Definitely I think, unless Rooney won't sign a new contract and is off in the summer.
If Moyes has any indication that this will happen - its entirely possible - then Mata would be a perfect replacement.
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Definitely I think, unless Rooney won't sign a new contract and is off in the summer.
If Moyes has any indication that this will happen - its entirely possible - then Mata would be a perfect replacement.
So would I, but I would have said the same about Wenger letting RVP come to United
Mourinho is more cunning than Wenger though! And we refused to sell Rooney to Chelsea. I'd really would be amazed.
RVP coming to Arsenal was more about Arsenal and United respective ambitions at the time.
Chelsea are currently close to the top whilst United are not, in terms of that it would represent a step down for Mata.
I think he will go abroad, maybe on loan in January. Again I would rather we hung onto him untill the summer though, he will be very useful when FA cup/League and CL games come thick and fast. I have a feeling we'll see him vs Derby at the weekend.
Chelsea are currently close to the top whilst United are not, in terms of that it would represent a step down for Mata.
I think he will go abroad, maybe on loan in January. Again I would rather we hung onto him untill the summer though, he will be very useful when FA cup/League and CL games come thick and fast. I have a feeling we'll see him vs Derby at the weekend.
He'd be moving to a big club.
Not really. We didn't here you lot saying that at the start of the season when you wanted Rooney.
If it's a case of wanting first team football to stay in contention for a seat on the plane to Brazil, I'm certain he'd surrender the title challenge for any club in/chasing CL football offering a first team role.
But I don't think any move will happen now anyway. Typical of January, write the convenient story...nothing happens.
Don't see why Chelsea would sell to anyone in the Premier League either.
But I don't think any move will happen now anyway. Typical of January, write the convenient story...nothing happens.
Don't see why Chelsea would sell to anyone in the Premier League either.
It's true that Chelsea are in a better position than United at the moment, but that's by no means certain to be permanent - without Ferguson on the scene, it's the most dynamic league we've seen in years and United could easily usurp Chelsea within the next year or two, as unlikely as it seems right now. I very much doubt that Mata would view a move to United as a step down - he strikes me as someone sensible enough to realise that we're a big power and his sort of calibre of player could elevate us back to the top.
As I've discussed with you before, Mata's been treated pretty criminally by Mourinho, but your manager has enough credit in the bank to get away with it. It's shoddy that you're talking about him in terms of coming in for a game against a Championship side.
Anyway, it's all academic, as Mourinho won't sell to us. Would be interesting if Mata indicated us as a preference.
Well we didnt know what effects the respective changes would have on the teams back then.
In terms of which club is looking more likely to be challenging at the top right now you would say Chelsea. A club like United have bene winning things season in season out.
Its obvious RVP left Arsenal for United because Arsenal weren't looking like fulfilling his desire to win things.
These things take time. I'd doubt if we suddenly found out he was available and able to conclude the deal within a matter of days.
Even if we hadn't had the whole Rooney saga during the summer. PSG and Monaco give Chelsea an easy way of selling him for top dollar without strengthening a domestic rival. Though I can see him going on loan to an Italian club, for some reason.
I know what you mean but its a pretty good luxury a player of Matas quality to come in fairly fresh to make banana skin results less likely.
Hes been pretty professional about it too, when he has played in the COC hes been good.
It's brilliant to have that sort of player on the bench, as it indicates ridiculous strength in depth. Problem is, that quality of player doesn't stick around to be a reserve for long.
He's always come across as a fantastic professional and person - expected nothing else but for him to get his head down and apply himself despite being in the wilderness.
But ..But..Mata and Coentrao are both registered for the champions league right?
The Benzema thread, the Fabregas thread, the Thiago thread, the Hazard thread......I must have missed a good few more. Not happening.
bloody hate the january window...we never do anything...and probably with good reason..but the speculaton does my head in..
Doesnt matter, we need a player like Mata and even if he isnt available for this champions league he can still help make sure we make the top 4 in the EPL so we are in for next years.
Silva for Spain plays more wide than in the middle... so I would put him in that Hazard, Isco category. And I think it's more about the team's style than the individual position of the player.
