Just had a quick look at The Shed End's Mata thread, a lot of "anyone but United" comments in there. Why exactly?
Mata | Mourinho says it's just a Mata of time
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Probably because they're sick of us winning things, and finishing ahead of them in the league.
Arsenal's POTY, then Chelsea's POTY. My money's on Yaya Toure as our next signing.
Anyone but us though? It's probably better for Chelsea that Mata came here over Arsenal/City/Liverpool/Spurs.
It's a strange one. I've got very mixed feelings probably due to how likeable Mata is. He deserves to play every week. He's absolutely class, however I trust Mourinho to know what he is doing. I can't see any proper benefit in selling to United though. I'd be sad to see him go but happy he would be playing every week.
I'm hoping that United are being strung along and on 31st of January We release a statement saying we don't sell to rivals.
I also do not want Rooney at all.
Rvp, Rooney, Mata, Kagawa, Januzaj. Does that not scare the shit out of you if you're an opposition fan? Granted we are weak in other areas but we will inevitably fix those as well in the summer.
They despise us. Search that thread for Redcafe mentions.
Anyone but United just means a foreign team really.
Left back as well, please. If we're letting Fabio go on loan to Freiburg, then there has to be at least one LB coming in.
Not really, Fabio wasn't getting game time anyway and Buttner is still here.
In the video, he shakes hands with Gill and Ferguson with Woodward walking up at the tail end for a handshake.
I don't care whose hand he shook first or any petty bullshit like that. There's only a handful of you on here that could turn this potential deal into a negative.
I bet if it doesn't come off you'll blame Woodward. At the end of the day, if he's got resources available to him (Fergie and Gill) that can help get the deal done then why not use them?
Because they are such a plastic club they haven't had time to form true rivals, so somehow they think we fit that gap.
There's talk about more money to be spent before the deadline, people like Cabaye.
I hate talk. Let's get this deal done, eh? PLEASE.
I hate talk. Let's get this deal done, eh? PLEASE.
Because we're down and they'd rather we were out. Signing Mata would be an indicator that we're looking to rebuild with top quality.
Anyone but United, as they say. I'm that way when it comes to baseball, anyone but the Yankees. We win so often, if you're not a fan, you're sick to death of us.
To be honest I was looking for some feedback from Chelsea fans.
Reading the Shed End thread on him and speaking to the many Chelsea fans I know, they'd all be so upset and angry if they sold Mata to us even though they all think he deserves to be playing week in week out at a club. This makes me question whether Jose will go against the supporter's feelings like that. My cock is back in.
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Don't give Mourinho gives a flying feck about what fan's on the internet think. Besides, the fan's trust him.
Still got a horrible feeling something exactly along those lines is going to happen
I really can't understand the people who say 'this isn't the signing we need' - 'he doesn't fix our problems'.
I don't think there's one player in the world who could solve our 'problems', but Mata goes a good way to doing it.
Yes, we need a world class midfielder - I agree, we all do, everybody fecking knows it. However, teams who can create from elsewhere can definitely place less importance on their midfield. Chelsea's defensive midfielders aren't of great standard but the players infront of them can make things happen so they don't need to.
He can carry the ball, keep it in tight spaces and both create and score. In terms of contribution he is as good as anybody.
I don't think it does. Fans don't rate our players like we do, and I don't think that fans are ever 'scared' of playing United. Fans are usually up for it, they might not expect anything but even then they'd attribute it to refs favours, luck or if we're fortunate - efficiency. Plus, Januzaj is too young and Kagawa hasn't really showed anything to scare fans this season unfortunately.
I think it's more for a hatred of United and United fans. They are hoping to see United fall away and no longer challenge so for them to give us who they probably believe is their best player (definitely one of) would annoy them somewhat in the short term.
Mourinho can do whatever the feck he wants at Chelsea though pretty much. United aren't going to win the title this season, the fans will have forgotten all about this next season.
I don't think there's one player in the world who could solve our 'problems', but Mata goes a good way to doing it.
Yes, we need a world class midfielder - I agree, we all do, everybody fecking knows it. However, teams who can create from elsewhere can definitely place less importance on their midfield. Chelsea's defensive midfielders aren't of great standard but the players infront of them can make things happen so they don't need to.
