There are so many of those, for instance two Daniel Sturridges cost less than one Marouane Fellaini, it's best not to remind ourselves of our embarrassing transfer dealings of late, lets just pretend they didn't happen.
Mata | Mourinho says it's just a Mata of time
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
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There are so many of those, for instance two Daniel Sturridges cost less than one Marouane Fellaini, it's best not to remind ourselves of our embarrassing transfer dealings of late, lets just pretend they didn't happen.
I think his reported popularity at Chelsea might fit in the pro column, if he asks to leave they'll hopefully be less inclined to stand in his way.
This is a good point. Mourinho loves loaning people around to strengthen sides that can nick points off rivals, this winds up being quite similar. Sad they would see it that way, but I'll take it!
Fergie made a lot of questionable signings in the last few years. See Young, Valencia, Berbatov, Hargreaves, Anderson, Owen, Bebe, Obertan...the list is long.
they will sell to us. they don't see us title challengers this season. selling us players will improve us... and hopefully allow us to beat their title rivals. mourinho isn't in it for the long haul. he wants titles now. 40mil suits him.
This has the potential to be even more exciting than the Fellaini signing.
Valencia was great when he first came to United.
Berbatov scored a hattrick against LIverpool that included an overhead kick.
Hargreaves was an important part of the double winning side of 2008.
Owen scored a 96th minute winner against City.
Don't care what else they did (or didn't do) in a United shirt.
Signing Valencia to replace Ronaldo was never going to be enough. It was a massive step down in quality.
Berbatov was overprice and a flop.
Hargreaves was injury prone and average.
Owen was just shit.
A few good moments doesn't make a signing good.
Add to that, Owen was free. Obertain cost 3M, all of which we recouped. Anderson was rated as one of the opt prospects in world football when he came (and had a great first season). Young is Young.
Doesn't make it a total loss, though. I really liked Berbatov tbh.
Do you lot see a 'Kagawa or Mata' situation or your foresee them possibly playing together to offer tactical dexterity and more creativity upfront, behind the main striker?
Agree.
We should have been paid to take Obertan in fairness!
He's clearly a talented fecker, but nowhere near as good as Fergie wanted him to be, or thought he was. He got blinded by a shiny new striker imo, and £30 million was ridiculous.
I understand that teams like PSG can outbid United aswel as being a preferable destination for Chelsea..
But am I the only one who thinks they wouldn't outbid us? Infact, if he doesnt move to us in January and he moves abroad I would doubt that Chelsea could break even and get the 24m they paid for him.
Im not sure they'd even get 20m for a wantaway player who is surplus to requirements.
But am I the only one who thinks they wouldn't outbid us? Infact, if he doesnt move to us in January and he moves abroad I would doubt that Chelsea could break even and get the 24m they paid for him.
Im not sure they'd even get 20m for a wantaway player who is surplus to requirements.
They got £18 + add ons for De Bruyne. They will easily get £30m for Mata.
I think we're the only team willing to buy him now to be honest. And Chelsea would know they wouldn't get as much if they sell abroad in the summer.
Based on what? I think there will be plenty of interest in him either now or in the summer. I struggle to see any scenario where Mata goes for below £35m and I think they could fetch that now or in the summer. I think you're looking at it very optimistically, which is fair enough, but I don't think you're the only club that will show interest.
Also, doesn't a received transfer fee comply with the Financial Fair Play in terms of being reinvested? Chelsea badly need a striker...
Fair point. On reflection it's a ridiculously low number for a player of his quality - but I'm not sure why I just don't think it screams big money.
Honestly though, I think that United is probably a more preferable destination for Mata than PSG.
It helps in his bid to get Rooney, he can use it to feed his ego, he can spin this as a brave risk, where he wasn't afraid to sell one of his best players to a rival etc.etc.
Remember this?
He'd be another to add to the list of players Mourinho was brave enough to let leave.
He wants out, if the press are to believed. There's an abundance of attacking midfield players in world football now. He wouldn't get into Madrid or Barcelona's side. Bayern and Dortmund I can't see going for him. Italy probably couldn't fund a move for him. Leaving ourselves and the French sugar daddy's really. I don't think PSG would be as pushed to bring him now, just looking at their squad. Chelsea's and Mata's options are a bit limited right now.
I woke with the muppet bubbling in me... So are we signing him then? Whats the progress?
I wouldn't exactly say you particularly need him at the moment either looking at your squad. I wouldn't have said Bayern needed Thiago, I wouldn't have said Arsenal needed Ozil, I wouldn't have said Chelsea needed Schurrle, I wouldn't have said Barcelona needed Neymar. I'd argue all of these players were signed when the squads have more pressing needs or already have a surplus of players in their position. It hasn't stopped them being signed.
Yeah. Also, I don't think it necessarily means we will give them Rooney in summer or for that matter sell him abroad. Our stand on Rooney has been polar opposite to Chelsea's on Mata (though not explicitly made clear by Chelsea side). If anything, this will give Rooney the assurance that we can still sign big players and he will be ready to sign contract extension even if we miss out on CL. Worse case, he wants to leave, we can sell him abroad and we have a creative player, 4 years younger signed up already.
Let's see how it pans out. For now, all eyes on getting Mata signed up
A friend who is ITK has told me that he will be at OT today but wearing a mask. Watch out!
We need the lift more than anything. Look at Özil's effect at Arsenal.
Yeah. Also, I don't think it necessarily means we will give them Rooney in summer or for that matter sell him abroad. Our stand on Rooney has been polar opposite to Chelsea's on Mata (though not explicitly made clear by Chelsea side). If anything, this will give Rooney the assurance that we can still sign big players and he will be ready to sign contract extension even if we miss out on CL. Worse case, he wants to leave, we can sell him abroad and we have a creative player, 4 years younger signed up already.
Let's see how it pans out. For now, all eyes on getting Mata signed up
I'm sure Rooney will be chuffed at having more competition for his place. It wouldn't surprise me to see you sign Mata, but should it happen I think Rooney is as good as gone.
Any one of the Spanish clubs in the title race could use a similar lift.
Incidentally, how do Liverpool fans feel about Mata to United? Reckon it could effect the race for fourth spot?
Why would it be competition to Rooney's place? Mata can be deployed on left.RvP
Mata-Rooney-Januzaj
This front 4 can interchange positions throughout the game. Don't think Rooney will have problem with it.
You thinking or you hoping Rooney is as good as gone?
Does he have some relative working at United's restaurant, tea garden, toilets?
I'd hand it over to you if that happened. I'd cry.
There's no big club in world football that currently needs a lift more than United, I know that.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jan/21/chelsea-manchester-united-juan-mata
Chelsea and Manchester United agree provisional £40m deal for Juan Mata
Chelsea and Manchester United agree provisional £40m deal for Juan Mata
Let's look at it this way. If we don't sign some class player like Mata and end up languishing in the league + missing out on CL, what's our leverage on Rooney?
So one step at a time. If Mata is available now, get him. And deal with Rooney later.
So one step at a time. If Mata is available now, get him. And deal with Rooney later.
Either of the Milans.
Does he have some relative working at United's restaurant, tea garden, toilets?
I heard De Gea is his brother from another father and mother. Don't think how it works out, but it is true for sure. Again, ITK friend told me.
ffs! I am going home from office if true!
True actually, admittedly I don't pay much attention to Serie A.
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