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I still see us finishing fourth with this group of players, especially when Rooney and RVP come back into the side. For next season it is a fullback or two, a midfielder and maybe an out and out winger that will get us back on top again.

If Kagawa can barely get a game and gets shunted out to the left side, then where will Mata go?

Don't get me wrong. I think Mata is a great player. I just also think that Rooney and Kagawa offer plenty already in his best position.

If this transfer goes through, I think it will be more about our club making a statement of intent by splashing some cash than making a decision purely for football reasons. I think the club is looking to lift the mood with a big buy rather than filling our real need in central midfield and at the fullback positions.

The issue is even with Rooney and RVP we lack genuine creativity in the team. Rooney plays as the number 10 and despite his ability to pick a fine pass, I don't rate his creativity at all.

Like I said, we all love to see Adnan picking a slick pass or opening up a defense which Mata excels at and has shown that with incredible consistency. Also, when he did that at Chelsea their CMs were hardly world class either, in fact Carrick alone is much better than what they had and it was Mata who took the responsibility time and again to create chances even if the rest of the team isn't playing that well.

Kagawa is a different type of player, he needs incredible movement around him to excel which we cannot provide, and that is why his best performances come with the likes of Welbeck, Cleverley and Januzaj around him, players who believe in pass and move football.

Mata has a lot more in his locker than being a traditional number 10. He's done really well playing out wide and he will easily be the best crosser in the team if he comes. Moreover he's got the ability to take on players and score, which Kagawa doesn't. He's a lot more versatile than Kagawa.

All he needs is the right tactics and I don't see any reason why he won't be brilliant with us. We need to add fluidity in the game. A front 4 of Mata, Rooney, RVP and Januzaj can provide that and it would bring the best out of them. It is high time we move away from the pumping the ball into the box tactic.
 
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I can't believe people are against this.

We could be signing a world class player. If we need him or not, who cares. At the moment we have too much average.
 
Haven't been following the transfer news.. is this ON?

Mata is a great player but I'm not sure where he fits in.. That said, we don't have enough "big names", so he'd be welcome.

But we need more than him.. We really need to address a couple of other positions... Mata would be a terrific bonus if we can get him
 
The issue is even with Rooney and RVP we lack genuine creativity in the team. Rooney plays as the number 10 and despite his ability to pick a fine pass, I don't rate his creativity at all.

Like I said, we all love to see Adnan picking a slick pass or opening up a defense which Mata excels at and has shown that with incredible consistency. Also, when he did that at Chelsea their CMs were hardly world class either, in fact Carrick alone is much better than what they had and it was Mata who took the responsibility time and again to create chances even if the rest of the team isn't playing that well.

Kagawa is a different type of player, he needs incredible movement around him to excel which we cannot provide, and that is why his best performances come with the likes of Welbeck, Cleverley and Januzaj around him, players who believe in pass and move football.

Mata has a lot more in his locker than being a traditional number 10. He's done really well playing out wide and he will easily be the best crosser in the team if he comes. Moreover he's got the ability to take on players and score, which Kagawa doesn't. He's a lot more versatile than Kagawa.

All he needs is the right tactics and I don't see any reason why he won't be brilliant with us. We need to add fluidity in the game. A front 4 of Mata, Rooney, RVP and Januzaj can provide that and it would bring the best out of them. It is high time we move away from the pumping the ball into the box tactic.

Hard to disagree with any of this and if there's a conclusive argument of why we should all welcome Mata's signing, you just have to look at the ones who are disagreeing with it, the likes of Ekeke.
 
Haven't been following the transfer news.. is this ON?

Mata is a great player but I'm not sure where he fits in.. That said, we don't have enough "big names", so he'd be welcome.

But we need more than him.. We really need to address a couple of other positions... Mata would be a terrific bonus if we can get him


Of course he wouldn't solve our other issues.

But there's not many world class CMs available in January. People saying Cabaye. He's a good player. But we signed Fellaini and it would be underwhelming if him and Cabaye were our two CM signings.
 
I can't believe people are against this.

We could be signing a world class player. If we need him or not, who cares. At the moment we have too much average.


Thats a bit stupid. Imagine if suddenly theres 3 wc strikers available. Should we sign them all??
 
It'd be madness to turn him down.

World-class player, creates chance after chance, hits a lovely dead ball & can give the whole team a massive lift.

Does feel like van Persie all over again, I must say.
 
Thats a bit stupid. Imagine if suddenly theres 3 wc strikers available. Should we sign them all??

We only signing Mata not three players.

Didn't stop Fergie signing RVP and saw the lift he gave the team. Would I sign Mata or an average CM? Mata all day.

None of the world class CMs we want are available now. Also our current players are hardly creative.
 
Fantastic player but another player who in all likelihood is not going to be played in "his" best position.

This "sign worldclass player now and figure out the rest later" might be good in short term but messes up the team balance in longer term. I hope we are signing him because Moyes has plans to utilise him at his best (by having the right style of play, tactic, position) and not just because he is a fantastic player.
 
We only signing Mata not three players.

Didn't stop Fergie signing RVP and saw the lift he gave the team. Would I sign Mata or an average CM? Mata all day.

None of the world class CMs we want are available now. Also our current players are hardly creative.

If we signed rvp when we already had rooney, lewandoski and suarez then that would have been stupid.

I am against this stupid concept of hoarding players we dont need. Mata is a seperate argument
 
36 goals we've scored in the league, that's nearly 20 fewer than our nearest rival for top 4, anyone claiming we're over stocked creatively should look at the facts.
 
Fantastic player but another player who in all likelihood is not going to be played in "his" best position.

