Also something that gives me proper optimism for this is that 37m is a proper, realistic offer that I could see Chelsea accepting. They don't use him as anything more then a squad player, and as good as he is, 37m is loads of money, something they could use to help fund for a striker. It's not like in the summer when we were offering pathetically low amounts that everyone laughed away. If we do offer this I can see Chelsea seriously considering it.
Mata | Mourinho says it's just a Mata of time
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
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Ronaldo is pretty much the only one of those wingers who doesnt work hin bollocks off.
As I see it, if we press high enough and well enough we shouldnt need our wingers to drop back to beside our full backs every time we lose the ball.
Hey, I'm not saying we shouldn't buy him.
I'm sure he can pass accurately out to the wings at the earliest opportunity.
Yeah, what Mata contributes is being able to keep the football, which is much more important. The other team can't score if they don't have the ball. No point playing Young on the basis of supposedly defending well when he's giving the ball away everytime he gets it
Yeah we couldn't ever play him centrally as a No10 when everyone's fit. Agree with that.
Juan's obviously given up on trying to score against DDG. 
We could buy a proper midfielder. But heh...
Apart from England.
City seem to do ok, but their midfield actually has moving parts.
Well yeah. Forgot to mention City... Nasri, Silva and Navas or Aguero are hardly work horses defensively now are they
You always hear they won't help out, or playing Nani here is defensively suicide, but they're no worse then Valencia or Young defensively! The latter 2 are just thought to be better defensively because they don't do much on the other end of the pitch so they greatly exaggerate their defensive abilities.
Well true, but it's not like Mata is lazier then any of those players? He works hard as well most of the time, and is a world class player who just doesn't suit Mourinho's style (or rather, he prefers Oscar there who is also a brilliant player).
Play him in exactly the same way that Silva plays for City.
This is almost proper muppetry again. BTW if anyone sees Jeston or Olly tell them to piss off. Their wonderful gifs are now nothing but bad omens for transfers.
If we sign Mata it means Kagawa is on this way.
Well yeah. Forgot to mention City... Nasri, Silva and Navas or Aguero are hardly work horses defensively now are they
You always hear they won't help out, or playing Nani here is defensively suicide, but they're no worse then Valencia or Young defensively! The latter 2 are just thought to be better defensively because they don't do much on the other end of the pitch so they greatly exaggerate their defensive abilities.
pretty much. Valencia has been pretty average defensively this season too.
As much as I rate Shinji, I think the writing might already been on the wall for him here. If Dortmund come back with a half decent offer, I can see him leaving.
Just had a scene in my head where Jeston and Olly are approached and told to piss off randomly while they look on bemused.
Yeah, I agree with your point, just a few bad examples.
He'd be like Silva at City if we stuck him on the left, only he seems faster than Silva. I would absolutely love this to happen.
*old man's voice* I remember excitement...
GNev
If Woody has any sense he'll dangle him like a Japanese carrot and enquire about young Ilkay...
Yes, an attacking midfielder! We can play him wide left. Solve some serious issues.
Why do that, when we could just bring Scholes back again?
Seriously though, I'd say that our wingers wouldn't look half as shit if we had a proper midfielder pinging balls out to them, exactly the way Scholsey did. Unfortunately, CM's of that quality are almost impossible to sign right now.
Yeah I saw that. Completely agree with Carragher there as well. Although on what Neville says, I don't think we'll continue to play a flat midfield formation and 2 strikers like we've done this season past the summer. Moyes has been moving Rooney deeper and deeper anyways, so a fluid trio of Rooney, Mata and Januzaj behind RVP is very possible and has huge potential.
I don't know a single United fan that wants to see us continue to play a 442 at this time. No one. Of all signals that we intend to change styles and actually get a style this is the biggest possible one.
Agree with what Carragher said about playing Jones at CB and the fact that we probably won't actually need 7 or so players even though it looks that way now. Also, signing Mata would certainly raise the suspicion that Rooney is off, unless we're moving away from using out and out wingers.
Independent now reporting we are making a bid.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...--but-decision-is-jose-mourinhos-9073307.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...--but-decision-is-jose-mourinhos-9073307.html
Now Sam Wallace and Ian Herbert have done a joint story about the bid. Why can't just one of them write these fecking things?
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...--but-decision-is-jose-mourinhos-9073307.html
We haven't got goodn renough midfielders to play 442.
So £37m is the figure that United's intermediaries have been told it will take to get Mata in January.
The journo just on Talksprt seemed to think that there would be a bid in the next few days if this is legit.
The journo just on Talksprt seemed to think that there would be a bid in the next few days if this is legit.
Also linking us with Moreno?
37m seems a very precise figure. Has this all come from one source?
That's my biggest hope, not that we are maybe just signing a great player. That this is the sort of player that might signal a change from our dinosaur formation and into a modern one. You cannot pin Mata down into a rigid position like we seem to do with all players, you have to let him be free and do his thing. 35 assists last season tells you what he brings to a side when allowed to be free. So unless we are going to let him play like he did last season then it's a pointless transfer. Mourinho wants his players regimented and machine like and that's not Mata's game.
Must be. Unusual for pretty much ever paper to be leading with the story and having precise information.
The journos have heard something, there's too much smoke for them all to be reporting it. Usually you'll see a bullshit made up story in one of them that nobody bats an eyelid at, but this is now in all of them.
This is all bullshit isnt it? i mean the Mirror says no so it must be bullshit
Hope we offer £12m just to see everyone on here go mental.
This seems pretty strange, 37 mln quid, Mata, so many sources reporting it, Neville and Carragher talking about him, Mourinho not playing him and his post-match comment, Woodward being 5 feet deep inside Roman's ass. I mean, it's all theorycrafting and a lot of coincidence going on, but damn, could it really be on?
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