You wouldnt let us have Rooney for the same reason, as if we are going to sell a direct rival Mata!
Mata | Mourinho says it's just a Mata of time
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Stop being so petty. Just give us all of your best players and like it.
We gave you Veron. Respect the old times! You can have Anderson, Buttner and Young in addition.
That isn't true, even when Mata played on left he interchanged with Silva in a fluid system and after Silva left for City he came inside more often. Not that this is even the point anyway, the fact Mata played second fiddle to Silva doesn't make left wing his best role - in the same way Kagawa playing second fiddle to Rooney doesn't make left wing his best role, or Silva being put to the left for Aguero. This happens at a lot of top clubs.
It also doesn't change what has actually happened since he has moved to Chelsea, in which there has been a significant improvement when he is played centrally compared with his performances out on the left.
And no Silva was not always the central figure at Valencia - he has played on the left frequently, for example when Villa was paired with Morientes. So like Mata, Silva has played both left wing and centrally for Valencia and looked better in the middle.
We will never get him for the same reason you never got Rooney, guess a swap deal might make it happen but I don't think either player would be happy at their new club.
Given current situation, I guess Mata would be happy to go to any other club(big club of course) provided he gets chance to play and get into World cup squad. Same is not true about Rooney though. After the turbulent summer, he, on personal level, looks happy here. Only worrying thnig about us is missing out on CL, which will make him want to leave in summer.
Valencia+20m....sealed!
I'd be very tempted, though I know Hernandez would score shitloads for you.
He is really what we need, and could be a cheaper option if Falcao or any of the others dont materialise. Im sure Mata would tempt United out since you are well stocked in that area anyway.
We create chances for fun with that mouthwatering attacking midfield but our strikers are nearly men and nothing seems to just click with the hitting the back of the net at times. Hernandez would be that deadly finisher.
It could be win-win for both parties. Short-term, we're not rivals as we're not in the the title race this season and signing a finisher like Hernandez could give you the edge ahead of the City and Arsenal. It will never happen in January and I doubt we would sell Hernandez to you at any time, but, all sentiment aside as I love Chicharito, this would be pretty good business for both United and Chelsea IMHO.
Although it is very unlikely he will join us but one thing for sure he will create more chances that Valencia & Young.
He would want to be one of the best paid players at the club. Our squad is rammed full, all on good wages, it just wouldn't make sense unless we offloaded a few players. There doesn't seem to be many clubs come knocking for Anderson and Co, so this just won't happen.
For me, not the player we need right now....we are in deep shit in at least two other positions.
Saying that, if he was to come....
For me, not the player we need right now....we are in deep shit in at least two other positions.
Saying that, if he was to come....
You're not setting the bar very high though!
I'd love him here, he'd be great for us, but I doubt it'll happen.
You're not setting the bar very high though!
I'd love him here, he'd be great for us, but I doubt it'll happen.
Just goes to show the mediocrity of our wingers...saddening!
If mourinho has said he can go, Why would he be worried about him joining us?
I wouldn't worry about it anyway, as we'll send in woodward, three imposters and £25 Tesco gift card and come away empty handed
I wouldn't worry about it anyway, as we'll send in woodward, three imposters and £25 Tesco gift card and come away empty handed
The only problem I can see with Mata is where we'd play him. You can play him as a 10 but you'd probably push Rooney out to the left, and with how he's played this season you can't really do that. You could play Mata left and let him drift inside but with the way Evra bombs on we'd have absolutely zero cover at left back, and we're exposed enough as it is. Alternatively you could play Welbeck left but then you'd have to leave Mata, Rooney or van Persie out.
Having said that, if he's available we should be in for him. Wages and fee shouldn't be an issue. It'd be such a massive boost to the side.
Having said that, if he's available we should be in for him. Wages and fee shouldn't be an issue. It'd be such a massive boost to the side.
The situation wasn't that dire this summer, fair to say it's gotten worrying these past few months. Of course it was never going to be easy, but it's been worse than what I had envisaged.
Quantity wise we've got a lot of players in the ST/AM/winger positions but most of them are just not pulling their weight for a variety reasons.
Moyes played with tucked in wingers at Everton... I don't think he fancies wingers as much as Fergie does - it's just that he is playing the hand he has been dealt with (which is a squad with quite a few wingers).
I don't completely buy the argument Moyes is 'backward' or whatever - it's clear we were chasing Fabregas/Thiago (though the way we went about it was stupid) so at least we are looking at the right type/level of players.
