Hummels owning "the best young defender in the world".
Mats Hummels
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Hummels owning "the best young defender in the world".
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Of course Hummels is better, he is the ideal solution to United's defense but Mangala would easily find his place in United as he is better choice than Vermaelen plus he actually wants to play here.
Van Gaal will probably go after De Vrij anyway but that's another story.
I'd still give a finger to pair them together at the club.....you'd prob give your middle finger
Is De Vrij good I have to be honest and say I haven't seen enough of him?
Talented for sure but he didn't had best last season in Feyenoord. Van Gaal still probably believes in his potential as he trusts him and that trust to be honest is paying off with bonuses. It's weird because De Vrij has real problems with his mentality and confidence but suddenly he's having a blast on this World Cup.
Hidden gem or a miss for not that huge amount of money. It's up to Van Gaal to not feck this up.
I still think its enough for Van Gaal to bring on Jones to the player I think he can be at CB. There are times I thought he was the closest thing to Bobby Moore I've seen. There are other times thats laughable I know! But I think we actually owe the lad to try and Van Gaal surely can do that...and we can have the patience for that to progress....?
In upcoming season lack of huge physical pressure created by amount of matches in all competitions may help Jones to sustain his form without interrupting it by countless injuries. I can see a steady progress but our opponents doesn't feck around and signing player after player which creates another pressure on Louie to spend more than Fergie and Moyes.
Our most experienced player in centre defense is Evans and I'm not sure if he can take that pressure of being a leader of formation. It may be a window full of dilemmas as there's more available targets than year ago.
On the other hand if Van Gaal will boost our defenders like he did with De Vrij than we may not even need Hummels as what we see on the World Cup is something out of this world when it comes to all these unproven Dutch players.
I should have been more specific. I meant if we buy one experienced player like hummels but left the spot next to him for Jones, Evans or Smalling to make his own. Thats all I meant. Like the fans who have Sanchez and Di maria on the dream list occupying our flanks....we have Adnan. I just dont want the Moyes era to cloud peoples judgement on the younger players at our club who have contributed greatly to past successes.
Of all the ridiculous sums of money that's been said here than there for young, inexperienced midfielders, Hummels really is worth 40m£.. If he stays fit, he'll be up there with the best CB for the next decade and if he is willing to leave Dortmund, we need to act NOW!
Can we buy any player for less than a kings ransom these days......might as well ditch the scouting department thanks to the internet we know as much as any club on every player on the radar it seems these days.
Can't disagree with that really. I mean how in the feck we still don't have our numbers 7 and 11 occupied with some absolute best players ? Same of course goes to defense department. We'll need someone who will take the steer in that formation too and not even perfectly fit Vermaelen would be good as Hummels.
Yeah him scoring a header against a young defender thoroughly disproves my point.
It is like every good player is the solution, but the club does the opposite, lets hope under LVG we break the taboo
Two full months for that. It's not like United doesn't have time or money to complete deals. Signing Shaw and Herrera at some point means nothing as it was all Moyesy's targets.
Van Gaal gonna have to put pressure on Woody and owners. No escape from that.
Mangala isn't really that good. He has been overhyped but he has never impressed me. Also, I don't think that posters who watch Portuguese league rate him that much. I don't remember him getting hyped from them as some players in the past (likes of Falcao, Moutinho, Rodriguez etc).Evans ?
C'mon now.
Him being fourth choice for France doesn't help that much too. From what I have seen (although not that much), I think that garay was the best defender on Portuguese league.
In some way I find him similar to David Luiz. People who watch him not rate him near as much as others who only read about him. And for some reasons clubs are willing to pay a lot of money for him.
That part on Garay is a great point because if Moyes could haul his ass and sign him when he had the opportunity the chances are we would have no problems in with defense now whatsoever.
That would be imo Laporte.
Absolutely magnificent today I thought. Vidic-esque for getting blocks in and dominating in the air.
How much is his clause? Lets take the piss out of Athletic.
However I don't agree that he is better than Varane. I think that Varane is the Rio of this generation. However, I don't know who is the Nesta of these years.
He said he doesnt want to leave this summer when Barca came calling earlier this summer. Laporte is utter class, dont understand why he isnt raved about more tbh.
The German posters on here are a knowledgable bunch and they seem absolutely implacable that he's not leaving this summer. I'm inclined to believe them, and given that we have no CL this season, I'd be happy enough with a cheaper centre back this summer. If Van Gaal hasn't moulded an acceptable central defence by next summer, then I'd love to see us go all out to get Hummels.
Agree with that. He does seem to have a Vidic like quality about him. Cool and calm, excellent positioning, and pretty good in the air.
He's a much better footballer than Vidic ever was though. More of a Ferdinand type IMO.
Unfortunalty we'll never get him 
If he ever becomes available we will have to battle off fierce competition
Pure coincidence listening to the Fray - never say never, while going through this thread 
And one of the best passers on football (from defenders). If he was fast, he would have been easily the best CB in the world, but without it he is 'just' in top 3 or so.
I think we should just go after Vidal and Hummels for the rest of the summer. Break the bank if we must. Winning a CL in the next couple of years will more than make up for the investment.
£80m odd for the pair at least you'd think. A year and a bit's worth of proposed kit deal funding. We'd have one hell of a spine again.
I don't know why people keep saying he's not as good as Rio and Vidic. Whilst that might be true.
Let's not forget Rios first few seasons here without Vidic, where he looked like making a mistake every game. Rio and Vidic brought the best out of each other. We need to find a partnership rather than hoping one defender solves our problem.
So I hope next season we stick with two centre backs who we feel are our best partnership rather than changing every week.
Let's not forget Rios first few seasons here without Vidic, where he looked like making a mistake every game. Rio and Vidic brought the best out of each other. We need to find a partnership rather than hoping one defender solves our problem.
So I hope next season we stick with two centre backs who we feel are our best partnership rather than changing every week.
Yeah, even 100m for both of them would IMO be a good investment. It would make both our defense and midfield ridiculously strong and would probably made us favorites to win the league next season.
He's being linked with us again today, apparently LVG wants to play a 3-4-3 next season and 2 new CBs is vital, one of them being the Dortmund defender.
Impossible to get. Just impossible.
So van Gaal has Holland play 3-4-3 in one game and suddenly he wants United to play like that too... Papers, eh?
Completely agree, if it costs 50+35m weve done great business there.
Having three center backs in the bpl is pointless when most teams will play with a single striker and we would become easily exploited in the wide area. It is good against teams like City or Arsenal who prefers to play narrow, but for the rest of the league, the 4-2-1-3 system should become our go to formation.
On this thread topic, I do believe that we should go all out to get Hummels. With the departure of some of our veteren defenders, Hummels would make their abscence less noticeable
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No transfer is impossible, this one is just highly unlikely.
Having said that we could make Borrussia/Hummels an offer too good to refuse.
Offer them Kagawa back + Cash ?
Maybe then it can happen, if he wants to move. Mitten said the club thought there was a chance of getting Hummels after Shaw. Since then he's been busy with the WC so there's been no movement, guess we'll know after that.
Maybe then it can happen, if he wants to move. Mitten said the club thought there was a chance of getting Hummels after Shaw. Since then he's been busy with the WC so there's been no movement, guess we'll know after that.
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