This "sign worldclass player now and figure out the rest later" might be good in short term but messes up the team balance in longer term. I hope we are signing him because Moyes has plans to utilise him at his best (by having the right style of play, tactic, position) and not just because he is a fantastic player.

At this moment I think it is fair to say that a short term boost holds a lot of value as 4th place is of paramount importance.
 
If we signed rvp when we already had rooney, lewandoski and suarez then that would have been stupid.

I am against this stupid concept of hoarding players we dont need. Mata is a seperate argument

Who do we have is better at our club than Mata?

Please tell me.
 
If we signed rvp when we already had rooney, lewandoski and suarez then that would have been stupid.

I am against this stupid concept of hoarding players we dont need. Mata is a seperate argument
Not really, we won the treble with four top strikers, each of then as important as the last in the run to it.
 
36 goals we've scored in the league, that's nearly 20 fewer than our nearest rival for top 4, anyone claiming we're over stocked creatively should look at the facts.

Exactly. It also means we'd be getting rid of Young.
 
the prospect of seeing us with a front 4 of van persie, rooney, januzaj and mata is too good to turn down..we got issues at central midfield and even at the back now but mata would instantly add quality to our attack. david moyes needs to change our playing style, and one of the way is to discard valencia and young from our wings, and replace them with more inside and modern wingers like januzaj and mata. that would add a lot of unpredictability into our play, rather than sticking with one dimensional type of players such as valencia. we need to make at least one or two signings this month, just to uplift the team and of course add more quality into the squad. mata fits the bill as he also needs playing time. i know january is not an easy time to buy players, and moyes can only look up to players who are unhappy or not playing much at this moment, with a view for a transfer or even a loan deal. mata and fabio contrerao are 2 names that spring to my mind now.
 
Exactly. It also means we'd be getting rid of Young.
There's another plus, sign this gentleman up please.
The questions just been asked who do we have that's better ? Arguably Rooney but it's an argument you could tear apart in seconds plus it also frees Rooney to get forward. We played some of our most cohesive football when he dropped deeper ( just before his injury) and Mata would provide that link to attack and also the versatility.
Who do we have better than Mata and who could we rotate out of the door that's worse ?
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Imagine how many goals Hernandez would get playin with Mata
Said the same about Kagawa to be fair. We need a proper midfield to help Hernandez as well.
 
Not really, we won the treble with four top strikers, each of then as important as the last in the run to it.

We won the treble with a very balanced and strong side with few/no weaknesses. I dare to say that United current side has a stronger forward line then the treble side. However this team is nowhere near to the treble side
 
:lol: We have Valencia, Young and Nani.
We could have rid of Young and Valencia, keep Nani we can then play a conventional 4-4-2 with Januzaj, to give us real options should we need.

I have gone full muppet on this, the wife is hiding the rope in case it goes tits up. It's had me awake since 5am trawling the web for even the merest hint it's on.
 
We could have rid of Young and Valencia, keep Nani we can then play a conventional 4-4-2 with Januzaj, to give us real options should we need.

I have gone full muppet on this, the wife is hiding the rope in case it goes tits up. It's had me awake since 5am trawling the web for even the merest hint it's on.

Fair play mate! I lost my appetite for muppetry after the Thiago debacle:(
 
We could have rid of Young and Valencia, keep Nani we can then play a conventional 4-4-2 with Januzaj, to give us real options should we need.

I have gone full muppet on this, the wife is hiding the rope in case it goes tits up. It's had me awake since 5am trawling the web for even the merest hint it's on.

:lol:

I was the same!
 
:lol: We have Valencia, Young and Nani.

Which kindly prove my point. The strategy of hoarding strikers while totally disregarding other areas has brought us in this sorry state. Lets face it rvp-rooney are probably the strongest striker partnership we had throughout SAF reign
 
Which kindly prove my point. The strategy of hoarding strikers while totally disregarding other areas has brought us in this sorry state. Lets face it rvp-rooney are probably the strongest striker partnership we had throughout SAF reign


How the hell does it prove your point. All three of them are average and not world class.

Two of them most likely will be out the door in the summer.
 
When we signed Van Persie, where you arguing for it or against it?

I had mixed feelings. Rvp is a fantastic player but we needed to strenghten the midfield. Also at his age he didnt represented value for money.

There again i dont blame saf for getting him. The man deserved to leave on high and rvp provided that
 
How the hell does it prove your point. All three of them are average and not world class.

Two of them most likely will be out the door in the summer.

Read the post again
 
Read the post again

I have. You thinking because we have Valencia, Young and Nani that we shouldn't sign Mata. :lol:

We been crying out for creativity for a long time. And Mata would give our strikers that.
 
Anyone saying we don't need Mata should have their head vigourously shaken. It's tantamount to being a heterosexual man and saying you don't need to have sex with Megan Fox.

He's a world class player, he's a great age, he's PL proven, he's a prolific scorer and creator and he'd add much needed variety to our play.

Most importantly, he'd have a majorly galvanising effect on the squad. He's got a terrific attitude as well.
 
We won the treble with a very balanced and strong side with few/no weaknesses. I dare to say that United current side has a stronger forward line then the treble side. However this team is nowhere near to the treble side

So let's not improve it by bringing in players better than we already have, great logic ! Please tell me who in our current squad is going to keep Mata on the bench and then explain the reason you would be so attached to the £30-40m that would otherwise line a rich yanks pocket. Strength in depth won that squad the treble, balanced strong, match fit, Nicky Butt was a force that night in Barcelona.

Just disagreeing with you makes any point right by default.
 
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