I hope he excels too but like everyone we sign he's probably cursed to turn into Google Sheets within a month.
Mathys Tel | on his way to SPURS. He’s going to Spurs lads. SPURS
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Don't think he's confirmed anything, he's making himself look like a bullshitter.
And still no centre forward though…I really can’t believe we’re going to see the window close and only have Hojlund and Zirkzee to lead the line
I like Tel but this statistic doesn't match the eye test at all this season.
Maybe I went for the wrong choice of words. I'm just agreeing with you that he's a bullshitter!
Fair enough!
Thats because its not for this season. It is utterly misleading. Tel's last season vs Rash's currents season
Tel is a centre forward. He just doesn't get games there at Bayern because Kane, Muller etc. Big job for a 19 year old to force his way ahead of them. 21 year old Hojlund who doesn't score a lot, maybe not so much.
That doesn't really narrow the pool down a lot though - most players would say no to Spurs. It's like Uniteds crap on the pitch without the history, the trophies and the potential
I doubt it would be Tel AND Nkunku.
I hope so, I’ve not followed him at all but everything I’ve read since we were linked suggest he’s at his best cutting in from the left and/or playing in the role behind the striker same as nkunku
He's 34 and has never scored more than 10 league goals in a season. Also who the hell would he score against since it feels like the fecker has scored half of those against us?
Time will Tel
I don't think Tel is being signed to play CF, but the left sided number 10. Where Bruno was playing.
I think this is the position that we are looking to play Nkunku if he signs.
Next season
Gyokeres
Tel Diallo
Dorgu Ugarte CM Quenda
LCB De Ligt Yoro
Onana
I think this is the position that we are looking to play Nkunku if he signs.
Hojlund/Zirkzee
Tel/Nkunku Diallo
Dorgu Ugarte Fernandes Mazraoui
Martinez De Ligt Yoro
Onana
You heard it here first, and then we'll sign a CF, CM, LCB and RWB for the starting lineup.Tel/Nkunku Diallo
Dorgu Ugarte Fernandes Mazraoui
Martinez De Ligt Yoro
Onana
Next season
Gyokeres
Tel Diallo
Dorgu Ugarte CM Quenda
LCB De Ligt Yoro
Onana
Convenient choice of seasons..
Yeah, he's not scored at all this season yet right?
Dalot at right wingback for the remainder of the season, Mazaraoui isn't attacking enough.
If you're going to cherry pick for Tel you should compare him to Rashfords 30 goal season
Sounds OK then since Google Sheets is better? Show me any Excel-only function that's as useful as QUERY in Sheets.
What’s the plan signing Tel on loan though? Where are we going to play him and what is his position going to be?
Amad, Garnacho, Mainoo, Bruno, and then Eriksen and Mount are still in the club. All those players are playing L10 and R10. We need attackers but someone who can play striker not in that no 10 role because we already have enough no 10 options for this season. We probably even need midfielder more than no 10 at the moment since Mainoo is now considered as no 10.
Yeah, I agree. If we're loaning Tel, it'll be primarily to play him as a 9. Putting him at 10 while continuing to play Hojlund/Zhirkzee is moving the deck chairs around on the titanic. A front 3 of Bruno/Garna, Amad and Tel could actually be threatening.
We’re 100% replacing Onana in the summer.
interesting link with this kid simply bc he's more of a winger than a #10 type of player....the fit just seems a bit odd unless they think he's a kid that can adapt due to being comfortable on the ball in tighter spaces thru the middle
Do you think his best position is no 9? The first thing that came to my mind when we were linked with Tel is that he’s a winger or inside forward, which position we don’t use right now but will be similar to Garnacho that the player will need to adapt and learn to play as L10 or R10.
These days, we tend to force ourselves signing players who have talent but we don’t know how to fit them to the system or to the current squad. We just tried them in a new position and didn’t work out. Like how we splashed that money on Mount who probably didn’t fit to play with Bruno when he was fit.
But at least, Tel would just be a loan move so the risk is much much lower than when we signed Mount.
I haven’t seen much of Tel but I’m very keen for us to keep Mainoo in the 10 role, which I’ve said since Amorims first day.
What I definitely do think though is Amorim is taking no prisoners and Hojlund and Zirkzee have both been shocking so wouldn’t be surprised to see them both leave.
Tel looks like a tall, fast, big gangly high potential striker, which sounds more like Chido Obi than our current strikers so maybe the plan is to put him up top.
Nkunku could replace Antony and rotate with Amad so maybe we’re planning towards:
———— Tel
——— Chido
Mainoo —— Amad
Nacho ——— Nkunku
With Dorgu and Quinda (or whatever his name is) on the flanks
That immediately transforms the line up to a high energy, mobile and young attacking unit
With Bruno and Ugarte shoring up the middle
What I definitely do think though is Amorim is taking no prisoners and Hojlund and Zirkzee have both been shocking so wouldn’t be surprised to see them both leave.
Tel looks like a tall, fast, big gangly high potential striker, which sounds more like Chido Obi than our current strikers so maybe the plan is to put him up top.
