It's been said, you can make a case for Ozil and Mata being better than the other and Ozil, has shone in England. Despite his habit of going missing from time to time. But Carzola over Mata is just not happening! Mata is a much better and intelligent player....And I'd say that if he was still staying at Chelsea
Mata | Mourinho says it's just a Mata of time
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
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It's been said, you can make a case for Ozil and Mata being better than the other and Ozil, has shone in England. Despite his habit of going missing from time to time. But Carzola over Mata is just not happening! Mata is a much better and intelligent player....And I'd say that if he was still staying at Chelsea
Muppets watching a few minutes highlights of Arsenal games and failing to appreciate what Özil brings to the table.
There's no need to be so dramatic in the argument(hypocritical, I know).
Cazorla's best attribute is his intelligence. His touch is also ridiculous. Mata's more direct though - he'll score more goals and get more assists. That said, you could argue that Cazorla's goals and assists were what got us top four last season.
Cazorla's best attribute is his intelligence. His touch is also ridiculous. Mata's more direct though - he'll score more goals and get more assists. That said, you could argue that Cazorla's goals and assists were what got us top four last season.
Can't wait for the Ozil vs Mata thread.
'Sarcasm'
'Sarcasm'
Or, Arsenal diehards trying to talk bollocks about a United signing not being as good as he is made out to be. Again
Why do Arsenal fans care so much about this?
I'm still operating under the assumption this is going to go tits up. No point worrying myself.
Enlighten us.
I assume he's going to go to Atletico Madrid or somewhere else at the last minute.
Guy on a United FB page just posted this:
"Goodnight fellow Red Devils...Make sure you get some sleep, tomorrow is a big day. Mata will be unveiled!"
I had to laugh
Watch the fecking games and work it out for yourself Genius.
He's a very good player who, if utilised correctly(which I think is really the crucial thing here), will be an inevitable success. I also don't think United have particularly overpaid, given it's January.
At least you'll now find out if the reason that Kagawa has been such an underwhelming signing is because of the management or because of him.
EDIT - an article that had the potential to be pretentious but was actually very good on what Ozil brings to Arsenal.
http://arseblog.com/
If we get RVP and Rooney fit, they'll absolutely love the service they'll get from him. Even someone like Chicharito will benefit so much from his intelligent passing.
We're seriously lacking someone who can unlock the door and Mata really will be an absolute immense signing.
What you talking about? Moyes has the ability to turn Mata into a top class defensive winger.....Sadly
Cazorla has never shown the same level as Mata has done last year - that's a fact.
In the last three years including this one Cazorla has 123 games (or starts, no idea which from the ESPN stats), 34 goals, 22 assists.
Mata has 133 games, 41 goals, 56 assists. It's not even close.
In comparison Ozil has 146 games, 38 goals, 74 assists.
Just like Fellaini eh?
Ah, I just remembered your nick. Explains everything!
If Moyes breaks our transfer record to bring in the best offensive playmaker in the Prem and then sticks him out wide, in a season we're we struggled with creativity in the final thid, then all hope is lost. He's officially beyond retarded and has nothing to do as a manager then. It made sense to play Kagawa on the wing for 2 reasons: 1) He was cheap. 2) He worked out fine under Fergie. Mata is not only a proven AM in the PL, but he's also 3 times as expensive as Kagawa. The AM position should therefore go to Mata, no matter what(no pun intended). If not, then it's almost pointless to sign him.
Rooney and RVP should have to fight for the striker position, or one of them must be played on the wing. I prefer the former.
I've always thought Ozil was overrated, well before he joined Arsenal. I mean, he's clearly good, but he's a level below AC Milan Kaka v.1 in my opinion, and the manner he is spoken of is like he is that kind of good.
What??????
That doesn't even make sense!! Were you here that night he signed?? The board shit itself with disappointment!
And I hate the fecker!!
FFS, can a player join United without needy rival fans having to convince us/themselves that they've already got a better player.
Who gives a feck? The difference is negligible even if one is better than the other.
Who gives a feck? The difference is negligible even if one is better than the other.
Don't flatter yourselves.
She looks like burnt toast
A lot of people were very excited about Fellaini. A lot of people got the man they wanted. Yes really.
I cant think of 2 more different situations and players than Fellaini and Mata though.
I cant think of 2 more different situations and players than Fellaini and Mata though.
One thing must be said though, Chelsea and (to an extent) City fans, haven't been as bad this year....But Christ on a bike, Arsenal fans have become unbearable.
Who are these people? And why weren't they punished?
Well that's the same.
It's not Chelsea and City fans for me but Arsenal fans seem to need to tell the world that their player in whatever position is the best in the league.
Let's not be silly. It was a compliment. In lieu of any proper rivalry for your club, we all know you view United as your biggest rival, bad season or not. Hence your presence on this board.
"Caz we play da best facking futbal in da world don' we'? Ain' it? Hav' it!!"
No. The best team going forward would be Mata on the right. He played there several times for Valencia and has done it many times for Chelsea. But he won't be playing as a winger just cutting in from the right. I think that will clearly be the strongest side.
Ah, I just remembered your nick. Explains everything!
If Moyes breaks our transfer record to bring in the best offensive playmaker in the Prem and then sticks him out wide, in a season we're we struggled with creativity in the final thid, then all hope is lost. He's officially beyond retarded and has nothing to do as a manager then. It made sense to play Kagawa on the wing for 2 reasons: 1) He was cheap. 2) He worked out fine under Fergie. Mata is not only a proven AM in the PL, but he's also 3 times as expensive as Kagawa. The AM position should therefore go to Mata, no matter what(no pun intended). If not, then it's almost pointless to sign him.
Rooney and RVP should have to fight for the striker position, or one of them must be played on the wing. I prefer the former.
Not saying we play that for all games but I think that would be the strongest side going forward.
He won't be playing that lineup IMO, mainly because 3 out of that front 4 don't defend. I think Mata coming in will essentially mean that Januzaj goes back to the bench for now.
It'll probably be when everyone is fit
Valencia-----Rooney------Mata
--------------RVP
Ozil is perhaps more of the magician though, as I haven't yet seen Mata match Ozil's vanishing act in big games.
It's only just occurred to me that Mata is Spanish. Like, born in Spain, learnt how to pass at a young age and how to look up and things like that. He's played for the Spanish NT too.
We're getting out own little Spaniard. I'm so excited!
We're getting out own little Spaniard. I'm so excited!
I'm here because it's a good forum, not because I wet myself every night at the prospect of David Moyes' United looming on the horizon.Spurs are our rivals come rain or shine. City are our competitive rivals this year.
Having 8 players on the pitch that do defensive work isn't enough?
Do you actually like our team? All you ever do is whinge.
Not when teams attack with overlapping fullbacks and you have two wide players who don't track back effectively.
A good Man United forum. Your biggest rivals. For you anyway.
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