He can carry the ball, keep it in tight spaces and both create and score. In terms of contribution he is as good as anybody.
I don't think it does. Fans don't rate our players like we do, and I don't think that fans are ever 'scared' of playing United. Fans are usually up for it, they might not expect anything but even then they'd attribute it to refs favours, luck or if we're fortunate - efficiency. Plus, Januzaj is too young and Kagawa hasn't really showed anything to scare fans this season unfortunately.
I think it's more for a hatred of United and United fans. They are hoping to see United fall away and no longer challenge so for them to give us who they probably believe is their best player (definitely one of) would annoy them somewhat in the short term.
Mourinho can do whatever the feck he wants at Chelsea though pretty much. United aren't going to win the title this season, the fans will have forgotten all about this next season.
What's the latest then?
It's been reported that United and Chelsea are deep in negotiations. Chelsea are willing to sell. Mourinho will allegedly only sell if Mata confirms his desire to leave. Apparently senior figures within United are confident it'll be a done deal in the next twenty-four hours.
Dam you red cafe, now you have made me believe this is happening.
It's not just fans on the internet, I've spoken to matchgoing fans that think the same..
Büttner is not an able replacement for Evra (who himself has been a level below his usual standard lately). He has been responsible for us conceding a goal pretty much every time he's been on the pitch.
Shit, you've got my muppet juices flowing
Creativity has been as big a problem this season as anything else in midfield, so Mata in for whichever position Valencia or Young takes up most weeks would be a great improvement, no matter what else we need. If nothing else, it means teams can't just shut down one flank of our pitch and effectively neutralise us as an attacking threat. Hope it happens but won't be devastated if it doesn't, much like the van Persie signing, so long as that's the calibre of player we bring in over the summer in all the positions we lack in.
Did you actually just make that up. Very Convincing. Muppet's dream you are...
So the club will again throw money at an attacking player yet flop around on solving the central midfield crisis.
That's all been reported on Tuesday. Haven't made up any of it.
If we get the right man in the summer then who gives a feck? If it's a choice between Cabaye now or Vidal/Gundogan or Koke type players in the summer then I know what I'd prefer.
I can't believe this has me on Redcafe at 3am on a wednesday morning...
Thiago was just infatuation, but this? This is love.
Thiago was just infatuation, but this? This is love.
Lots of guile but we still need to get the ball to them. But as the Chelski match showed, we are horrible at organising defences.
Will Mata be in the crowd tonight? I'm super excited.
Beginnings of the new Holy Trinity Mark 2.1?
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If we sign Mata I think this place will have a communal e-wankathon. Biggest circle jerk in redcafe history.
Well, except for Marcello
Summer 2011. Chelsea sign Mata. We sign Young for only 5 million less, and he is 3 years older. Discuss.
Pros and cons about the likelyhood of this deal
Pro's:
+Mata needs regular first team football if he wants to break into the world cup squad, he can't get that at Chelsea. He might lose his place to players like Koke, Pedro and Costa if he doesn't get time
+40 million pounds goes some small way towards FFP for Chelea
+We aren't contenders for the league this season, we can't face Chelsea in any competition and use Mata against them this season
Cons:
-Mata will miss out on the opportunity of winning the league this season. A league title is something that's missing from his impressive medal collection
-Chelsea were completely rejected when it came to us selling Rooney, will they want to deal with us?
-Chelsea fans will be infuriated, Mourinho doesn't want something like this derailing his title challenge
-PSG and other clubs can offer more and are abroad, more importantly to Chelsea
Pro's:
+Mata needs regular first team football if he wants to break into the world cup squad, he can't get that at Chelsea. He might lose his place to players like Koke, Pedro and Costa if he doesn't get time
+40 million pounds goes some small way towards FFP for Chelea
+We aren't contenders for the league this season, we can't face Chelsea in any competition and use Mata against them this season
Cons:
-Mata will miss out on the opportunity of winning the league this season. A league title is something that's missing from his impressive medal collection
-Chelsea were completely rejected when it came to us selling Rooney, will they want to deal with us?
-Chelsea fans will be infuriated, Mourinho doesn't want something like this derailing his title challenge
-PSG and other clubs can offer more and are abroad, more importantly to Chelsea
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