Beggars can't be choosers.. and having Mata in our current predicament would be a massive lift to the team no question about it.
Get it done Moyes!!
I'd rather us go all out for a genuine, out and out central-midfield player personally. Sort that out and everything else will fall into place, but it needs to be sorted before we look at anything else. We have enough attacking midfield players, number 10's, or whatever else anyway. Problem is, they spend the majority of their time covering for the midfield.
Haven't you seen the table? We're not direct rivals any more anyway.
How can you play second fiddle but be more productive than the guy in your spot? When Silva left he still opporated on the left. He's crossing was a key feature to that Valencia team. Ask Banega lover boy Ekeke. He kept telling us Mata was better than Silva in his eyes. The point i was making though wasnt that he isn't a central player but that he is a creative player that can opporate on the wing(inside forward). We could do with one of them.. Our current one doesn't know how to influence games from that position.
Swap for Rooney or GTFO.
Thats true but yet we can have over 70% possession over Spurs and still not carve them open in the first half. I wouldn't say we have a number 10 of Mata's quality and don't see why going for him should disrupt buying a centre midfielder.
Why, oh why, do we fall into this trap every time a player we simply do not require at this moment in time becomes available? It was the same with Ozil a few months back. Football Manager has a lot to answer for, I suspect.
The problems in our squad go far, far beyond obtaining somebody that floats around in an attacking midfield role who neglects to do their defensive duties adequately, namely central midfield and our full-back positions.
The problems in our squad go far, far beyond obtaining somebody that floats around in an attacking midfield role who neglects to do their defensive duties adequately, namely central midfield and our full-back positions.
Arsenal didnt really need Ozil. Worked out okay for them. We need about 5 players though. So i don't get how one affects the others??
The transfer muppets love a big name that's why. It's odd because Football Manager should teach them how to construct squads properly and therefore they should be able to evaluate the squads faults better. What we really need are more players in the 25-28 bracket who have European/International experience and are natural leaders. I keep saying it, but Matuidi, Cabaye and/or Rakitic would solve so many of our headaches.
Mata is a luxury purchase that no club in the premier league will get as Chelsea don't need money and therefore can afford to sell abroad. He's either going back to Spain or learning French and joining PSG. I'm leaning on PSG, which would make them pretty terrifying.
Ozil has been shite since the end of September for Arsenal. Utter shite.
The likes of Ramsey, Mertesacker, Koscielny, Sagna and Giroud have all been far, far better. The Ozil signing itself may have been a galvanising factor for their squad, but he himself has been a let-down.
Swap for Kagawa 
That's just rubbish -try watching the whole games not just highlights.
Dont agree that he's been "shite" - but he's not been the difference for them.
A galvinising factor for sure, and a very good player - but I dont see him dominating games nor being the man who drags them back into games when things arent going well.
Always enjoyed watching him for Madrid but he was a good player in a good side and its the same at Arsenal. The criticisms of him lacking stamina or a big game personality muight be harsh but so far there seems to be a bit of truth there.
I dont see where anyone is suggesting that this signing would have us rocketing up the league or solve all the various problems we have.
He is a very good player, for me better than what we have. We need to sign some better players - in a number opf positions. He wouldnt be a bad addition.
If we signed Mata in January and nobody else, do you think we'd improve sufficiently to usurp Spurs, Everton, Liverpool and possibly Chelsea? I personally don't, but if we strengthened our central midfield sufficiently and (at a minimum) signed good left-back cover (or better, a starter), we'd be well on our way to doing so.
Yeah, Chelsea are totally going to sell Mata to Manchester United.
This is the price Mata pays for being a Rafa Benitez loyalist.
No - but I dont see the relevance. Other areas need to be addressed either now or in January. If we sign Mata are we not allowed to sign anyone else?
We need to stregthen in Central Midfield and at left back in my opinion. But we are also chronically short or attacking options and creativity in the final third. A player like Mata may go someway towards addressing that.
Bottom line, he is a very good player who is available for transfer. Probably one of a few really top class players available in January. Chelsea may not want to sell to a rival, but unless you ask you dont know.
Yeah, Arsenal are totally going to sell Van Persie to Manchester United.
Yeah, Liverpool are totally going to sell Torres to Chelsea.
Situations are very different. Neither Liverpool or Arsenal have Abramovich, a man who can shrug off 20m as a mere annoyance. There is no way Chelsea will sell us Mata, not a chance. Bit odd i'm even having to explain this...
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