Take this for example. Playing out wide for Utd and out wide for Arsenal are two very different propositions. The likes of Ramsey, Carzola, Ozil and Wilshere have played in that wing forward role plenty of times this season because of the abundance of AMs they have (i.e. they've all been rotated). But they've still been pretty effective.
So the important thing is the system IMO. I mean Mata would fit in 'out wide' at Arsenal I have no doubts about that. I do think we need a new LB and possibly even a RB that gives us a lot of width though and hope Moyes changes the way we play over time.
I think he'll move abroad. If there's any chance that we can get him though, I'd go all in for him. He's the type of player that would take us from top 4 to title contenders.
Disagree on Silva being in that category, he has always seemed better centrally be it for Spain, Valencia or City. I agree he can be pretty effective there - as you rightly say about the Arsenal midfielders - but there is still a drop off, as there is for Ramsey or whoever else.
Yeah the system can help, no question.
Oh yeah, I definitely agree there is a drop off but I don't think the drop off is that big. I think it says more about the player if they can't be used in more than one position as an attacking player.
Personally, I'm sick of the argument 'he is at his best as a 10'. Honestly, most attacking players probably are - very little defensive contribution required, no pressure to get goals and free to exercise as much creativity as you want, don't have to track players on the flanks etc etc.
The problem is those who play next to him.
As I keep pointing out, I think you're living in a fantasy world if you think Chelsea will sell Mata to us. Just because we're having a bad season doesn't mean we still aren't their rivals. Just like we wouldn't sell any of our players to them, neither will they sell to us. Just use a pinch of common sense and put away the transfer muppet hat for a moment and you'll see i'm talking sense.
Also Mourinho was stupid enough to spend 66million in the summer on players they didn't really need. I'm pretty sure 66million would give you a world class striker... so perhaps Mourinho should keep quiet about his wishes for a Striker eh? Spend his money a bit more wisely.
All depends if they were players he asked for. Roman has form for forcing players on managers.
At no stage have I said that its a forgone conclusion that they would. The fact is that if the player wants to leave he'll have a say in where he goes. If he was a key player for Chelsea, as Rooney was for United in the summer, then things would evidently be different. As it is the manager doesnt seem to want, or need him, nor seemingly rate him all that much given his standing in the squad.
Mourinho clearly doesnt think he can fit into Chelsea's system - so the player probably knows he needs to move on, be it now or in the summer. Chelsea may prefer to move him on abroad but it all depends which clubs come in and what options he has. He may want a move to France or wherever, but he also may not - and of the clubs in England, as it stands, United would be easier for Chelsea to swallow that Spurs or Arsenal.
People never thought Arsenal would sell RVP to United - but he instigated the move and seemingly refused to entertain a move elsewhere. Fact is players usually get what they want. Rooney stayed this summer but I suspect, had Chelsea made a big enough bid he'd have been able to go.
All I'm saying is that the club should be looking to bring in players of his quality - and if he's available, why not try?
The only way we'd stand a chance is dependent on the Rooney situation. It seems to me Rooney won't sign a new contract as he's looking for one big payday at the end of his career, which means that United will probably be looking to get rid in the Summer (obviously at a reduced fee ala RVP).
The question would then be what is better for United - Rooney for one more season (14/15) or Mata for the foreseeable future?
The question would then be what is better for United - Rooney for one more season (14/15) or Mata for the foreseeable future?
If Rooney wants money from us we'll give him money. I think it'll be more down to a combination of Champions League football and quality signings to assure him we're not a spent force and he's not better off elsewhere which if we take off our rose tinted specs, he probably is.
Do you think we will break any kind of wage structure to offer him say £300k a week, in addition to an 8 figure signing on fee? This is the kind of package which will be on offer at Chelsea/City.
I think it's pretty evident from Rooney's past that his remuneration is his only concern.
We've broken the wage structure for him before and I think an 8 figure signing on fee is a bit of a stretch from any club.
