece prowess by scoring with two headers and looks like somebody that could do a decent job for Manchester United.

However, with Germany still involved in the 2014 World Cup any chances to wrap up the deal are prohibited.

To that effect it isn`t a surprise that another club also fancies acquiring his services with it being reported that Borussia Dortmund has entered the race for his signature.



Read more: http://www.manchesterunited.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=363008#ixzz36scv7UsF

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

worst reporting ever!

 

[Manucho the boss]

Wait, what?

United Have Bundesliga Rival for Hummels!

With Manchester United shorn of the services of Nemanja Vidic and Rio Ferdinand, with both having left Old Trafford this summer, we`ve yet to sign a centre-back to fill the void.

Although we have the trio of Phil Jones, Chris Smalling and Jonny Evans in the squad, I`d be highly surprised if Louis van Gaal didn`t go out and bring one, if not two, centre-backs to Old Trafford.

One player that has been linked with a move to Old Trafford, and a player that could help fill that void, is the Germany centre-back Matt Hummels

Over in Brazil, 25 year-old Hummels has already demonstrated his set-piece prowess by scoring with two headers and looks like somebody that could do a decent job for Manchester United.

However, with Germany still involved in the 2014 World Cup any chances to wrap up the deal are prohibited.

To that effect it isn`t a surprise that another club also fancies acquiring his services with it being reported that Borussia Dortmund has entered the race for his signature.



Read more: http://www.manchesterunited.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=363008#ixzz36scv7UsF

Racing to get his signature on a new contract maybe?

 

[ManniKaltz]

There are myriad examples, Wayne Gretzky being one. He didn't want to leave the Edmonton Oilers either, but was eventually traded to the Los Angeles Kings. Like I said, it happens. Sport is full of surprises.

Also, please avoid using text speak, it's not hard to type out 'people'.

Dream on ... but thanks for proving my point: You don't follow Hummels but extrapolate from other players to him - though it's been told here on the board over and over again and since years that Hummels' personality is very different to the ones of the vast majority of players. Convincing, really ... [/QUOTE]

Also, please avoid using text speak, it's not hard to type out 'people'.

As a non native speaker I'll take the liberty to write as it comes to my mind, but thanks very much.

 

[KingMinger22]

No chance this happens. £40m would be the rock bottom price. See: Luiz

 

[SATA]

Didn't Andy Mitten said Hummels was a top target of ours other than Cavani a few weeks ago? Doesn't mean we'll get him though

 

[Sied]

Jamie Jackson's latest article on di Maria says the following about Hummels:

Ángel di María is being monitored by Manchester United’s incoming manager Louis van Gaal, who has identified the Argentina and Real Madrid forward as a potential summer target. Germany defender Mats Hummels would also be open to a move to United if Borussia Dortmund agree to sell him.
If United were to land both players it could cost the club up to £75m, with the deals being financed by the sale of current players.

...

Hummels, who played the first half of Germany’s 7-1 rout of Brazil in the opening World Cup semi-final, has a contract until 2017 and although his camp believe that presently he may remain at Dortmund, there is an acceptance that moving forward his future is unclear, and that if the club were to accept an offer from United the defender would be open to the move.

Hummels, who could cost £25m-30m, is an admirer of Van Gaal, with the 25-year-old aware of his coaching abilities having started his career at Bayern Munich when the Dutchman was in charge of the club.

The central defender, while currently happy at Dortmund, also acknowledges that United’s pedigree and status as one of the continent’s premier clubs makes Old Trafford an attractive proposition should the possibility of a move occur.

 

[Invictus]

Isn't that article factually incorrect ? Or atleast this part specifically :

Hummels, who could cost £25m-30m, is an admirer of Van Gaal, with the 25-year-old aware of his coaching abilities having started his career at Bayern Munich when the Dutchman was in charge of the club.

Didn't Hummels move to Dortmund during Klinsmann's tenure ?

 

[NMF]

Out of all our reported targets Hummels has to be the most unrealistic.

 

[Bestie07]

I don't know what else he could do apart from getting the Dortmund logo tattooed on his forehead to convince the English press that he isn't moving anywhere this summer.

 

[Cassidy]

I don't know what else he could do apart from getting the Dortmund logo tattooed on his forehead to convince the English press that he isn't moving anywhere.

Hummels actually said he was open to a move to United, probably not this summer though. So people saying he will never leave Dortmund for us isn't exactly true.

 

[Bestie07]

Hummels actually said he was open to a move to United, probably not this summer though. So people saying he will never leave Dortmund for us isn't exactly true.

I meant this summer. Edited the post.

 

[Balu]

Isn't that article factually incorrect ? Or atleast this part specifically :




Didn't Hummels move to Dortmund during Klinsmann's tenure ?

Yes . Unbelievable that 'journalists' get away with made up shit like that. I mean, at least check wikipedia for a few seconds ffs.

Hummels actually said he was open to a move to United, probably not this summer though. So people saying he will never leave Dortmund for us isn't exactly true.

He gave a polite answer when asked about the club Manchester United, that was it. Everything else was pretty much creative writing.

 

[bucky]

Didn't Andy Mitten said Hummels was a top target of ours other than Cavani a few weeks ago? Doesn't mean we'll get him though

He did. Mitten said, before we completed the signing of Shaw, that we felt closest to signing Hummels.

 

[FromTheBench]

He did. Mitten said, before we completed the signing of Shaw, that we felt closest to signing Hummels.

He's said it again now. Says hummels is open to the move but happy at Dortmund too and we should see movement on this after Germany go out.

 

[2 man midfield]

He's said it again now. Says hummels is open to the move but happy at Dortmund too and we should see movement on this after Germany go out.

Wuuoah, what? Have you got a link?

 

[FromTheBench]

Wuuoah, what? Have you got a link?

http://news.playup.com/articles/2820397-july-9-update

It's on Playupp.

 

[2 man midfield]

http://news.playup.com/articles/2820397-july-9-update

It's on Playupp.

Well grease my midriff and stuff me with onions. Cheers.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

As a non native speaker I'll take the liberty to write as it comes to my mind, but thanks very much.

@ManniKaltz

You won't actually. Do it again and you'll get an official warning. Forum rules.

 

[ottosec]

No way in hell Dortmund will sell him.

 

[::sonny::]

I want him even if is often injured

 

[Sean_RedDevil]

Dortmund are very interested in Ginter (Can play in midfield too). And apparently Schär from Basel is a rumour too.

But i still don't believe he would leave Dortmund the upcoming season and Dortmund must get a bid of at least of £35m to consider a sale of him.

 

[Manucho the boss]

Dortmund are very interested in Ginter (Can play in midfield too). And apparently Schär from Basel is a rumour too.

But i still don't believe he would leave Dortmund the upcoming season and Dortmund must get a bid of at least of £35m to consider a sale of him.

Dortmund will prob add another £15m if he's a World Cup winner, I don't think we'll get our first choice centre back unfortunately.

 

[Alock1]

Hummels won't push for a move and I doubt Dortmund will sell.

Sokratis and Subotic are two fantastic centre-backs anyway so I'm not sure why there'd be reluctance if a big enough bid came in. Personally I'd take any of the 3 at United.