Nkunku could replace Antony and rotate with Amad so maybe we’re planning towards:
———— Tel
——— Chido
Mainoo —— Amad
Nacho ——— Nkunku
With Dorgu and Quinda (or whatever his name is) on the flanks
That immediately transforms the line up to a high energy, mobile and young attacking unit
With Bruno and Ugarte shoring up the middle
Gyokeres regularly drifts to the left wing though
see that is where i disagree a bit....we do need a bit more quality in the #10 role bc Eriksen can't, Bruno struggles there, Mount can't b/c he's always injured and he's shit, Garnacho can't bc he always wants to go out wide....Amad and Mainoo can. you bring in a kid who can play that 10 who's dynamic on the ball, a good dribbler and it allows you to put Amad as a wing back which gives you natural width and another quality attacking player on the pitch
We need more quality in almost every positions to be fair. But if I have to pick one, which one we are desperate need quality: striker or no 10. The answer has to be striker. Because our no 10 options are still better than our striker options. The likes of Bruno and Amad are still delivering some quality for us while our strikers have delivered nothing so far. In addition, our young talented player like Mainoo is considered as no 10 because Amorim said he’s struggling defensively as midfielder, which makes it obvious that midfielder is a position we need to strengthen before the no 10.
Your reasons on why Garnacho can’t be no 10 in Amorim system could also apply the same to Tel because Tel never play as no 10 like Garnacho and he’s currently considered as left winger or wide inside forward, which is the same as Garnacho when he was under ten hag, a left winger or wide inside forward.
And then we are strongly linked with Quenda who plays as right wingback. If the plan next summer is to sign Quenda as our right wingback, which means our first and second choice right wingback are likely to be Quenda and Dalot and this will make Amad’s main position as R10, while he can play as right wingback only if needed due to injuries or chasing the game. So develop him as R10 if that’s the plan.
Overall, we need planning. Everything what we are going to do this January should be connected to what we are going to do or what we are planning in summer and next season.
NERRRD! Amirite @Mr Pigeon? feckin' nerds.
I might agree with this. Nkunku positions are L10 and no 9. On paper, he wouldn’t need more time to adapt to the system and the league in comparison to Tel. For 4 months on loan deal, Nkunku is better for short term deal than Tel. If Nkunku gets injured, the worst case to happen is that we will only need to wait 3 months until his loan contract expired.
Signing 19 years old raw talent like Tel should have some guarantee that he can be part of the long term plan/goal. We need to make sure we know the positions we are going to use him and we need to make sure we can have option to buy.
Let's hope he is better at wrestling than our current #9
I think the hope would be that he potentially comes in and hits the ground running ideally. He's a young player who has a fair bit of pace and power along with the ability to win aerial duels. Also factor in that he really does like to go direct for goal and has good ball striking ability.
I think the formation Amorim is utilising could possibly use him in a couple of positions. The advanced central position on the left is a possibility along with playing alongside a strike partner in a two man striker formation which can easily be tweaked by going with a more convential three man midfield. Also if he is utilised as the central attacker on the left with a wingback providing the width, I think that could also suit him because he'd play that role very differently to the other options because he'd attack the channel and get shots off.
I think the signing potentially provides options and tactical flexibility for Amorim within his own formation.
The key thing for me is that Tel comes in and makes a impression/impact because coming into a new league and environment isn't easy mid way through the season.
That’s because they’re using his stats from last year.
When you mentioned that he could possibly be used in ‘’the advanced central position on the left is a possibility along with playing alongside a strike partner in a two man striker formation which can easily be tweaked by going with a more convential three man midfield’’. By going with more convential three man midfield in order to fit Tel to the team, that’s basically ruling out Amad as R10. So far, Amorim doesn’t seem to have faith playing Amad as wingback unless if we play against the relegation level teams. Why should we be targeting Quenda, if the aim is to play Amad as right wingback?
And when you mentioned, ‘’if he is utilised as the central attacker on the left with a wingback providing the width, I think that could also suit him because he'd play that role very differently to the other options because he'd attack the channel and get shots off.’’ This is something Garnacho has been utilised in this system, which doesn’t solve our attackers issue.
The way how you described sounds like Tel won’t just comes in and hits the ground running, instead:
- Tel would need time to adapt (4 months loan deal isn’t plenty of time to learn and develop especially in mid season), so there is risk if he won’t even have the time to adapt to the new league and new environment.
- Potentially sacrificing some of our talented player just to fit him in.
- He will provide option as the L10 role, which is another raw talented 19 years old player (1 year younger than Garnacho), but it doesn’t solve the lack of goal in our striker and another weak point you have mentioned ‘’the physicality in midfield’’.
Probably explains why Spurs went in for him. They've done the background homework for us hopefully we seal the deal. I'd like us to roll the dice on 2 new strikers for next season.
Almost certain that an experienced striker will be right at the top of priority list for summer. Yes I am worried about who is going to score the goals until then. Think it's very telling we haven't been linked to any actual proven strikers in this window.
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Yes, but also this kid does seem like the kind of talent you go for if you have the opportunity
You should still also go for a ready made striker though