I think its clear that he wants a move away to London (Chelsea). Absolutely no chance of it happening though - Chelsea would be walking the league if they had a competent striker
Moyes deserves huge credit for getting him back to fitness and good form, though we have seen the return of the angry side of Rooney - a sign that he would prefer to be elsewhere IMO
It's possible but I personally can't see him being paid significantly more than RVP. If he leaves on a free he'll be expecting a signing on fee which would be similar to a transfer fee the club would have to have paid.
I personally think if Rooney isn't going to renew his contract (which I believe is unlikely) we should try to dangle a first refusal if that's what it takes to get Mata now. He'd be the kind of player that would get us into the top four this year and he's still only 25. A front three behind RVP of Mata, Nani and Januzaj would be arguably as devastating as our current options in my opinion.
We don't really have a choice. It's would be irresponsible to let him leave on a free and he will only have 12 months left in the Summer. Then he can leave and join whoever he wants. If this Summer Rooney refuses to sign a contract and only wants to sign for Chelsea then the best we can do is get one of their top player's in return.
Mata would be the perfect tonic for us. But Mourinho wouldnt sell to us in a million years (and I cant blame him)
Aye. Mata, Rooney and Januzaj behind RvP sounds very tasty indeed. And the first step away from "The United way" of obsessive wingplay which seems a bit old fashion as of now.
Ed, flash the cash.
Ed, flash the cash.
I can't see us selling Mata to another English club for obvious reasons. United would be the least likely destination, among other things, due to the whole Rooney summer saga and unpleasantness surrounding it(when CFC implied United camp leaked the bullshit story of Mata being offered in a Rooney deal).
If Mata leaves, he'll probably be sold to PSG. They're interested, got plenty of money and can offer the biggest fee. Don't know if it happens in January, though.
If Mata leaves, he'll probably be sold to PSG. They're interested, got plenty of money and can offer the biggest fee. Don't know if it happens in January, though.
Jose's presser is in about twenty minutes. I'm sure they'll ask him about it.
Based on what?
Rooney has been great so far this year - but the question marks over his long term fitness remain. I dont see City going hell for leather for him given the talent they have in their squad both upfront and behind the forward.
Chelsea seemed to want him in the summer - possibly because they thought they could get him on the cheap in terms of a transfer fee. Will they want him next summer, or be willing to make him their highest paid player by a sizeable margin? I'm not sure.
I bet Rooney thought every top club in Europe would be in for him when he started agitiating, and it wasnt the case. Infact only Chelsea really seemed to bother, and that was when the other "bigger names" moved elsewhere. Clubs might take a punt if his contract's up but that's a way off and plenty can happen with form or injuries between then and now. A long, expensive contract from a club then would be risky. I dont think he'll get what he thinks he's worth to be honest.
I see him signing a new contract at United - depending on what the club are planning long term. It wouldnt be the first time a key player was moved on because the club thought it was the right thing to do.
Why would they not, he has been absolutely outstanding. They would have walked the league if they had Rooney up front in this form, its up there with the best form of his career.
Personally I think he'd be a fantastic signing for us. He would give the whole team a lift, much like Ozil to Arsenal did. Obviously Kagawa has failed with us but I think Mata is a different player to him and would be able to influence our games a hell of a lot more than Kagawa has done so far. Moyes probably has some idea over whether Rooney will be signing a new contract or not as well, and if not then Mata would be perfect. I know we need a CM and a left back more but Valencia/Nani/Young/Kagawa have all been really poor for a long time.
No chance of him being sold to us surely
Wenger showed last summer why you don't sell a top player to your rivals. There's no way Mourinho's going to entertain Mata being sold to Utd. He has way too much of an ego to do that.
I think his ego is actually the one chance we have at getting Mata. I very much don't believe it will happen, but there's a small chance.
Mourinho is confident that we aren't in the title race this season - he'd love to be able to point out that they won the league despite selling Mata to a rival. He'd also love to be able to laud it over us in the summer when they inevitably come back for Rooney. Suggesting that it's perhaps small time or cowardice to not to sell to a rival (like he said last summer), but with his sale of Mata able to back it up.
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